can NOT successfully CLONE!(PICS) +rep for good way of cloning

[SayWord]

i have tried three attempts at cloning and all clones seem to die with in 1-2 days.

heres what i got

this clone dome with 1 t5 type lite. mylar is cuz i put them under 18/6 light and dont want lite from veg chamber to leak in. i cut at a 45 degree angle, dip clone in rooting liquid for 15-20 seconds, stick stem in this brown thing with a single hole in top (the hydro lady talked me into a bag of these) and then put it in clone dome. ive tried with water in the bottom tray, without water in the bottom tray, with lite on 24hours. NO CLONES SURVIVE. I have this thing on a heat pad too

i spray them multiple times per day to keep it moist in there. anyways i need to learn how to do this efficiently. please help if you know what you're doing. Thanks guys!

 

[Boneman]

Get rid of the mylar, nice sharp cuts. Cut the fan leaves in half and watch the temps. Looks like they whiltered from heat. Are you using plugs? Where are you putting the stems into?

 

[gangjababy]

you need a humidity dome, it looks like your light is too close and frying your plants too.

 

[Keenly]

go to home depot in the gardening section and pick up some rooting hormone

it was a powder at the one i went to yesterday

 

[Kushcrosser]

It looks like they areent gettin enough water. Your heat pad isnt roasting them is it?

 

[SayWord]

ok. u guys are thinkin theres too much heat. that would make sense. theyre on a heating pad WITH the florescent in the dome with them. cool i'll try to just put the dome under my cfls in my veg chamber then? maybe that'll work better. should i put water in the bottom tray or leave it dry??

 

[buggs bunny]

ok. u guys are thinkin theres too much heat. that would make sense. theyre on a heating pad WITH the florescent in the dome with them. cool i'll try to just put the dome under my cfls in my veg chamber then? maybe that'll work better. should i put water in the bottom tray or leave it dry??

id get rid of tht tray and i use styrofome cupps with sand and vermiculite in a humidity dome,gel root stuff ,just water the cups once with drain holes and keep lid on dome every day except for burping for clean air once a day,then after 4to 5 days re water real lightly and within three more days you have roots.

 

[Kushcrosser]

What kind of cubes are you using? oasis cubes? I just use a dome with a flat base that has grooves for water..and I just use flourescents..and try to keep the temps around 70

 

[SayWord]

i just went for attempt four. heres exactly what i did.

used the same dome witht he same heat pad. took that light out and put the whole dome under the cfls in my veg room. instead of using the cube things with the hole in the top i just used my regular roots organic soil in one of those indents in the tray. i'll give updates on him (im practicing my cloning with males till i get it right) as he dies or stays alive

 

[Busmike]

Cloning 101

Fill a glass (GLASS... NOT plastic) with tap water.

Take your cuttings (45 degree cut with at least 2 nodes above the cut)

Cut ALL leaves on the cutting in half.

Place in the water glass

Wait 2 days

Dip the cut end in your favorite cloning gel ( I like Rootech) and insert it in rockwool and place it under a MH light (I use 400W) on a 24/0 light schedule.

Grow as normal. The cutting may take a week to show new growth, but You'll know within a day if it's gonna make it. It'll wilt and shrivel up if it's dying (as you've seen).

I rarely loose a clone

 

[gangjababy]

i just went for attempt four. heres exactly what i did.

used the same dome witht he same heat pad. took that light out and put the whole dome under the cfls in my veg room. instead of using the cube things with the hole in the top i just used my regular roots organic soil in one of those indents in the tray. i'll give updates on him (im practicing my cloning with males till i get it right) as he dies or stays alive

Make sure the lights aren't too intense and the heat pad isn't too hot. I clone under 1 23 watt cfl 5 or so inches away and use no heating pad with a humidity dome and get roots withing 10 days. And make sure to use rooting hormone and cut the leaves of the clone in 1/2.

 

[SayWord]

to busmike:

ok, when u put it in the glass (not plastic)lol, u put it under 24hour lights correct?

is there something i can substitute for rockwool? soil or something cuz ive never used rockwool and have heard different things about it.

ur saying i dont need to use a dome or anything? or are u saying keep it under the dome throughout those steps?

thanks everyone. its hard to go perpetual if you cant take a clone

toganjababy:

how many clones do u put under that 1 23w cfl? and is rooting hormone different from the liquid dipping stuff im using?

 

[gangjababy]

you always need a humidity dome.
You just need to read the grow faq, top left it's all explained in there...

 

[SayWord]

been there done that. believe me ive done plenty of research on every part of my grow op. keeping clones alive is the only part giving me trouble.

 

[Busmike]

to busmike:

ok, when u put it in the glass (not plastic)lol, u put it under 24hour lights correct?

YES Actually, I put the water glass woth the cuttings on a shelf in my clone room. Not directly under the light, but it gets plenty

is there something i can substitute for rockwool? soil or something cuz ive never used rockwool and have heard different things about it.

Probably, I said rockwool because I grow Hydro in an Ebb and Flow system. The clones are also in E&F. My timers fill the trays for 15 minutes every 4 hours

ur saying i dont need to use a dome or anything? or are u saying keep it under the dome throughout those steps?

I don't use domes. The humidity of my clone room is 55 to 60 percent. Don't know if that's good or bad, but IT WORKS for me!

thanks everyone. its hard to go perpetual if you cant take a clone

toganjababy:

how many clones do u put under that 1 23w cfl? and is rooting hormone different from the liquid dipping stuff im using?

Man...

If you're serious about growing then get some serious lights!

.

 

[OregonMeds]

You need VERY LITTLE LIGHT the first 5 days of cloning, not too much heat, you need to spray many times a day with water and you need to fan them to get air in the dome when you spray.
It doesn't matter one bit if there are light leaks in veg, you can clone with light 24/7, doesn't matter as long as the light is not too hot or bright.

Ideal temps are in the 70-80 degree range. You don't need a heat mat unless your area is really kind of cold, and even still you need to be careful with it. The light alone that you are using is probably heating that up too much because you have the light sitting right on top of the plastic. Don't do that. Hang the light a couple inches above the plastic at minimum, probably 4" is better.



No water in the bottom of the tray, cubes or rapid rooters or whatever you are using need to be wet BUT NOT SOAKING. NEVER SITTING IN WATER

Shake excess water from cubes if they're dripping wet.

You don't need to ditch all the equipment you have, you just have to find the right balance. Maybe laying a bed of pearlite on the bottom of the tray to help keep the cubes from getting too moist.

Lastly don't fuck with the clones more than you need to. Don't be picking them up all the time just to look at them. Keep them moist but never drowing, give them enough air but don't dry them out, and enough light but not cooking them.

After 5 days in the dome with minimal light then no dome with minimal light for a day, then start moving the light down to where you can start some vegetation growing.

They don't need much light at all to root, it's when you are ready to grow more leaves that they need more light.

One last mistake people often make is putting cuttings into plugs that have holes that are too big for the stem. You need the plug sealed around the stem, if it isn't sealed it will almost never root. Stuff material in the hole to fill it after putting the cutting in there or just make a smaller hole to use instead of the pre-made one.

 

[gangjababy]

been there done that. believe me ive done plenty of research on every part of my grow op. keeping clones alive is the only part giving me trouble.

If you really did that then you'd already know to use a humidity dome.
With the one 23cfl, I clone 5 or so. Rooting hormone is rooting hormone it doesn't matter if it gel or powder.

 

[DivinePower]

Got a few bucks to blow? If so - go to a local store and find a rubbermaid bin - sterlite... whatever they carry. One of those 16+ gal things. I have two 18" or 24" (forget which) mounted to the underside of the lid. This will allow the whole thing to act as one big humidity tent and the lights provide a good amount of heat to keep it warm. Depending on the ambient temp in your room you may have to have the lid open and leave a gab for a little airflow. Or drill some holes, whatever you want to do.

Then follow the adivce you can find anywhere. There are a million ways to get clones going - but here's what I did and got 100% successs. (even with a cat chewin one of my damn clones! lol)

The previous night pH adjust yourself some rockwool cubes. (1")

Take your cutting and dip it in pH'd water. I added a little bit of AN Nirvana to the mix (like 1 ml to a glass of 8 oz's) for giggles. I left it there till I had everything else setup. Once I was ready to rock and roll - dip the cutting in the gel... stick the cutting in the rock wool. Pinched the gap closed around the cutting... stuck in in the bin with 24/0 lighting. Make sure you dont have a ton of leaves. If you do, cut them in half. I had one that the cat chewed the hell out of and it still survived. Give it warmth, humidity, and some care - and you'll be fine.

I didn't do anything fancy. I used a razor blade to take the cuttings that were cur on a 45 degree angle.

 

[SayWord]

Man...

If you're serious about growing then get some serious lights!

.

i got a 600 hps for the flower space. cfls just to veg

 

[SayWord]

You need VERY LITTLE LIGHT the first 5 days of cloning, not too much heat, you need to spray many times a day with water and you need to fan them to get air in the dome when you spray.
It doesn't matter one bit if there are light leaks in veg, you can clone with light 24/7, doesn't matter as long as the light is not too hot or bright.

Ideal temps are in the 70-80 degree range. You don't need a heat mat unless your area is really kind of cold, and even still you need to be careful with it. The light alone that you are using is probably heating that up too much because you have the light sitting right on top of the plastic. Don't do that. Hang the light a couple inches above the plastic at minimum, probably 4" is better.





No water in the bottom of the tray, cubes or rapid rooters or whatever you are using need to be wet BUT NOT SOAKING. NEVER SITTING IN WATER

Shake excess water from cubes if they're dripping wet.

You don't need to ditch all the equipment you have, you just have to find the right balance. Maybe laying a bed of pearlite on the bottom of the tray to help keep the cubes from getting too moist.

Lastly don't fuck with the clones more than you need to. Don't be picking them up all the time just to look at them. Keep them moist but never drowing, give them enough air but don't dry them out, and enough light but not cooking them.

After 5 days in the dome with minimal light then no dome with minimal light for a day, then start moving the light down to where you can start some vegetation growing.

They don't need much light at all to root, it's when you are ready to grow more leaves that they need more light.

One last mistake people often make is putting cuttings into plugs that have holes that are too big for the stem. You need the plug sealed around the stem, if it isn't sealed it will almost never root. Stuff material in the hole to fill it after putting the cutting in there or just make a smaller hole to use instead of the pre-made one.

great advice. thank u so much +rep