cannabineer
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DIY-HP-LED
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72 virgins too, but you need to be Muslim. Russians get a bag of potatoes, maybe a sheep.
DIY-HP-LED
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Almost all this shit was bought to use against Russia, see how much just defending ourselves from these assholes costs, for all these decades? Now is the chance to break Russian military power, use up all their irreplaceable weapons and army they have and break their economy. They will be surrounded eventually by well armed peer nations, former Soviet republics who will be NATO allies and even proxies, countries like Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia and Kazakhstan.
doublejj
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replace 500 of those with Abrams and send the leopards to Ukraine...
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm pleasantly surprised, considering their horrible leader.
good to know there are decent people out there despite having horrible leaders...
how many russian units are fighting russians in Ukraine?
Roger A. Shrubber
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72 virgins? who the fuck wants that?
give me a couple of good experienced sluts and i'll be happy.
cannabineer
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DIY-HP-LED
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America should consider a more flexible lighter tank, one that allies can use more easily for forward fighting. Abrams are very complicated and heavy, good for defensive fighting in Europe where the bridges and infrastructure can support the 70 ton behemoth. Leopards are a good choice for Ukraine and can be more easily maintained, transported and are easier on bridges, they don't need much to take on a T72 or T62 and the Bradley's are tank killers with tows. The biggest problem the Ukrainians have is logistical since they have an immense variety of equipment and systems. The troops are not an issue, once they train on a system they are with it for the duration or destruction, or it wears out.
cannabineer
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Tanks are going the way of battleships. Naval aviation killed those.
We have smart artillery being demoed for the first time. The pendulum has swung away from heavy armor and a big gun toward, like, quads with manpads or Javelins. Light, fast, stealthy. I could be wrong, but main battle tanks are experiencing a glorious sunset as frontline weapons. They might still be what the doctor ordered for securing freshly-taken territory behind the guns*-and-recon drones line.
*cep of 1 meter!
DIY-HP-LED
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Sounds like they want the honor of kicking the shit out of the Russians and then kicking them out of their country, to themselves. They can say they beat the Russians themselves when properly armed and prepared, it will do a lot for national confidence, the war will build and transform the nation like no other force can.
It will be an even harder blow for the Russians when little Ukraine beats the living shit out of them and ruins them for a generation. The are not fighting NATO, but they are facing NATO weapons now, replacing the soviet ones they used until recently and still are in many cases. It will be harder still to bear when Ukraine has post war prosperity fueled by their money, favorable EU trade policies and them being displaced by Ukraine are Europe's energy supplier, taking their market share. All this while they live like shit for a decade or more with a broken economy, no matter what happens politically in Moscow, the damage has been done.
It will be an even harder blow for the Russians when little Ukraine beats the living shit out of them and ruins them for a generation. The are not fighting NATO, but they are facing NATO weapons now, replacing the soviet ones they used until recently and still are in many cases. It will be harder still to bear when Ukraine has post war prosperity fueled by their money, favorable EU trade policies and them being displaced by Ukraine are Europe's energy supplier, taking their market share. All this while they live like shit for a decade or more with a broken economy, no matter what happens politically in Moscow, the damage has been done.
DIY-HP-LED
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The experts seem to think they are of value in Ukraine, if used properly with infantry for offensive operations. Tethered drones might give tanks much improved vision and other innovations are possible. However I think the trend will be towards lighter versions that are more flexible, no armor can defend against Javelin type weapons or 155mm artillary or other precision ordinance. Small arms and 25 or 30 mm protection I would think. This war will be analyzed and studied for decades and the performance of the various weapons assessed, it is a data rich conflict.
cannabineer
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The experts were drawing plans for bigger battleships until the war in the Pacific put paid to them!
DIY-HP-LED
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There are military theorists and planners who want to move towards "de- platforming" as much as possible, a trend popular with some in the US marines. I believe they are ditching their tanks?
DIY-HP-LED
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cannabineer
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I don’t know. Battleships were good at One Thing. That might not be the case for tanks.
DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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The idea is basically the same as with battleships, you don't need the big platform for guns when missiles will do the job fired from a gloried speed boat, drone or plane. The same idea applies to infantry with stingers and Javelins and perhaps drones for squad level air support and recon. Miniaturization of electronics and precision might make it possible, a lot of things can take out a tank these days from Javelins to Bradley's to halftones and Hummers with TOWs. You don't even need warthog from the air anymore, cheap commercial drones are dropping modified old soviet antitank grenades on them from above and taking out lots of tanks in Ukraine for dirt cheap. Increasingly civilian equipment can be weaponized, hence the plague of Iranian drones with the electronics being so ubiquitous it is difficult to sanction them.
DIY-HP-LED
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Ukraine is on the edge of this cold front and freezing in the north before the south near the sea. It is hard to find Ukraine on this map, but you can see it. Cold weather is the best predictor of activity and large offensive operations.
Roger A. Shrubber
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Karma takes whatever form it needs to, to re-establish balance. expect to see more shit like this as the Karmic bill comes due for putin
DIY-HP-LED
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