What Would an Evangelical Christian Country Be Like

[Fogdog]

not sure I agree.
not sure I’m up to formulating a rigorous counterargument either.

Though I recently read a book Inside The Neolithic Mind that made a pretty brave argument that religion and animistic cultures are neurological in origin. Perhaps we are wired to see nature as the stage for supernatural agencies.

People worshipped volcanoes.

We are always looking for explanations or ways to explain what is happening. We begin doing that very early in life. That book might be on to something. I'm not religious and never have been, so mystical theological discussions are not interesting to me. I regard religion as a means of organizing human society. The better religions helped human societies thrive and expand. Human society evolved in a Darwinian sense. The fittest survived and so did their religions. That said, religion could be like the appendix, it's mostly useful but can become inflamed and need to be removed.

 

[bursto]

and who is running the country where that baby is a bunch of greedy men

 

[Fogdog]

totally possible pre flood and pre the change made to our life span by god, that is written in the bible
thought you guys didnt have the steam for a discussion, on this

ive tryed to pull the bible apart myself its pointless,

the jews who wrote it were much smarter and eloquent men, who simply wrote what they saw att
they the bloggers of old if you like

no its not. and no they weren't

 

[bursto]

no its not. and no they weren't

explain why then

 

[cannabineer]

People worshipped volcanoes.

We are always looking for explanations or ways to explain what is happening. We begin doing that very early in life. That book might be on to something. I'm not religious and never have been, so mystical theological discussions are not interesting to me. I regard religion as a means of organizing human society. The better religions helped human societies thrive and expand. Human society evolved in a Darwinian sense. The fittest survived and so did their religions. That said, religion could be like the appendix, it's mostly useful but can become inflamed and need to be removed.

The mystical capacity that underpins religion somewhat fascinates me.
The exercise of reason to counter what might be biology is (imo!) not for everybody.

I used to think that our inclination toward religion is a leftover manifestation of “how animals think”.
Now I’m more of the opinion that we are more profoundly presapient, and our technical prowess blinds us to that inconvenient idea.

 

[cannabineer]

Why did their lifespans shorten over time? Did they run out of Elf blood?

the crashed saucer’s med-bot ran out of the good stuff

 

[Fogdog]

explain why then, i built big boats on a slipway, noah just had to wait for it to rain

the story of noah is an origination myth.

but OK, so all surviving animals descended from just two survivors. Explain why interbreeding didn't cause genetic defects? If your story were true, we'd look like this:



explain without invoking God.

 

[CunningCanuk]

explain why then, i helped build big boats on a slipway, noah just had to wait for it to rain

What are you thoughts on evolution?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

not sure I agree.
not sure I’m up to formulating a rigorous counterargument either.

Though I recently read a book Inside The Neolithic Mind that made a pretty brave argument that religion and animistic cultures are neurological in origin. Perhaps we are wired to see nature as the stage for supernatural agencies.

if so, my wiring seems to be fucked up.

 

[bursto]

if every time someone killed a woman or a baby a lighting bolt came down and sorted out the bad guy, god would be constantly intervening, in our affairs,

humans rebeled against god rule and wanted to choose their own destiny, so this is what w have starving babies

 

[cannabineer]

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I once read a novel that advanced the rather frightening premise that the God of the Hebrews was omniscient and nullipotent.

Imagine the resultant helpless agony of knowing all and being able to do zip-a-rino about it.

 

[Fogdog]

The mystical capacity that underpins religion somewhat fascinates me.
The exercise of reason to counter what might be biology is (imo!) not for everybody.

I used to think that our inclination toward religion is a leftover manifestation of “how animals think”.
Now I’m more of the opinion that we are more profoundly presapient, and our technical prowess blinds us to that inconvenient idea.

I'm of the opinion that we don't know much about the human mind. Much of what we think we know contradicts much of what we know. There are some interesting theories about the human mind that align with what we know. They resolve some contradictions but are profoundly different from how we "see" the world about us. Then again, we are still learning and I'm not buying into them atm. What I believe at this time is that the "God" meme has become a drag on human evolution, it is no longer useful and should be discarded.

 

[bursto]

I once read a novel that advanced the rather frightening premise that the God of the Hebrews was omniscient and nullipotent.

Imagine the resultant helpless agony of knowing all and being able to do zip-a-rino about it.

pretty sure helpless is the wrong word,

god has done plenty already

 

[cannabineer]

pretty sure helpless is the wrong word,

god has done plenty already

we have no independent confirmation of that, and I don’t accept the book as journalism.

 

[Fogdog]

if every time someone killed a woman or a baby a lighting bolt came down and sorted out the bad guy, god would be constantly intervening, in our affairs,

humans rebeled against Gods rule and wanted to choose their own destiny, so this is what we have now is all the wars and starving babies

Yes, it is true that primitive man used religion to explain things.

 

[cannabineer]

I'm of the opinion that we don't know much about the human mind. Much of what we think we know contradicts much of what we know. There are some interesting theories about the human mind that align with what we know. They resolve some contradictions but are profoundly different from how we "see" the world about us. Then again, we are still learning and I'm not buying into them atm. What I believe at this time is that the "God" meme has become a drag on human evolution, it is no longer useful and should be discarded.

I agree with the last sentence. Imo it won’t be until we can edit our biological substrate until we can.

 

[bursto]

Yes, it is true that primitive man used religion to explain things.

the jews werent exactly primative

 

[cannabineer]

Yes, it is true that primitive man used religion to explain things.

… and continues to.
I hold the minority opinion that we are still presapient.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

explain why then, i helped build big boats on a slipway, noah just had to wait for it to rain

The ark, if it existed, was a large boat, but not quite as large as it seems at first glance.The ark was afloat for more than a year.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_739.cfm
that means that not only did they have to have at least two of EVERY animal, they had to carry enough extra to feed themselves for a year, and to feed the carnivorous animals, for a year, and enough grain, hay, oats...to feed all those animals for a year...

https://arkencounter.com/noahs-ark/size/
It would have been big, but not that big...

 

[cannabineer]

the jews werent exactly primative

we’re primates.