DIY-HP-LED
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At least we can have nuanced debates about policy with meaningful ideas and opinions expressed, a sure sign of a functioning liberal democratic society debating the finer points of being nice.
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CANON_Grow
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Nice to whom? Some Canadians believe that having a child does not negate all laws this country is governed by. Applying the same logic would be me suggesting you support terrorists, which I am not suggesting you do, just pointing out the all or nothing option you present.
Cannasaurus Rex
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I've been looking thru my history to find thomas sowells statement, but the group moved past that, still looking, and learning. Me being called a bigot, notwithstanding, I'm very saddened at this news from the Kingston area...
Some Canadian news sprung up which I find very disturbing and wondering why this happens other than trying to reconnect with loved ones or just economic, reasons? Shocked, very unsettling. https://toronto.citynews.ca/2023/03/30/police-say-six-bodies-found-in-water-near-quebec-u-s-border/#:~:text=Authorities in the Mohawk Territory,additional bodies have been recovered.
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Cannasaurus Rex
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I am sorry for letting you get under my skin, but as a fisherman I often take the bait, apologies if I get too personal when I'm raging. You're tough though.
Cannasaurus Rex
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Had a guy sitting next to me in the licence bureau (service Ontario) last year who said, "I don't know why we're taking these Syrians in...blah blah". I said 'we have no problems blowing up their houses, so... End of 'conversation'. Glad I don't go to pubs..
CunningCanuk
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You should have kept the first post up, Rex, it was better.
printer
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"Open this story in Apple News."
And no link to open it. The link, "Learn more about Apple News" tells us about Apple News, not the story.
6 Canadian children to return from Syrian detention without their mother: advocates
Six Canadian children are set to leave a Syrian prison camp and fly to Canada without their mother, who cannot come with them because federal officials have not completed her security assessment, advocates for the family say.
The federal government gave the Quebec woman until today to decide whether her children would join other Canadians on the repatriation flight, expected to depart any day now, or remain with her in Syria, said Alexandra Bain of the group Families Against Violent Extremism.
"I'm shocked. It doesn't make any sense," Bain said Saturday in an interview. "It's not how I expect Canada to behave."
The Canadians are among the many foreign nationals in Syrian camps run by Kurdish forces that reclaimed the war-torn region from the extremist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
The children, ranging in age from as young as three to 16 years, have no family in Quebec, said Bain, whose organization helps families with loved ones caught up in violent extremist groups. At least two of the six children were born in Syria. There is a plan for Quebec social service agencies to place the six in care, in three groups of two.
The mother, who has no idea if or when she will be allowed to leave al-Roj camp in northeastern Syria, is worried about how she will maintain contact with her youngsters, Bain said.
"She's doing this for her children. And she's terrified that she's doing the wrong thing," added lawyer Lawrence Greenspon, who is assisting the family. "It's not a choice that any parent should ever have to make.'"
Bain and Greenspon requested that the woman's name not be published due to the sensitivity of the case and related privacy concerns.
Violation of rights
Greenspon has argued in Federal Court on behalf of several men, women and children detained in Syria that Global Affairs Canada must arrange for their return, saying that refusing to do so violates the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Greenspon reached an agreement with the federal government in January to bring home six Canadian women and 13 children who had been part of the court action. All 19 are expected to be on the imminent repatriation flight from Syria.
There was hope that the Quebec woman and her six children, though not part of the court case, would also be boarding the plane together.
Greenspon said while the children have been cleared to leave Syria, their mother is still undergoing a federal security assessment.
Separating a mother from her children violates Canada's international commitments as well as the government's policy for assessing possible repatriation cases, Greenspon said. "Their own policy framework says that they shouldn't be doing this."
Canada did not have an immediate response to questions about the Quebec family's case.
Bain received a Nov. 24 letter from Global Affairs saying the woman and her six children had met the criteria for federal consideration of assistance to Canadians detained in the region, spelled out in the government's January 2021 policy framework.
The letter noted threats to the woman and her children's safety "given the dangerous security conditions inside the camp." It also cited reports of declining sanitary and living conditions, including possible cholera outbreaks and intermittent access to food and clean water.
Bain said the woman has been beaten and attacked while in detention.
As part of the repatriation procedures, the RCMP has recently been conducting interviews with Canadian detainees in Syria. The Quebec woman spoke with the Mounties last Wednesday, an experience she found confusing and terrifying, Bain said. The next day, "they told her she couldn't come home."
Bain is aware of 10 other Canadian children in detention in Syria to non-Canadian mothers. These mothers have decided not to send their children to Canada as part of the repatriation effort, she said.
"The federal government gave the Quebec woman until today to decide whether her children would join other Canadians on the repatriation flight, expected to depart any day now, or remain with her in Syria,"
So no one is forcing the kids to leave the mother.
"Global Affairs saying the woman and her six children had met the criteria for federal consideration of assistance to Canadians detained in the region"
So there is a process, she could wait it out with the kids or send them along first. Seems there is not enough information for the government to decide if she is a terrorist threat. What would happen to the government if they did not go through their process to decide if she is a threat or not. If she blew up a church or something it could actually bring down the government (unlike our American friends there is no fixed terms for our government). Speaking of Americans, just imagine what the politicians south of the border would say if she is let in without meeting all the security concerns.
cannabineer
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every time I see Apple News I move on.
Dorian2
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One reason that some have questioned the refugee intake was because of the lack of availability of housing and other social infrastructure availability to Syrian refugees. It impacted a number of people that rely on social security and housing, including a number of handicapped Canadian citizens. I have no issues accepting refugees from other nations, but it's my opinion that the support structure has to be viable to allow for their proper inclusion into our much different social structure. It's another big ol' can of worms.
https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/reports-statistics/evaluations/rapid-impact-evaluation-syrian-refugee-initiative.html#toc2-3
Big disagree
1 in 10 children returned home, that child had a large chance of becoming addicted to drugs, alcohol, or dying by suicide afterwards or continuing the abuse
a children who dies of starvation because a religion sect decided to withold food from these children is still murder.
Abuse that leads to death is murder
If I could I would genuine go give you all the information regarding this i studied for 4 years in college as a social worker. these children were raped, murdered, and abused by the church just like others claim they were (referring ot your other comment)
the only reason im not going to go further in this is because i have to mod the forum and i have like 20 pages alone to read in one heavy political thread that needs moderation and than the rest of the forum to do
DIY-HP-LED
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No arguments from me on any of those things, but what do we do moving forward? How do we compensate for past wrongs, How can we mitigate the multigenerational tragedy? I'll be the first to agree about the injustice, but the current situation is a Helluva lot better than it was before constitutional changes empowered first nations. It is a process I'm afraid and it takes time, it took time for the injustice to be recognized by most Canadians and it will also take time and more changes including quasi provincial statues for some. They have collective property rights not individual ones as a tribe or band. All cultures must evolve and adapt to conditions to survive, and first nations are no different than anybody else, we have all lost our "native" cultures in the modern world. The best they or we can hope for is a multicultural society with first nations in the mix with legal rights respected.
As I said before, we spend a lot of time on this thread trying to figure out the best way to be nice, and this is another one of those topics.
Cannasaurus Rex
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too much personal stuff and albeit true, there was too much ammo, you read it, thats all I wanted.
Cannasaurus Rex
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We ALREADY WERE. but jfc if you say that you get hated on
Ozumoz66
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The poem below is powerful.
Some clergy that participated in atrocities are still alive/free.
Disclosure - stepson & grandkids are part Indigenous - from Manitoulin Island. My wife is from Val Therese, just north of Sudbury.
DIY-HP-LED
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I tend to approach this issue from a legalistic POV and the reason is the empowerment of first nations by the constitution, and first nations can exploit the qualities of a liberal democracy like Gadhi, who was a lawyer, did with the British system of law. These issues will be settled in court in Canada, and we have a different newer constitution than the US and enlightened justices who take issues of social justice into account. This is the way, as they say, hence the legal constitutional approach and as we have seen those wheels of justice grind slow.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Canadian legs were the first on the moon, the LEMs legs were made in Canada, we are defense contractors too. Now we get to go along for the ride.
NASA, CSA to announce the astronauts flying to moon on Artemis II mission
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NASA and the Canadian Space Agency will announce the four astronauts who will venture around the moon on Artemis II on Monday. CBC's Bob McDonald talks about the new mission to the moon and which Canadian astronaut is likely to be chosen.
NASA, CSA to announce the astronauts flying to moon on Artemis II mission
10,883 views Apr 2, 2023
NASA and the Canadian Space Agency will announce the four astronauts who will venture around the moon on Artemis II on Monday. CBC's Bob McDonald talks about the new mission to the moon and which Canadian astronaut is likely to be chosen.
cannabineer
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CunningCanuk
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My high school physics teacher had a PHD and he worked on the program developing the LEM landing gear. Many of the engineers in the Apollo program were Canadians picked up from the then recently scrapped Avro Arrow program.
Thus securing John Diefenbaker’s contribution to the future of space travel.
DIY-HP-LED
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In the end it was swords into plowshares for the engineers involved and a move to a warmer climate and probably more agreeable work in the end. Conservatives have always been dummies and Dief was no different than DoFo, but it worked out for the best I suppose.