Climate in the 21st Century

[PJ Diaz]

well, damn.

Not sure how far this is from you, but..

The Oasis at Death Valley Offers Free Electric Vehicle Charging - Death Valley National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

 

[cannabineer]

Not sure how far this is from you, but..

The Oasis at Death Valley Offers Free Electric Vehicle Charging - Death Valley National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

www.nps.gov

157 mi

 

[PJ Diaz]

How are you paying 8c a kWh? My rates start at 30, and I’m anticipating another hike.

Also I do have a special rate plan from PG&E as an EV owner. This is what their EV2 plan looks like (EV1 was better, but it got discontinued):

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Also I do have a special rate plan from PG&E as an EV owner. This is what their EV2 plan looks like (EV1 was better, but it got discontinued):

Solar panel prices are dropping like a rock so expect places like CA to be installing a lot of them and that should drive down daytime prices even lower. I hear the sun does shine out there from time to time, though not lately...

 

[PJ Diaz]

Solar panel prices are dropping like a rock so expect places like CA to be installing a lot of them and that should drive down daytime prices even lower. I hear the sun does shine out there from time to time, though not lately...

Yeah, but California also just changed the rules so people who install solar now, only get paid around 25% of what they used to get for selling their power back to the grid. I think at this point, most people who would have installed solar, are now waiting for a better deal.

California’s residential solar rules overhauled after highly charged debate

Unanimous vote means homeowners get smaller payments from utilities, which solar companies say will slow construction of new rooftop solar projects.

calmatters.org

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Yeah, but California also just changed the rules so people who install solar now, only get paid around 25% of what they used to get for selling their power back to the grid. I think at this point, most people who would have installed solar, are now waiting for a better deal.

California’s residential solar rules overhauled after highly charged debate

Unanimous vote means homeowners get smaller payments from utilities, which solar companies say will slow construction of new rooftop solar projects.

calmatters.org

Uncle Sam is subsidizing too and cheap home battery banks at home can make them more independent if they use wind or solar. It could make sense for charging the EV during peak hours to do it from a battery bank using solar and off peak power to get the full 12 or 14 hours of charging time cheaply. We will see, much depends on the development and scale of production of cheap sodium based batteries and future ones promise thousands of charging cycles. Most cheap EVs will use them I figure and so will home battery banks. Cheapest rates go to those with both solar and battery storage to help with peak loads on a smart green new grid, or just go solo, if ya can.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Yeah, but California also just changed the rules so people who install solar now, only get paid around 25% of what they used to get for selling their power back to the grid. I think at this point, most people who would have installed solar, are now waiting for a better deal.

California’s residential solar rules overhauled after highly charged debate

Unanimous vote means homeowners get smaller payments from utilities, which solar companies say will slow construction of new rooftop solar projects.

calmatters.org

It won't stop commercial operations, cheap panels, government subsidies plus desert land will make it feasible and energy storage can make it work with no peak rates.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Uncle Sam is subsidizing too and cheap home battery banks at home can make them more independent if they use wind or solar. It could make sense for charging the EV during peak hours to do it from a battery bank using solar and off peak power to get the full 12 or 14 hours of charging time cheaply. We will see, much depends on the development and scale of production of cheap sodium based batteries and future ones promise thousands of charging cycles. Most cheap EVs will use them I figure and so will home battery banks. Cheapest rates go to those with both solar and battery storage to help with peak loads on a smart green new grid, or just go solo, if ya can.

The main reason (aside from the cost) that I hadn't put solar on my roof yet was because my roof was old. I just put a new roof on a couple of months ago (patting myself on the back over here, for being proactive before the current storms came through). Once the subsidies start to flow strongly, I'll seriously consider adding solar. But I've also been thinking about selling this house and moving in the next 5 to 7 years, so not sure how much I want to invest, but then again it would substantially add to the resale value of my home. I've also been thinking about a solar carport. I see this as a great market for a new business to break into. I'm thinking that someone could put together a pretty cheap solar carport kit which includes five 400w panels, which connect to a level one charger, which could automatically vary it's output depending on how strong the solar activity is. That way you wouldn't necessarily need 1600watts to charge, if your charging system was automatically variable. Someone could take my idea and make some bucks.

 

[PJ Diaz]

It won't stop commercial operations, cheap panels, government subsidies plus desert land will make it feasible and energy storage can make it work with no peak rates.

No, but it will stop a lot of home owners.

 

[cannabineer]

Solar panel prices are dropping like a rock so expect places like CA to be installing a lot of them and that should drive down daytime prices even lower. I hear the sun does shine out there from time to time, though not lately...

I’m still seeing the panels at $3-5 per watt. Where are these cheap panels?

 

[injinji]

you missed a big one: energy consumption per distance. There is a physical limit to what can be drawn from a renter’s garage socket. The car must do the day’s mission on that amount. Utilities charge per kWh, not per mile. Which is why I find the new “no bed, no tow” electric pickups to be a cynical marketing exercise.

Yea, I'm getting to the age where my next truck might be my last one. I'm going with the small Toyota hybrid pickup. It should be out later this year. My '13 Camry only has 75K on it, so it will be a while before I need a car. Plus the wife's Prius has really low miles.

 

[cannabineer]

KW/HR is a measure of battery energy capacity and small EVs often get over 4 miles per KW/HR
The figure was for commuting, that means both ways for most people.
They used to be and were only switched on for about 3 months at work during the coldest parts of the year, The point being it is possible to put 120 volt charging anywhere and technology could even use your car ID to automatically charge for energy, at work or anywhere you plug in at that power level.

Your circumstances are different than most people, so you must do what fits your lifestyle and economic needs the best, as will most people. EV's won't sell if people don't see an advantage to owning one and home charging would be on along with cheap power rates!

no. You dropped the sign on the exponent.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

no. You dropped the sign on the exponent.

ok

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

no. You dropped the sign on the exponent.

kWh (kilowatt hour) is a unit of energy and is used when talking about electric car battery capacity and the 'amount' of energy put into the battery from the charger, or taken out of the battery by use. As far as I know a 120V charger can put out about a kW per hour into an EV, maybe a bit more, when efficiency of the charger and other losses are taken into account. If it is drawing 1200 watts AC from the receptacle.

How many miles/kms various EV's get per kWh, depends mostly on mass and aerodynamics.

 

[cannabineer]

kWh (kilowatt hour) is a unit of energy and is used when talking about electric car battery capacity and the 'amount' of energy put into the battery from the charger, or taken out of the battery by use. As far as I know a 120V charger can put out about a kW per hour into an EV, maybe a bit more, when efficiency of the charger and other losses are taken into account. If it is drawing 1200 watts AC from the receptacle.

How many miles/kms various EV's get per kWh, depends mostly on mass and aerodynamics.

that is more palatable than kW/hr

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

that is more palatable than kW/hr

my bad

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

what is a kW/hr?
and those 50 mi are each way.
There are no “free” outlets here. You telling me that those block heater outlets are unmetered?

when i lived in Mn, the apartments that had those outlets in the parking lot were either metered to the apartments, or they added them into the rent, usually those places were $50 to $100 a month more than those without them, for the same size apartment...you have to run a block heater for a long time to use 50 bucks worth of juice

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

when i lived in Mn, the apartments that had those outlets in the parking lot were either metered to the apartments, or they added them into the rent, usually those places were $50 to $100 a month more than those without them, for the same size apartment...you have to run a block heater for a long time to use 50 bucks worth of juice

Many people who used them at home used a timer to come on an hour before you started it and some used a small interior heater. Here in the east a block heater is rare, out west most dealers install them before sale. You will see laws change around apartments with parking providing charging. Most people who live in an apartment aren't that far from work in many cases, houses tend to be further out from the city center and involve freeway driving etc. The average American commute is less than 50 miles a day round trip, easily topped up overnight from a 120 volt charger for a compact car or subcompact car.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Electric Vehicle batteries in 2023 will be 95% CHEAPER than 2008

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Electric Vehicle batteries in 2023 will be 95% CHEAPER than 2008

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

There are a few big players in the sodium battery business and this UK company is a leading contender and partners with some big players. They appear to have a superior technology to CATL from China so far but the race is on for dirt cheap sodium ion batteries with products being introduced this year on a mass scale.

THIS UK BASED SODIUM BATTERY THREATENS TO CHANGE THE EV INDUSTRY FOREVER!!