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OldMedUser
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Still flat packs of 20 or 25. Miss my Camels. Got used to them when I was down in Oregon for 3 weeks many years ago and as I lived 3 miles from a border crossing in BC I'd scoot across every payday and stuff a couple cartons under the back seat in my Malibu. Got all sorts of cool Camel goodies with the Camel Bucks and they were less than half the price of Canadian cigs. On sale I could get a carton for $6 when ours were $35/ctn of 200.
We roll our own now to save money but a 50g pouch is now $47 with tax so almost a buck a gram. For our trip home yesterday I bought a 25 pack at a gas station, (the most expensive place to buy smokes), and it was $20.45 FFS! Damn near a buck a smoke and it's all sin taxes.
With the wife's heart and other conditions we're finally going to make a huge effort to quit. Will save over $400/mth. Stupid addiction.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I’ve finally seen the day when the one weed costs more than the other.Still flat packs of 20 or 25. Miss my Camels. Got used to them when I was down in Oregon for 3 weeks many years ago and as I lived 3 miles from a border crossing in BC I'd scoot across every payday and stuff a couple cartons under the back seat in my Malibu. Got all sorts of cool Camel goodies with the Camel Bucks and they were less than half the price of Canadian cigs. On sale I could get a carton for $6 when ours were $35/ctn of 200.
We roll our own now to save money but a 50g pouch is now $47 with tax so almost a buck a gram. For our trip home yesterday I bought a 25 pack at a gas station, (the most expensive place to buy smokes), and it was $20.45 FFS! Damn near a buck a smoke and it's all sin taxes.
With the wife's heart and other conditions we're finally going to make a huge effort to quit. Will save over $400/mth. Stupid addiction.
Roger A. Shrubber
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one will kill you...people seem to like things that will kill them.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Makes’em feel alive.
Greengrouch
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Greengrouch
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Fogdog
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da, komrade
Herb & Suds
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Da
Roger A. Shrubber
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blaming the administration for shit they had nothing to do with...nice...bet the republicans hadn't thought of that tactic...
Roger A. Shrubber
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why are you telling us shit about the bush administration? warning us about the evils of republicans? we already know...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
On the one hand, Biden was personally involved in the resolution.
On the other, the rail workers dug in hard at a uniquely harmful time.
Imo what needs to come of this is a hard look at the rail execs. They should not leave their labor with the belief that they have nothing to lose by going desperado.
Fogdog
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One of the hardest to kick. Good luck with that. Watching my dad go through kicking his habit as a kid ended any interest on my part. So, if it helps, your effort might make a life changing example of a little one.Still flat packs of 20 or 25. Miss my Camels. Got used to them when I was down in Oregon for 3 weeks many years ago and as I lived 3 miles from a border crossing in BC I'd scoot across every payday and stuff a couple cartons under the back seat in my Malibu. Got all sorts of cool Camel goodies with the Camel Bucks and they were less than half the price of Canadian cigs. On sale I could get a carton for $6 when ours were $35/ctn of 200.
We roll our own now to save money but a 50g pouch is now $47 with tax so almost a buck a gram. For our trip home yesterday I bought a 25 pack at a gas station, (the most expensive place to buy smokes), and it was $20.45 FFS! Damn near a buck a smoke and it's all sin taxes.
With the wife's heart and other conditions we're finally going to make a huge effort to quit. Will save over $400/mth. Stupid addiction.
Roger A. Shrubber
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Biden forced the hands of both sides.
The workers picked a shitty time that could have caused a lot more damage to the country, and they knew it.
The Railroad management are dirt bag assholes, who should treat their employees a lot better...
THE second the terms of the current agreement expires, The rail employees should DEMAND better conditions, and strike like hell if they don't get what they ask for. It would still hurt the country, but not anywhere near as badly as it would have when they first intended to, and they do deserve a lot better conditions. It would be a nice touch for Biden to be seen as publicly supporting them in their new negotiations, perhaps making a statement that they deserve better, now that the previous emergency is over.
CANON_Grow
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Biden did NOT force the hands of both sides, he literally handcuffed the unions from using the only leverage they have. Unless you think "flexibility for workers to take time off when they are hospitalized or to attend three routine doctor’s appointments a year without penalty." is forcing the Association of American Railroads hands?
I disagree about management being dirt bags, they were literally just doing their jobs. As of right now, they've won the negotiation, thanks to the Biden administration.
Joe is going to have to be really careful how he deals with unions moving forward. He had a lot of union money supporting him, and it will be very hard for quite a few union leaders to justify providing political donations from members dues unless Joe shows he isn't just all talk about fighting for employee rights. I think Biden would be better off not saying anything at all instead of a supporting statement. He can make a statement after he takes the handcuffs off, otherwise it's just spit in the face to those that feel they got snaked.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i get it, you support the unions.
that doesn't change the fact that while they had been dissatisfied for years, they picked a time to "negotiate" that would cause harm to the poor people, as well as the wealthy. that knocks them a few paces off of the moral high ground as far as i'm concerned.
Managements job is to make money for the shareholders of the company. If they decide to do that by over working their pool of employees, that knocks them right the fuck off of the hill...
At any other time, when the supply chain wasn't already in shambles, and inflation wasn't already rising insanely, I highly doubt the administration would have been involved at all.
So in your opinion, it's better for Biden to ignore the measures he was more or less forced to take, and hope they do too?
It would be an insult for him to make a sincere statement that he supports them, and only did what he did out of necessity?
It seems to me that ignoring the situation would be more insulting, but i'm socially inept, i'll take your word for that.
that doesn't change the fact that while they had been dissatisfied for years, they picked a time to "negotiate" that would cause harm to the poor people, as well as the wealthy. that knocks them a few paces off of the moral high ground as far as i'm concerned.
Managements job is to make money for the shareholders of the company. If they decide to do that by over working their pool of employees, that knocks them right the fuck off of the hill...
At any other time, when the supply chain wasn't already in shambles, and inflation wasn't already rising insanely, I highly doubt the administration would have been involved at all.
So in your opinion, it's better for Biden to ignore the measures he was more or less forced to take, and hope they do too?
It would be an insult for him to make a sincere statement that he supports them, and only did what he did out of necessity?
It seems to me that ignoring the situation would be more insulting, but i'm socially inept, i'll take your word for that.
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cannabineer
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If getting sick days is a dealbreaker, it speaks pretty badly of management.
Chunky Stool
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cannabineer
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missiles home on radar or infrared. Not much of either from a baggie full of angel fart.
CANON_Grow
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I support the right to negotiate a collective agreement that all parties agree to, and unfortunately that didn't happen in this scenario. There will never be a good time for job action, whether it's a strike or a lockout, as parties not involved will always be negatively affected, and the poor will always be hardest hit.
Management is already over working the employees by all accounts, they don't even deny that from what I have read. They could fire an employee if they got stuck in a hospital before the recent changes. Management doesn't give any fucks about the moral high ground, labour is nothing more than a tool to produce money from. That's capitalism baby, and that's why the market should set the price for labour and not forced by government intervention.
In my opinion, Biden making a statement that he supports the unions position without any action following his statement will only cause further resentment towards him and his administration. Wouldn't take much from him to force changes, maybe bring up the threat of a maximum number of hours a week the RR employee would be allowed to work,,, for the safety of the RR system overall.