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[DIY-HP-LED]

I don't know enough about the history between the white Canadian nation and the First People to comment on what could or should happen w/regard to reparations. In the US, just focusing on economic harm to Black people, harm to Black people continued after 1865 and into today. I saw one study that specified damages at $150 million per Black person. I'm not sure even that amount would make whole the people harmed by US racism against the Black people of our nation. I'm pretty sure a cash payout of that amount will not happen I said it to provide scale to how much harm and how much benefit was gained by those doing harm. It's a very big dollar figure. How should that money be allocated? I very much liked what Kamala Harris said about reparations:

You can look at the issue of untreated and undiagnosed trauma. African-Americans have higher rates of heart disease and high blood pressure. It is environmental. It is centuries of slavery, which was a form of violence where women were raped, where children were taken from their parents - violence associated with slavery. And that never - there was never any real intervention to break up what had been generations of people experiencing the highest forms of trauma. And trauma, undiagnosed and untreated, leads to physiological outcomes.

unless there's intervention done, it will appear to be, perhaps, generational. But it's generational only because the environment has not experienced a significant enough change to reverse the symptoms. You need to put resources and direct resources - extra resources - into those communities that have experienced that trauma.

I think that the word, the term reparations, it means different things to different people. But what I mean by it is that we need to study the effects of generations of discrimination and institutional racism and determine what can be done, in terms of intervention, to correct course.

I'm not going to derail this thread and won't comment on this topic going forward. This is, after all a thread for Canada stuff. I posted my comment to provide insight into where the topic of reparations may be headed in the US.

In Canada it will be both land and financial, however reparations if done might be better given as social services like healthcare and educational opportunities. It should probably be based on appearance and not color, a side-by-side photo of Obama and John Boehner is revealing!

 

[printer]

Yeah. It's a good thing a number of degree's don't actually require multiple term papers, essays, and written communication to attain. Dr. Seuss would have been a much more engaging read than these. I'm gonna guess that your mechanics books are just as dry and humorless as well.

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I have the sixth edition.

 

[cannabineer]

I have the sixth edition.

The first one that addresses the errata of editions 1 through 4! Edition 5 was so close.

 

[printer]

The first one that addresses the errata of editions 1 through 4! Edition 5 was so close.

Still do not know why I have it.

 

[cannabineer]

Still do not know why I have it.

Without it, any library of monographs about dairy-based maneuver is woefully incomplete.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1642215384458600449

 

[CunningCanuk]

This is disgusting. Did anyone really believe our government was above separating families? I didn’t.

OTTAWA - Six Canadian children are set to leave a Syrian prison camp and fly to Canada without their mother, who cannot come with them because federal officials have not completed her security assessment, advocates for the family say.

Read in The Canadian Press: https://apple.news/AsMRJ-2WNROCkEG0K2gG-lQ

 

[cannabineer]

This is disgusting. Did anyone really believe our government was above separating families? I didn’t.

OTTAWA - Six Canadian children are set to leave a Syrian prison camp and fly to Canada without their mother, who cannot come with them because federal officials have not completed her security assessment, advocates for the family say.

Read in The Canadian Press: https://apple.news/AsMRJ-2WNROCkEG0K2gG-lQ

You’re becoming more like us by the week. Stop that.

 

[CunningCanuk]

You’re becoming more like us by the week. Stop that.

It’s a misconception that we were ever that much different. Good and bad.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

This is disgusting. Did anyone really believe our government was above separating families? I didn’t.

OTTAWA - Six Canadian children are set to leave a Syrian prison camp and fly to Canada without their mother, who cannot come with them because federal officials have not completed her security assessment, advocates for the family say.

Read in The Canadian Press: https://apple.news/AsMRJ-2WNROCkEG0K2gG-lQ

Yeah, but they know who their parents are, it is not forcible separation, they get to talk to their parents via skype or whatever and they are not held in cages when they get here. It is not however a good situation and someone in the government needs to get on the ball because this situation should not have arisen in the first fucking place!

 

[CunningCanuk]

Yeah, but they know who their parents are, it is not forcible separation, they get to talk to their parents via skype or whatever and they are not held in cages when they get here.

I’m sure you’ll get some likes from Rex and the gang for this post.

I can’t imagine anyone with children holding such a view.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I’m sure you’ll get some likes from Rex and the gang for this post.

I can’t imagine anyone with children holding such a view.

Canuck, there are degrees of Hell, and this fuck up in no way compares to the malicious actions of Trump and his minions on the southern border. That is my only point, I did not approve or say it was a good idea, but if those mothers want their kids safe in Canada and are willing to wait it out, I'm ok with that, if they put their kids first, I am willing to help good people for sure.

 

[CunningCanuk]

Canuck, there are degrees of Hell, and this fuck up in no way compares to the malicious actions of Trump and his minions on the southern border. That is my only point, I did not approve or say it was a good idea, but if those mothers want their kids safe in Canada and are willing to wait it out, I'm ok with that, if they put their kids first, I am willing to help good people for sure.

Waiting it out in a bungalow in Cape Breton is a lot different than waiting it out in a Syrian prison camp.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Waiting it out in a bungalow in Cape Breton is a lot different than waiting it out in a Syrian prison camp.

I don't control these things, we need security, not paranoia, we can demand humane treatment though and respecting of human rights and dignity. I'm all for increased immigration, we need it and 25% of Canadians or landed immigrants are foreign born, however we must be careful not to trigger reactionary forces, like in Europe and America to a degree.

 

[Fogdog]

I don't control these things, we need security, not paranoia, we can demand humane treatment though and respecting of human rights and dignity. I'm all for increased immigration, we need it and 25% of Canadians or landed immigrants are foreign born, however we must be careful not to trigger reactionary forces, like in Europe and America to a degree.

Don't do the right thing because it might provoke the fascists.

Where have I heard that before?

 

[CANON_Grow]

I’m sure you’ll get some likes from Rex and the gang for this post.

I can’t imagine anyone with children holding such a view.

There are facts missing from the story, we know that at least two of the kids were not born in Canada, and it sounds like the mother did not have Canadian citizenship so unless their father was a citizen they would not be entitled to citizenship. The mother was given the choice keep them all together in Syria, or allow all the children to come back to Canada (which appears they were not all entitled to). We know the mother was a resident in Quebec at some point(but not a citizen), we don't know why she was in Syria or for how long. That would be a pretty important fact to know before condemning the actions of the Canadian government. It's not fair to speculate on the mothers reasons for leaving Quebec to go to Syria, but until that is known it's hard to determine if this is justified or not.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Don't do the right thing because it might provoke the fascists.

Where have I heard that before?

Studies of the J6 crowd have shown that once different people reach a certain threshold in their areas it triggers a xenophobic reaction in a subset of the population and a milder reaction in a larger number. We must attend to the experience of Europe after the American invasions and the civil wars in the middle east and the major influx of refugees who were too different. Ukrainians are tolerated in far higher numbers, fellow Europeans I guess, with Poland their closest neighbor accommodating the most and with the most empathy.

We need not fear reactionaries but must deal with them intelligently and minimize their impact on policy, otherwise a rightwing semi fascist government might arise. Social change can only happen at a certain pace, largely determined by the mortality rate! In America change has been pent up for a while, so expect a flood with political change.

 

[CANON_Grow]

There are facts missing from the story, we know that at least two of the kids were not born in Canada, and it sounds like the mother did not have Canadian citizenship so unless their father was a citizen they would not be entitled to citizenship. The mother was given the choice keep them all together in Syria, or allow all the children to come back to Canada (which appears they were not all entitled to). We know the mother was a resident in Quebec at some point(but not a citizen), we don't know why she was in Syria or for how long. That would be a pretty important fact to know before condemning the actions of the Canadian government. It's not fair to speculate on the mothers reasons for leaving Quebec to go to Syria, but until that is known it's hard to determine if this is justified or not.

I certainly feel for the kids, but not going to condemn the government on this.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/canadians-accused-of-joining-isis-could-soon-come-home-1.6724477

 

[CunningCanuk]

This is a great thread. If nothing else it should put to rest the fallacy that Canadians are nice.

 

[cannabineer]

This is a great thread. If nothing else it should put to rest the fallacy that Canadians are nice.