More classified documents found at Biden house

HGCC

HGCC

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Skillcraft said:
The law I referenced was 2011-title18-partl-chapter 93-sec1924
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1924

Section A of what you are referring to is why there is a difference, its more clear cut than the ones i linked regarding doing something knowingly and with intent. Trump was very clear that he knowingly took them and planned to retain them, based on his own words. The other guys were like "woops, forgot to bring back the library book, here you go!"

That's really kinda it. There isn't much further discussion to be had. I don't think anything will happen to trump over it. However, trump clearly broke the law where the other guys clearly did not, based on the language of the law.

Do you agree or disagree?
 
HGCC

HGCC

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What would that prove or show? Gotta assume it was in the VP hiring packet, sounds like a blanket NDA you sign if you have whatever clearance levels.

Don't see how that would lead to "being done with it."
 
bam0813

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I dont either but it seems if these were lawfully possessed than it seems they have to be filled out
Showing theres nothing there there. I do think there is a process to go through to have them right? In the anology of Library books, shouldn’t the “librarians”or library have some involvement/responsibility here, libraries dont hunt you down for past due books but these aren’t exactly james and the giant peach
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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CANON_Grow said:
Maybe my wording could have been better, loss of employment instead of reprimand. If naming and shaming makes everyone feel better then maybe it's the right course of action as well.

Or... maybe the issue is with the system. If the Pres and VP both have the power to declassify anything, and it has been demonstrated that there is no strict procedure in doing that, did the "grand librarian" really fuck up, or is the system setup in a way that allowed this to happen? Maybe the "grand librarian" did demand they be returned, but we're told they were declassified.... Now what?

No better way of recruiting the best and brightest then to pay below private sector wages and have a public shaming hanging over their heads if the office of the Presidency doesn't follow protocol.
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What makes you think they are below private sector wages? They are good paying jobs with great benefits. I looked it up, and the lowest paid person at the National Archives makes just over $100k a year.

I think you point out the real problem though: lack of transparency within the government.

Take Freedom Of Information Act requests for example. Much of the time the government ignores FOIA requests, and people have to sue the government to comply with their own policy. Why?
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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PJ Diaz said:
What makes you think they are below private sector wages? They are good paying jobs with great benefits. I looked it up, and the lowest paid person at the National Archives makes just over $100k a year.

I think you point out the real problem though: lack of transparency within the government.

Take Freedom Of Information Act requests for example. Much of the time the government ignores FOIA requests, and people have to sue the government to comply with their own policy. Why?
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I’m sure it’s a conspiracy against conservatives per Gym Jordan
Lol
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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PJ Diaz said:
Take Freedom Of Information Act requests for example. Much of the time the government ignores FOIA requests, and people have to sue the government to comply with their own policy. Why?
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because fuck nut conspiracy theorist make so many requests no one could comply with them all...EVERY agency has to deal with it's own FOIA requests...some of those get less than 100 quest a year, some even in the single digits...some get thousands, tens of thousands, the top two, the department of defense gets around 75 thousand a year, and the department of homeland security got 170K request last year.
https://foiaproject.org/foia_requests/
If every conspiracy theorist on the planet didn't deluge them with horseshit request for info they won't even fucking understand, then perhaps they wouldn't take quite so long to respond to the serious requests.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
because fuck nut conspiracy theorist make so many requests no one could comply with them all...EVERY agency has to deal with it's own FOIA requests...some of those get less than 100 quest a year, some even in the single digits...some get thousands, tens of thousands, the top two, the department of defense gets around 75 thousand a year, and the department of homeland security got 170K request last year.
https://foiaproject.org/foia_requests/
If every conspiracy theorist on the planet didn't deluge them with horseshit request for info they won't even fucking understand, then perhaps they wouldn't take quite so long to respond to the serious requests.
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Gotcha, your assessment is that transparency is too expensive and as a country we simply can't afford it.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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PJ Diaz said:
Gotcha, your assessment is that transparency is too expensive and as a country we simply can't afford it.
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exactly as Budley said, they don't have enough people....
they got 175 thousand requests...that's 479 a day...if they have ten people working on those, that's still more than 47 a day, every day, 7 days a week, if you cut that back to 5 days a week, that's 673 request that would have to get processed every day. more than 67 separate request per each ten people working on those, or 8.75 requests processed per hour. they have to open the requests, read them, go find the associated files, and send them to the person making the request, which would mean if they took no breaks at all, they would have to process a request every 6.8 minutes. if you throw in lunch and a couple of ten minute breaks a day, that would drop it down to about 5.5 minutes per request.
some will be digital, some won't, and they'll have to go find physical files, copy them, and then mail them out...
so my assessment isn't that it is too expensive, it's that stupid asshats with no real use for the information are tying up the system and causing delays for those that actually have a constructive purpose behind their requests.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
exactly as Budley said, they don't have enough people....
they got 175 thousand requests...that's 479 a day...if they have ten people working on those, that's still more than 47 a day, every day, 7 days a week, if you cut that back to 5 days a week, that's 673 request that would have to get processed every day. more than 67 separate request per each ten people working on those, or 8.75 requests processed per hour. they have to open the requests, read them, go find the associated files, and send them to the person making the request, which would mean if they took no breaks at all, they would have to process a request every 6.8 minutes. if you throw in lunch and a couple of ten minute breaks a day, that would drop it down to about 5.5 minutes per request.
some will be digital, some won't, and they'll have to go find physical files, copy them, and then mail them out...
so my assessment isn't that it is too expensive, it's that stupid asshats with no real use for the information are tying up the system and causing delays for those that actually have a constructive purpose behind their requests.
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Pretty sure most “logical” people understood your assessment lol.
 
PJ Diaz

PJ Diaz

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Budley Doright said:
Perhaps he meant they don’t have the manpower, just sayin lol.
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Roger A. Shrubber said:
exactly as Budley said, they don't have enough people....
they got 175 thousand requests...that's 479 a day...if they have ten people working on those, that's still more than 47 a day, every day, 7 days a week, if you cut that back to 5 days a week, that's 673 request that would have to get processed every day. more than 67 separate request per each ten people working on those, or 8.75 requests processed per hour. they have to open the requests, read them, go find the associated files, and send them to the person making the request, which would mean if they took no breaks at all, they would have to process a request every 6.8 minutes. if you throw in lunch and a couple of ten minute breaks a day, that would drop it down to about 5.5 minutes per request.
some will be digital, some won't, and they'll have to go find physical files, copy them, and then mail them out...
so my assessment isn't that it is too expensive, it's that stupid asshats with no real use for the information are tying up the system and causing delays for those that actually have a constructive purpose behind their requests.
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Right. Manpower costs money. They could hire additional workers, but they'd rather spend the money on the military. Fuck transparency, it's too expensive.
 
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