Pandemic 2020

[CANON_Grow]

This makes the most sense to me, the virus simply mutates and the more successful mutations thrive while the others die off. All it will take is for one unlucky break for this to become as contagious as Omicron and as deadly as MERS. They should have saved the 'Kraken' name for when that happens.

"It is important to point out, though, that there is no intelligence behind evolution, nor are viruses capable of thought. They are mere bundles of genetic instructions which call for their own duplication, a process that, like typing in a handwritten letter, lends itself to typos, i.e. mutations. It is thus hazardous to think of any virus as having a will to survive and of thus wanting for its host to cling to life long enough to help spread the little bugger. The avirulence theory beguiles our desire to anthropomorphize the billions and billions of viruses on our planet."

Do Bad Viruses Always Become Good Guys in the End?

In our social media age, talk of virulence has gone viral, with most of us atwitter about the course the new coronavirus is taking. As novel variants move up the ladder of concern, we are left asking the same questions: is this one more transmissible? is it more dangerous to us? will our...

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[DIY-HP-LED]

This makes the most sense to me, the virus simply mutates and the more successful mutations thrive while the others die off. All it will take is for one unlucky break for this to become as contagious as Omicron and as deadly as MERS. They should have saved the 'Kraken' name for when that happens.

"It is important to point out, though, that there is no intelligence behind evolution, nor are viruses capable of thought. They are mere bundles of genetic instructions which call for their own duplication, a process that, like typing in a handwritten letter, lends itself to typos, i.e. mutations. It is thus hazardous to think of any virus as having a will to survive and of thus wanting for its host to cling to life long enough to help spread the little bugger. The avirulence theory beguiles our desire to anthropomorphize the billions and billions of viruses on our planet."

Do Bad Viruses Always Become Good Guys in the End?

In our social media age, talk of virulence has gone viral, with most of us atwitter about the course the new coronavirus is taking. As novel variants move up the ladder of concern, we are left asking the same questions: is this one more transmissible? is it more dangerous to us? will our...

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Which is why even though it isn't in the news much, there is still a lot of research being done on covid, vaccines, treatments and antibodies and a lot of money being thrown at it by a lot of countries. There are several promising vaccine candidates that don't deal with the spike proteins or do it at a basic level and make genetic escape difficult or impossible. Some projects promise a vaccine that works against all coronaviruses, including those that cause the common cold. Everybody agrees this is a major ongoing threat with devastating economic impacts too, so money spent on research is seen as more of an investment by more governments now. The struggle continues, we won some, we lost some, but are gaining all the time.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Association between vitamin D supplementation and COVID-19 infection and mortality - Scientific Reports

Vitamin D deficiency has long been associated with reduced immune function that can lead to viral infection. Several studies have shown that Vitamin D deficiency is associated with increases the risk of infection with COVID-19. However, it is unknown if treatment with Vitamin D can reduce the...

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[DIY-HP-LED]

Association between vitamin D supplementation and COVID-19 infection and mortality - Scientific Reports

Vitamin D deficiency has long been associated with reduced immune function that can lead to viral infection. Several studies have shown that Vitamin D deficiency is associated with increases the risk of infection with COVID-19. However, it is unknown if treatment with Vitamin D can reduce the...

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Work on vitamin D and covid has been all over the map, from good studies showing no effect at all to others showing benefit. I guess it depends on the quality of the study and size. I supplement with vitamin D, but not to excess, it can't hurt and costs nothing. Sooner or later someone will look at this with a metastudy, a study of studies and pick out the good ones from the bad.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Work on vitamin D and covid has been all over the map, from good studies showing no effect at all to others showing benefit. I guess it depends on the quality of the study and size. I supplement with vitamin D, but not to excess, it can't hurt and costs nothing. Sooner or later someone will look at this with a metastudy, a study of studies and pick out the good ones from the bad.

This was addressed in the first line of the abstract, luckily this particular study had a very robust sample size to work with:

"Vitamin D deficiency has long been associated with reduced immune function that can lead to viral infection. Several studies have shown that Vitamin D deficiency is associated with increases the risk of infection with COVID-19. However, it is unknown if treatment with Vitamin D can reduce the associated risk of COVID-19 infection, which is the focus of this study. "

 

[Sativied]

What do people in winter, poc, people wearing veils and eldery in NL have in common? 2 things, a vitamin D deficiency and are overrepresented on ICU (75-100%). The correlation is almost as strong as feeling drops and rainy weather, but it hasn’t led to a medical guideline to treat covid with vitamin D yet. Doesn’t mean it’s not done for those with a deficiency.

There are already plenty of reasons to make sure the level doesn’t drop too low in winter or for those who don’t create enough in sunlight all year. Those groups (same as mentioned above, specifically women over 50 and men over 70, pregnant women, poc, and people wearing veils) can get it on prescription in NL. Enough reason for the government in their endless wisdom to decide it’s no longer covered by basic health insurance since jan 1st 2023.

 

[CANON_Grow]

What do people in winter, poc, people wearing veils and eldery in NL have in common? 2 things, a vitamin D deficiency and are overrepresented on ICU (75-100%). The correlation is almost as strong as feeling drops and rainy weather, but it hasn’t led to a medical guideline to treat covid with vitamin D yet. Doesn’t mean it’s not done for those with a deficiency.

There are already plenty of reasons to make sure the level doesn’t drop too low in winter or for those who don’t create enough in sunlight all year. Those groups (same as mentioned above, specifically women over 50 and men over 70, pregnant women, poc, and people wearing veils) can get it on prescription in NL. Enough reason for the government in their endless wisdom to decide it’s no longer covered by basic health insurance since jan 1st 2023.

Anyone that is deficient in vitamin D should do what is necessary to get it resolved, but it's important to note that correlation ≠ causation. There is also reverse causation, meaning it's possible that the reasons for people being in the ICU (age, physical fitness, other comorbidities) could be the cause of vitamin D deficiency. Vitamin D was getting some really good hype for a few different ailments(heart disease, cancer prevention), but did not get proven when randomized trials were done.

I personally take vitamin D as I believe it helps when sunlight is lacking, so I'm not against vitamin D. Medical guidelines need to be very cautious, and vitamin D has not proven to treat or prevent covid in at least some previously done randomized trials.

Effect of a test-and-treat approach to vitamin D supplementation on risk of all cause acute respiratory tract infection and covid-19: phase 3 randomised controlled trial (CORONAVIT)

Objective To determine the effect of population level implementation of a test-and-treat approach to correction of suboptimal vitamin D status (25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D) <75 nmol/L) on risk of all cause acute respiratory tract infection and covid 19. Design Phase 3 open label randomised...

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Prevention of covid-19 and other acute respiratory infections with cod liver oil supplementation, a low dose vitamin D supplement: quadruple blinded, randomised placebo controlled trial

Objective To determine if daily supplementation with cod liver oil, a low dose vitamin D supplement, in winter, prevents SARS-CoV-2 infection, serious covid-19, or other acute respiratory infections in adults in Norway. Design Quadruple blinded, randomised placebo controlled trial. Setting...

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[CunningCanuk]

Anyone that is deficient in vitamin D should do what is necessary to get it resolved, but it's important to note that correlation ≠ causation. There is also reverse causation, meaning it's possible that the reasons for people being in the ICU (age, physical fitness, other comorbidities) could be the cause of vitamin D deficiency. Vitamin D was getting some really good hype for a few different ailments(heart disease, cancer prevention), but did not get proven when randomized trials were done.

I personally take vitamin D as I believe it helps when sunlight is lacking, so I'm not against vitamin D. Medical guidelines need to be very cautious, and vitamin D has not proven to treat or prevent covid in at least some previously done randomized trials.

Effect of a test-and-treat approach to vitamin D supplementation on risk of all cause acute respiratory tract infection and covid-19: phase 3 randomised controlled trial (CORONAVIT)

Objective To determine the effect of population level implementation of a test-and-treat approach to correction of suboptimal vitamin D status (25-hydroxyvitamin D (25(OH)D) <75 nmol/L) on risk of all cause acute respiratory tract infection and covid 19. Design Phase 3 open label randomised...

www.bmj.com

Prevention of covid-19 and other acute respiratory infections with cod liver oil supplementation, a low dose vitamin D supplement: quadruple blinded, randomised placebo controlled trial

Objective To determine if daily supplementation with cod liver oil, a low dose vitamin D supplement, in winter, prevents SARS-CoV-2 infection, serious covid-19, or other acute respiratory infections in adults in Norway. Design Quadruple blinded, randomised placebo controlled trial. Setting...

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My wife and I take vitamin C,B and D every morning.

 

[CCGNZ]

The vaccines have saved millions of lives and while it doesn’t look like Covid is going away anytime soon, the vaccines protect most against serious illness.

5 shots here too and if it’s recommended by medical health professionals to get a 6th, I will.

In for a penny in for a pound,me to.

 

[CCGNZ]

A better vaccine is on the way that will cover all the bases, testing and clinical trials take most of the time. There are several approaches to this end underway now in various stages of development. Covid is a threat and could mutate into something even worse, more virulent and more contagious, though contagiousness wins Darwin's race. The virus has not just mutated away from vaccines, it has increased it ability to spread too over time and successive iterations. The latest strains evade both vaccines, antibodies and previous infections, but antiviral medications still work.

Masks still work and so do vaccines, since there are several strains around that it still works against, so does washing your hands and staying away from crowds and the sick.

I've been down w/that since day 1 bro,initially it was to protect my lady(breast cancer survivor),then I lost her to a stroke so I kept on top of things so I wouldn't bring potential death when visiting. I've always had a tough immune system myself so I can't say how I'd have dealt w/all this were there diff. circumstances. This whole thing has had me kind of do a 180 in dealing w/this as I remember the pre-pandemic days.I'd go to the gym,grab a pair of dumbells,then rub my eyes for instance without a care in the world,grab a door handle without a thought of whats on it. Now I look at the general public as potential mutants,get alarmed when I hear a cough,open doors w/my elbow,flush a public toilet w/my foot.Damn have times changed.

 

[CCGNZ]

I read

In for a penny in for a pound,me to.

I read yesterday of a variant now gaining a foothold on the east coast called Kraken,a Omicron offspring of course,ABB.1 I think it was,severity not believed to be any different but needs more study.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

My wife and I take vitamin C,B and D every morning.

i take one multivitamin every other day...if you look at the daily recommended requirements, they're all at least 100s of times more than you require...your body may be able to use more than the daily requirements, but not 100s of times more, that's just making your liver and kidneys work harder than they need to to get rid of the excess that isn't doing a damn thing for anyone.
here's a bottle of B6...

those are 500mg, the bottle we just finished was 2500mg, my old lady bought them...it said 20,000 times the daily requirement...
oh, by the way, i just went for a checkup recently...no deficiencies at all, and i eat a limited diet due to health issues.
normal people eating a normal diet don't even need the multi every other day, a couple a week would do for 99% of them.

 

[CCGNZ]

My wife and I take vitamin C,B and D every morning.

Cunning,could you hook me up w/a 6'4 235lb,mean ass defenseman,to keep guys from setting up shop in front of the goal and keep skill players from getting cheap shotted in the playoffs for the Bruins. A guy who inspires fear but can actually skate enough not to be a liability.

 

[Homegrown5257]

I've been down w/that since day 1 bro,initially it was to protect my lady(breast cancer survivor),then I lost her to a stroke so I kept on top of things so I wouldn't bring potential death when visiting. I've always had a tough immune system myself so I can't say how I'd have dealt w/all this were there diff. circumstances. This whole thing has had me kind of do a 180 in dealing w/this as I remember the pre-pandemic days.I'd go to the gym,grab a pair of dumbells,then rub my eyes for instance without a care in the world,grab a door handle without a thought of whats on it. Now I look at the general public as potential mutants,get alarmed when I hear a cough,open doors w/my elbow,flush a public toilet w/my foot.Damn have times changed.

Sorry about your wife. Breast cancer took my mom.
Some people are just nasty. I used to play a lot of poker in brick and mortar rooms and seen some of the nastiest shit ever doing so. On a couple of different occasions I’ve went to the rest room and see someone I’d have at my table come out of a stall from taking a dump and pass by the sink without a second thought. Excuse me we are all handling the same chips and cards and you didn’t wash your hands after taking a dump.
Personally I think cleats should be installed on the pull side of all public doors that aren’t automatic

 

[CCGNZ]

i take one multivitamin every other day...if you look at the daily recommended requirements, they're all at least 100s of times more than you require...your body may be able to use more than the daily requirements, but not 100s of times more, that's just making your liver and kidneys work harder than they need to to get rid of the excess that isn't doing a damn thing for anyone.
here's a bottle of B6...
View attachment 5250293
those are 500mg, the bottle we just finished was 2500mg, my old lady bought them...it said 20,000 times the daily requirement...
oh, by the way, i just went for a checkup recently...no deficiencies at all, and i eat a limited diet due to health issues.
normal people eating a normal diet don't even need the multi every other day, a couple a week would do for 99% of them.

Eat a lot of greens,put them in soup,(spinach,collard,turnip,kale)eat salad w/spring mix greens(red leaf lettuce,baby spinach and kale,raddichio,and arugala),these things a cancer fighters IMO

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Eat a lot of greens,put them in soup,(spinach,collard,turnip,kale)eat salad w/spring mix greens(red leaf lettuce,baby spinach and kale,raddichio,and arugala),these things a cancer fighters IMO

"limited diet"...i have crohn's, multiple allergies, and a hernia that keeps coming back...i live on yogurt and coffee mostly, with supplements to fill in the holes...my stomach doesn't tolerate much solid food anymore. i'm like a slightly healthier version of Jeff Goldblum in "The Fly"

 

[CCGNZ]

"limited diet"...i have crohn's, multiple allergies, and a hernia that keeps coming back...i live on yogurt and coffee mostly, with supplements to fill in the holes...my stomach doesn't tolerate much solid food anymore. i'm like a slightly healthier version of Jeff Goldblum in "The Fly"

Sorry bro,didn't know,that's a tough gig,wish you well.

 

[CCGNZ]

Cunning,could you hook me up w/a 6'4 235lb,mean ass defenseman,to keep guys from setting up shop in front of the goal and keep skill players from getting cheap shotted in the playoffs for the Bruins. A guy who inspires fear but can actually skate enough not to be a liability.

A Ken Danyko stay at home type combined w/a Bob Probert fistic prowess and mean streak.

 

[CunningCanuk]

i take one multivitamin every other day...if you look at the daily recommended requirements, they're all at least 100s of times more than you require...your body may be able to use more than the daily requirements, but not 100s of times more, that's just making your liver and kidneys work harder than they need to to get rid of the excess that isn't doing a damn thing for anyone.
here's a bottle of B6...
View attachment 5250293
those are 500mg, the bottle we just finished was 2500mg, my old lady bought them...it said 20,000 times the daily requirement...
oh, by the way, i just went for a checkup recently...no deficiencies at all, and i eat a limited diet due to health issues.
normal people eating a normal diet don't even need the multi every other day, a couple a week would do for 99% of them.

We are taking only the recommended quantities and yes, there is such a thing as too much of a good thing when it comes to vitamins.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Sorry bro,didn't know,that's a tough gig,wish you well.

Thanks for the thought, but i've been this way for over 30 years, i'm used to it.