Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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cannabineer said:
I think in this instance your and my views are diametrically opposed. The fees and permits are necessary to avoid the “tragedy of the commons” in this beautiful and fragile land.

And freedom isn’t worth a wet sneeze into your hand if it selects for the people who have money. (insert rant about libertarian hypocrisy here)

Case in point: it is my firm belief that not one new construction should be permitted here without its own independent source of water. Existing infrastructure cannot carry what we already have.

I see plans to develop parts of my current refuge, the western Mojave. I doubt that the developers have a water plan other than “add to the demand on the river”. If that is freedom, I say tax the bastards into oblivion so that there will be something left for my grandkids.
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I think this is a case of a difference in your/our environment. Just by observation, SoCal has simply over populated itself beyond its resources. I guess I could see how that would slowly get out of control over time. Seems a little late now, but adding on more and more fees and taxation will eventually thin the herd.
My environment is totally different. I have an unlimited water supply. I can pump out 30,000 gallons a day for the rest of my life, and my kids life, and never run out. It’s clean, and no chemicals… just natural filtration, and if I did this for a week (which I do often in the summer), it only costs about $18 for the pump energy.
Electric grid.. we belong to a Coop, so we own part of it. Matter of fact, they send me a check every year as shared interest earned. No limits on usage, no rolling blackouts, and it’s just under 9 cents per KWH, and can get down to 6 cents if you use enough of it.
Permits… never heard of it. If I want to throw up a 5000 sq ft building, I just do it. I don’t have to ask anyone….. so, you can see how the views are different from both ends of the spectrum.
I can see why people have flocked to Cali over the years. It’s very scenic, beautiful beaches and palm trees everywhere. However, I think the circuit breaker is about to pop. I was just talking to a lady this morning who works for the city of San Diego since 93’. She told me she can’t wait to get the hell out of here. I think she said 2 more years till she could retire.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
I think this is a case of a difference in your/our environment. Just by observation, SoCal has simply over populated itself beyond its resources. I guess I could see how that would slowly get out of control over time. Seems a little late now, but adding on more and more fees and taxation will eventually thin the herd.
My environment is totally different. I have an unlimited water supply. I can pump out 30,000 gallons a day for the rest of my life, and my kids life, and never run out. It’s clean, and no chemicals… just natural filtration, and if I did this for a week (which I do often in the summer), it only costs about $18 for the pump energy.
Electric grid.. we belong to a Coop, so we own part of it. Matter of fact, they send me a check every year as shared interest earned. No limits on usage, no rolling blackouts, and it’s just under 9 cents per KWH, and can get down to 6 cents if you use enough of it.
Permits… never heard of it. If I want to throw up a 5000 sq ft building, I just do it. I don’t have to ask anyone….. so, you can see how the views are different from both ends of the spectrum.
I can see why people have flocked to Cali over the years. It’s very scenic, beautiful beaches and palm trees everywhere. However, I think the circuit breaker is about to pop. I was just talking to a lady this morning who works for the city of San Diego since 93’. She told me she can’t wait to get the hell out of here. I think she said 2 more years till she could retire.
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I am curious about one thing directly pertaining to your well. Are you close to the hurting Ogellalla aquifer?

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DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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cannabineer said:
I am curious about one thing directly pertaining to your well. Are you close to the hurting Ogellalla aquifer?

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Negative.. I’m over the Rush Springs aquifer…. Long ago, Coors Brewing wanted to build thier plant there, but the foolish townspeople said “you ain’t makin’ that devil brew in our town!”… That’s about all they have going for them in Rush Springs, OK. is good clean water…. and lots of it.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
Negative.. I’m over the Rush Springs aquifer…. Long ago, Coors Brewing wanted to build thier plant there, but the foolish townspeople said “you ain’t makin’ that devil brew in our town!”… That’s about all they have going for them in Rush Springs, OK. is good clean water…. and lots of it.
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For now. Closer to my home, parts of the Central Valley have dropped fifty feet in a century due to wells. Often, the sustainable draw is a lot less than the available draw.

We used to have artesian wells. Now folks are drilling hundreds of feet. Paleowater is a beautiful thing, but it took millennia to emplace.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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cannabineer said:
For now. Closer to my home, parts of the Central Valley have dropped fifty feet in a century due to wells. Often, the sustainable draw is a lot less than the available draw.

We used to have artesian wells. Now folks are drilling hundreds of feet. Paleowater is a beautiful thing, but it took millennia to emplace.
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Yeah, see we don’t have the population to consume enough to make a difference.. We hit water at 70 ft, and drilled down to the bottom at 295 ft., set the pump at about 250 ft. I think this aquifer is about 50 miles wide. It’s a lot of damn water. And it constantly gets replenished by Colorado rains, snow melts, etc… takes about 7 years to get here.
 
PadawanWarrior

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
Negative.. I’m over the Rush Springs aquifer…. Long ago, Coors Brewing wanted to build thier plant there, but the foolish townspeople said “you ain’t makin’ that devil brew in our town!”… That’s about all they have going for them in Rush Springs, OK. is good clean water…. and lots of it.
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Coors is right down the hill from me. It's right by a river so I'm assuming they get their water from that. Some day we'll take the tour.

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cannabineer

cannabineer

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
Yeah, see we don’t have the population to consume enough to make a difference.. We hit water at 70 ft, and drilled down to the bottom at 295 ft., set the pump at about 250 ft. I think this aquifer is about 50 miles wide. It’s a lot of damn water.
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80 years ago folks here said similar. I’m saying, available exceeds sustainable, especially when a lot of that water is over ten thousand years in the ground.
With a lot of folks denying obvious climate change, shop with care for who estimates recovery rates.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

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PadawanWarrior said:
Coors is right down the hill from me. It's right by a river so I'm assuming they get their water from that. Some day we'll take the tour.

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Man, Rush Springs really fucked that deal up. It’s a tiny little town of under 1000 population…thier main source of income is $60,000 a year in speed trap tickets.
 
Fogdog

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The area Action Jackson and PW are castigating, urban Southern California, was mostly under Republican control until recently.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/local/2022/11/07/how-san-diegos-political-map-shifted-from-red-to-blue-and-what-comes-next

As usual, Democrats are looked to in order solve the problems Republicans have created. I grew up in Northern CA and always looked down on SoCal for the very reasons that it is now experiencing an environmental crisis. The grew without adequate planning and regulations into the cancer of the west coast that they are today. The cancer is curable but only with thought, consideration and science, not Republican witch doctors. CA has a world class economy and would rank highly if it were an independent nation. This the result of CA investing in its people through education, infrastructure and providing a good safety net for those who are under economic stress.

They are experiencing a housing crisis. It's causing enormous stress in that state. The roots of those problems go way back. CA simply does not have enough housing for everybody, which explains why so many people can't afford the very basic need of shelter.

It's true that OK doesn't have the population that California has. It also doesn't have anywhere near the size of CA's economy either. A lot of people who left state to move to jobs in CA. Which explains why a person with an average income can do well there. They do so on the backs of the many who live below the poverty line. In most categories used to compare states in the US, it's a shithole.


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