Trump To Turn Himself In

DIY-HP-LED

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I don’t think he will ever go to prison.
We will see, but the problem with the house arrest or gilded cage theory is Donald! The judge will give him plenty of rope to hang himself, but Donald will violate his conditions of release sure as shit! What happens if Donald acts up in court, won't STFU, threatens witnesses, or tells the judge to fuck off? Remember the judge owns Donalds ass upon indictment and he is technically in the custody of the court until proven guilty or innocent and the judge is responsible for him. He won't be going back to Trump tower to cool off, he will be going to a cell after getting a strip of his ass ripped off by the judge before he sends him there! The SS will just have to make the best arrangements with the bailiff they can and get an unlocked cell next door where they will have to listen to him bitch and whine through the cell bars all shift long! :lol:
 

Highway61

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Until now, XT has been posting baseless opinions that he pulled from his ass. At least he's citing a source this time. What Dershowitz is saying is shared by others, people who are not GOP partisans. Does XT seem desperate because he obviously cherry picked to confirm his bias rather than learn? Yes he does. Still, though, he gave us something to refer to so we that we have more than his raving and rants to go on.

https://abc7news.com/why-trump-indictment-might-hinge-on-a-novel-legal-theory/13059302/

Falsifying business records is usually a misdemeanor in New York, but charges could be enhanced to a felony if done in furtherance of another crime. In theory, the alleged felony could amount to federal campaign violation if prosecutors argue it helped Trump politically coming so close to an election.

"We are pretty sure that at the heart of this charge is filing false business records with an attempt to defraud -- that's a misdemeanor, a state charge -- that can become a felony if it's done in furtherance of another crime," Shaw said. "So, the question becomes what might that other crime be?"

"If it's a federal campaign finance crime, that is pretty novel legal terrain," she continued. "It's also possible that there's another crime, in the vein of a state tax crime, that a false records charge could be tied to, making it into a felony."


Then again, Bragg's not stupid,


When Bragg took office, he inherited the cases from Trump and he hit the brakes, cancelling one investigation, drawing criticism that Bragg was weak..

People who have worked with Bragg find this interpretation implausible. Instead, they believe it was completely in character for the DA to have slowed down the Trump investigation while methodically evaluating the evidence. His team may also be incorporating valuable new witnesses and fresh evidence, including Trump’s tax returns. And even Snell wholeheartedly backs Bragg against the critique that linking the murky payment to Stormy Daniels with an alleged violation of federal election regulations—something necessary to charge the former president with a felony—is a novel, tenuous legal strategy. “I think that criticism is ridiculous,” Snell says. “It’s not a novel legal theory to simply apply the plain letter of the law. Just because you haven’t had a situation where that law was paired with a particular crime before does not make it a weird, far-out legal theory. It just means that this permutation of laws has never occurred before. If people are going to say that this combination of statutes is uncharted—well, yeah, the combination of offenses is uncharted too.”

Terri Gerstein worked with Bragg as a prosecutor in the New York attorney general’s office, and she regards him so highly that she campaigned for him to be elected DA. “When you’re on the outside of a government investigation, you just don’t know what’s happening on the inside, even if someone was a prosecutor themselves,” says Gerstein, who is now the director of a workers’ rights program at Harvard. “Alvin is not someone who would bring a weak case. He follows the law and the facts without fear or favor.”
I would think that the additional crime would be that he deducted the hush money as a business expense. But maybe that's baked into the original misdemeanor under NY law.
 

CunningCanuk

Well-Known Member
Until now, XT has been posting baseless opinions that he pulled from his ass. At least he's citing a source this time. What Dershowitz is saying is shared by others, people who are not GOP partisans. Does XT seem desperate because he obviously cherry picked to confirm his bias rather than learn? Yes he does. Still, though, he gave us something to refer to so we that we have more than his raving and rants to go on.

https://abc7news.com/why-trump-indictment-might-hinge-on-a-novel-legal-theory/13059302/

Falsifying business records is usually a misdemeanor in New York, but charges could be enhanced to a felony if done in furtherance of another crime. In theory, the alleged felony could amount to federal campaign violation if prosecutors argue it helped Trump politically coming so close to an election.

"We are pretty sure that at the heart of this charge is filing false business records with an attempt to defraud -- that's a misdemeanor, a state charge -- that can become a felony if it's done in furtherance of another crime," Shaw said. "So, the question becomes what might that other crime be?"

"If it's a federal campaign finance crime, that is pretty novel legal terrain," she continued. "It's also possible that there's another crime, in the vein of a state tax crime, that a false records charge could be tied to, making it into a felony."


Then again, Bragg's not stupid,


When Bragg took office, he inherited the cases from Trump and he hit the brakes, cancelling one investigation, drawing criticism that Bragg was weak..

People who have worked with Bragg find this interpretation implausible. Instead, they believe it was completely in character for the DA to have slowed down the Trump investigation while methodically evaluating the evidence. His team may also be incorporating valuable new witnesses and fresh evidence, including Trump’s tax returns. And even Snell wholeheartedly backs Bragg against the critique that linking the murky payment to Stormy Daniels with an alleged violation of federal election regulations—something necessary to charge the former president with a felony—is a novel, tenuous legal strategy. “I think that criticism is ridiculous,” Snell says. “It’s not a novel legal theory to simply apply the plain letter of the law. Just because you haven’t had a situation where that law was paired with a particular crime before does not make it a weird, far-out legal theory. It just means that this permutation of laws has never occurred before. If people are going to say that this combination of statutes is uncharted—well, yeah, the combination of offenses is uncharted too.”

Terri Gerstein worked with Bragg as a prosecutor in the New York attorney general’s office, and she regards him so highly that she campaigned for him to be elected DA. “When you’re on the outside of a government investigation, you just don’t know what’s happening on the inside, even if someone was a prosecutor themselves,” says Gerstein, who is now the director of a workers’ rights program at Harvard. “Alvin is not someone who would bring a weak case. He follows the law and the facts without fear or favor.”
While the great legal minds speculate on the validity of charges they haven’t yet seen, the rational among us will wait and see what the charges are before commenting on their validity.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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While the great legal minds speculate on the validity of charges they haven’t yet seen, the rational among us will wait and see what the charges are before commenting on their validity.
I'm of the opinion that equality under the law in this public matter begins with Donald's arraignment for a plea, that's when he enters the "machine". He must be treated no better and no worse than any other defendant who told the judge to fuck off and refused to recognize the proceedings while attempting to walk out... :lol: Donald is under a lot of strain and has a tenuous and fluid grasp on reality at best, he could crack or flip out, this will be a novel experience for him and he might lose his mind or fuck up if his ego is challenged. If the prosecutor were to call him stupid for instance...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I'm of the opinion that equality under the law in this public matter begins with Donald's arraignment for a plea, that's when he enters the "machine". He must be treated no better and no worse than any other defendant who told the judge to fuck off and refused to recognize the proceedings while attempting to walk out... :lol: Donald is under a lot of strain and has a tenuous and fluid grasp on reality at best, he could crack or flip out, this will be a novel experience for him and he might lose his mind or fuck up if his ego is challenged. If the prosecutor were to call him stupid for instance...
prosecutors are human, and can slip, but for the most part, they're trained to be as passionless as possible while on the job...and a judge wouldn't be pleased if there was obvious taunting with the goal of making him lose his cool.
 

PJ Diaz

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Where's the Schadenfreude in that! It is fun to speculate on Donald's fate, he earned the hate!
Ever find it odd that there's no translation for schadenfreude to English? Germans seem to be the only nationality willing to accept this as a human emotion, meanwhile it concurrently seems to be the main emotion that fuels the temperament of North Americans at large.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ever find it odd that there's no translation for schadenfreude to English? Germans seem to be the only nationality willing to accept this as a human emotion, meanwhile it concurrently seems to be the main emotion that fuels the temperament of North Americans at large.
I don't often indulge in the vice, but when I do, it's usually for someone like Donald or Putin, someone who won't be missed and who's departure makes the world a better place. Seeing justice done also feels good for most folks and keeps the peace, no justice no peace. This is like a cop show where the bad guy gets away with shit for the best part of an hour, only to be caught in the last 10 minutes, if he wasn't and got away, the show's ratings would crash and the audience unhappy.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Ever find it odd that there's no translation for schadenfreude to English? Germans seem to be the only nationality willing to accept this as a human emotion, meanwhile it concurrently seems to be the main emotion that fuels the temperament of North Americans at large.
On the other hand, there is no German word that comes anywhere near the elemental term “gnarly”.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Trump set to be arraigned on his criminal indictment on Tuesday. Then, it's on to "The Trump Trials"

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For the first time in American history, a former president has been indicted for his crimes. What does this unprecedented development mean for the United States and for all future presidents? My new piece for MSNBC Daily takes on that very question.
 
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