c02 questions

renobambino

New Member
i have a natural gas generator in my sealed room, this will be my first time growing with c02. can i start off with 800 to 1000 ppm of c02, if so what temp should i run? is it still over 85 F? im running a Photontek 1000watt c02 edition light. Should i also be venting out my room everyday to get rid of ethylene? if so what are the intervals?
 

green_machine_two9er

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I like to run my generator for veg time and beginning stages of flower. You play with the numbers but 800-1000 is fine at fiest. I do recommend cutting it way back during last half of flower. Or like your said ripening may suffer and slow. It doesn’t actually increase flower size ime. Just gets way more flowers to grow in a shorter time.

it’s not a one a done way to double yields.

but you sure can put the gas peddle down hard to cut a large percentage of the grow cycle time down. Like if you able to cut your veg time in half that’s a huge win in my book.
 

calvin.m16

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Huge misunderstanding in all this.

Co2 is only going to ensure that your plants dont phototranspire (eat oxygen during photosynthesis) by ensuring there is always steady co2 available in hot or poor airflow areas of the plants and also where light intensity is high. Adequate co2 will ensure the photosynthesis process functions as optimal as possible.

You aren't going to double your growth speed using Co2 unless your grow environment had a severe issue with low co2 to begin with. If that were a true statement my outdoor plants would grow slower than my plants with heightened co2.

Keeping a steady co2 PPM of 1000 would be smart. Your burner doesn't need to run at night because the plants don't photosynthesize at night.

Look into c3 plants, calvin cycle, photothensisis and stop listening to weed magazines.

co2 is also only going to enhance yield when nutrition, environment (temp, humidity, light) is perfect. Look into VPD and don't super overthink it. Write down what works, write down what doesn't work, keep record of it so you have recorded experience for yourself.
 
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green_machine_two9er

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Huge misunderstanding in all this.

Co2 is only going to ensure that your plants dont phototranspire (eat oxygen during photosynthesis) by ensuring there is always steady co2 available in hot or poor airflow areas of the plants and also where light intensity is high. Adequate co2 will ensure the photosynthesis process functions as optimal as possible.

You aren't going to double your growth speed using Co2 unless your grow environment had a severe issue with low co2 to begin with. If that were a true statement my outdoor plants would grow slower than my plants with heightened co2.

Keeping a steady co2 PPM of 1000 would be smart. Your burner doesn't need to run at night because the plants don't photosynthesize at night.

Look into c3 plants, calvin cycle, photothensisis and stop listening to weed magazines.

co2 is also only going to enhance yield when nutrition, environment (temp, humidity, light) is perfect. Look into VPD and don't super overthink it. Write down what works, write down what doesn't work, keep record of it so you have recorded experience for yourself.
My indoor plants do grow well over twice the rate of my outdoor. My understanding from watching the plants for awhile now is the confusion is the bud weght or size will be increased. What I’ve seen is just that the plant material itself is vastly increased bud size seems to be mainly genetic and plant health as the main variables.

either way. What’s works for me is starting around 700-800 early veg. About 3 weeks total veg time. Push co2 up to 1000-1200 through stretch and then bring it back down as flowers set in. Finnishing the cycle around normal 4-500ish.

I can turn 4 crops a year this way. That’s why I use it. Same yields as most who veg 6 -8 weeks.
 

OldMedUser

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I only run CO2 during the stretch. Also allow heat to get to 90 and make sure the girls get a good feed of bloom a week before the flip then watch them explode after the flip. Once stretch is over let it go back to regular patterns and that seems to work fine. If I'm only using a 600 or even 400 I'll run my alcohol lamp to keep CO2 up as it stays cool enough that the exhaust fan never turns on when set at 80 so they could run low on CO2.

:peace:
 

Onextremebuzz

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I only run CO2 during the stretch. Also allow heat to get to 90 and make sure the girls get a good feed of bloom a week before the flip then watch them explode after the flip. Once stretch is over let it go back to regular patterns and that seems to work fine. If I'm only using a 600 or even 400 I'll run my alcohol lamp to keep CO2 up as it stays cool enough that the exhaust fan never turns on when set at 80 so they could run low on CO2.

:peace:
Something tells me their is other limiting factors and by adding co2 probably isn't even doing that much in your case to begin with. Plants love the co2 I would consider running it from cut to harvest.
 

renobambino

New Member
I've read articles from a few people regarding increased yields by introducing fresh air for 10 minutes every 4 hours, i guess this would be something id have to try. I'm running this grow in a super soil, no till set up to se how things go. if i dont like it i have a current culture XXX4 system to put in. im used to growing hydro this will be a voyage into unchartered waters for me lol, see how it all works.
 

Onextremebuzz

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True, but I run perpetual so there's always co2 in the room, they will just keep getting harder and harder and harder. Plus the branches are much stronger when they have co2 in veg to hold up the branches of buds. It's really grower preference I haven't found it delays ripening by any more than a few days if anything or at all nor does it reduces aromas just heavier frostier buds. But that all depends on the environment the operation is in and limited to those factors. The plant will finish when it wants to given the conditions it's in. Often times adding co2 is pointless because the intensity of the light needs to be contained literally wall to wall or in a tent to even utilize the co2 benefits anyway to maximum effect because any loss in intensity greatly reduces the effect of the co2. This is were the 2-3 grams per watt numbers come in.
 

OldMedUser

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Something tells me their is other limiting factors and by adding co2 probably isn't even doing that much in your case to begin with. Plants love the co2 I would consider running it from cut to harvest.
I just use a DIY alcohol lamp burning methyl hydrate for my CO2 generator so it's fully manual and I don't want to have to be going down there twice a day just to light it and put it out. I bought a CO2 controller and solenoid as I already had a regulator but after running some tests with how high the levels got with even just a candle or hanging out in the grow room for a while said fuggit to all the money to get tanks of gas.

I tried this first but it was a bit of overkill and the fuel is expensive. :D

CO2Blast.jpg

The little unit at the bottom uses around 100ml of methanol in 12 hours and keeps the CO2 over 1500 unless the exhaust fan turns on then only takes 10 min to get it back up to 1500 so. In cold weather like -30C for 3 weeks the exhaust fan never turns on with a 600W light and the room is fairly airtight. It's just a short piece of 3/16" copper tubing soldered onto a mason jar lid and uses a cotton shoelace for a wick. Ve. 1.0 and 2.0 used 3/8" tubing and tiki torch wicks but made way more gas and burned way more fuel. 2 wicks in the first one and one in the 2nd.

Ver. 1.0 Crappy looking soldering job but it didn't leak.

AlcoholLamp02.jpg

Ver. 2.0 With the wicks really short there's a very faint blue flame and not the torch seen there.

AlcoholLamp01.jpg

Ver. 3.0 If you look real close you can see the faint blue flame and that's all it takes to make enough CO2 for my room. I just put that wire nut you see at the bottom of the pic on to snuff out the flame and slow evaporation when not in use.

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A 4L jug of 99.9 methyl costs about $12 and lasts a whole grow. Nothing to catch fire around it or over it so even if the jar broke it would just sit there and burn itself out. When I poured a cup in the metal can and lit it the flame went out after I closed the door then 15 min later checked. Used up all the oxygen in there and self-extinguished. Got all but 75ml back.

Works for this broke-ass old grower. :)

:peace:
 

OldMedUser

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I've read articles from a few people regarding increased yields by introducing fresh air for 10 minutes every 4 hours, i guess this would be something id have to try. I'm running this grow in a super soil, no till set up to se how things go. if i dont like it i have a current culture XXX4 system to put in. im used to growing hydro this will be a voyage into unchartered waters for me lol, see how it all works.
Most people have an exhaust fan running continuously so fresh air with 420ppm minimum of CO2 is being brought in all the time. My exhaust fan is on a temp/RH controller with a speed controller so it runs half speed and only runs when the temp or RH gets high enough to trigger the switch. That can be never in the winter when the light isn't enough to get it up to 85F and the air is so dry the RH in the grow room barely hits 30% and can be lower. Only 13% right now in the mancave and -12C outside.

I could use a timer to run the exhaust every now and then but then my heater would have to kick in to warm the place up again and power is not cheap up here. If just a few smaller plants it doesn't matter much as they aren't eating all the CO2 very fast but when the room is full of plants it goes fast with no fresh air or added CO2 and then growth slows to a stop. For the plants it's like us running low on O2. No energy to grow.

Have fun in soil. I'm doing that myself after 17 years of no-hassle DWC but just adding organics to ProMix HP for the base. Getting the hang of it but a lot more f'ing around than a tub of nutes. :)

:peace:
 

Mumbeltypeg

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I run around 800 ppm for early veg then around 1500-1800 (generator fluctuates) right through to harvest.. I do this so I can chase high vpd around 1500ppfd at 86deg 70 humidity
 

Onextremebuzz

Well-Known Member
I just use a DIY alcohol lamp burning methyl hydrate for my CO2 generator so it's fully manual and I don't want to have to be going down there twice a day just to light it and put it out. I bought a CO2 controller and solenoid as I already had a regulator but after running some tests with how high the levels got with even just a candle or hanging out in the grow room for a while said fuggit to all the money to get tanks of gas.

I tried this first but it was a bit of overkill and the fuel is expensive. :D

View attachment 5269875

The little unit at the bottom uses around 100ml of methanol in 12 hours and keeps the CO2 over 1500 unless the exhaust fan turns on then only takes 10 min to get it back up to 1500 so. In cold weather like -30C for 3 weeks the exhaust fan never turns on with a 600W light and the room is fairly airtight. It's just a short piece of 3/16" copper tubing soldered onto a mason jar lid and uses a cotton shoelace for a wick. Ve. 1.0 and 2.0 used 3/8" tubing and tiki torch wicks but made way more gas and burned way more fuel. 2 wicks in the first one and one in the 2nd.

Ver. 1.0 Crappy looking soldering job but it didn't leak.

View attachment 5269864

Ver. 2.0 With the wicks really short there's a very faint blue flame and not the torch seen there.

View attachment 5269865

Ver. 3.0 If you look real close you can see the faint blue flame and that's all it takes to make enough CO2 for my room. I just put that wire nut you see at the bottom of the pic on to snuff out the flame and slow evaporation when not in use.

View attachment 5269867

A 4L jug of 99.9 methyl costs about $12 and lasts a whole grow. Nothing to catch fire around it or over it so even if the jar broke it would just sit there and burn itself out. When I poured a cup in the metal can and lit it the flame went out after I closed the door then 15 min later checked. Used up all the oxygen in there and self-extinguished. Got all but 75ml back.

Works for this broke-ass old grower. :)

:peace:
Looks much safer. That blow torch is hilarious though. Even a small flame is way more than enough.
 

DoubleAtotheRON

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't worry about the ethylene too much. Don't vent your room, it'll make your generator work that much harder to bring the levels back up and waste a bunch of gas, and make a lot of heat in the process. Just keep everything sealed up. Levels?... about what other have stated. 600-800 through veg, then up to 1200-1500ppm in flower... all the way till chop. I was a little nervous myself when I started working in a sealed room with a burner going, so I bought a meter that reads other harmful gasses... I Never saw anything unusual. And working in 1500ppm is ok too... as long as it's not more that 10 hours constant exposeure at one time... you might get a headache, maybe not. Just remember that C02 levels in a classroom of kids with the door closed can reach 3000ppm or higher. Those ankle bitters breath out 30-50,000 ppm of CO2 each every time they exhale. Submarine levels can reach 8000ppm. I've witnessed this when I had my Spartan set at 1400ppm and I had 4 workers in there, and after a while, the meter read around 2800ppm.
Some handy reading.....

https://www.gchydro.com/pdf/GreenCoast Hydroponics-IS-GROW-0701-Advanced Growing Methods.pdf
 
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