I have a hermie. Don't know what to do or to expect.

RookieMuffin

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You gotta put yourself on a slower scale of expectations when it comes to plants. You can't keep piling on new things and changing everything around if you're not seeing overnight results. Every time you change something you might as well figure that you will have about a one-week setback before the plants start responding to any changes you have made.

Quite frankly...fuck all this VPD/EC/PPFD stuff -especially for inexperienced growers. It just makes gardening into a mathematics class to have to mix this, measure that, calculate this, etc. If you run a commercial business and have hundreds of plants to manage, etc., then yeah okay.

Keep it simple and slow your rate of expectations down.
I think the problem with that is perfectionism... People want to make things always 100% right all the time in fear of failing and so on...

There is also so much fear mongering like "If you dont control everyithing you will harvest shit weed with no potency and low yield" and so on...
 

bubblescrogs

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I think the problem with that is perfectionism... People want to make things always 100% right all the time in fear of failing and so on...

There is also so much fear mongering like "If you dont control everyithing you will harvest shit weed with no potency and low yield" and so on...
And to be fair, you’re in DWC. That advice is fine for throwing beans in the dirt (they grew for thousands of years before humans touched them). In DWC if your EC/PH are wrong (they are closely linked) you’ll have dead plants in a week
 

FirstCavApache64

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I have the Spider Farmer SF7000 which is 650 watts. Right now it's at 22" and about 85%. I'm in week 5 of flower and I'll try to turn it up to 100% next week and then each week after that I'll lower the intensity down as they begin to ripen. I wouldn't raise humidity above 50% at the stage of flower you're in due to increased risk of budrot and PM. I'd leave the light settings and raise the light to lessen the ppfd. 4-6" would probably make a big difference. Keeping them healthy is the most important thing right now. Don't worry so much about lower light giving you bad weed. If you started out with good genetics you're going to be happy with what you grow.
 

FirstCavApache64

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I think the problem with that is perfectionism... People want to make things always 100% right all the time in fear of failing and so on...

There is also so much fear mongering like "If you dont control everyithing you will harvest shit weed with no potency and low yield" and so on...
The best advice I got when starting out was LITFA, Leave it the F alone. I was always trying little tweaks and extras thinking I could squeeze more yield or better terps out of the plant. Once you learn to just relax a little and read the plants you realize they don't really need much. Proper light, good genetics and good watering habits will give you good weed. You might not be the next Instagram star but you'll be smoking your own stash.
 

curious2garden

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It's hard to dial it in this way because 900ppfd at a given hight and percentage is a lot of variables.... I could get the light easy 32 inches (81cm) away from canopy... wouldn't that be to much?

And just hang it higher and dim it down? just to let them recover?

And what do you think about the vpd problem? Raise the RH while they are recovering to lower the VPD so they maybe recover better?

Im running at 2.0 EC right now. Before in vegging they were at 2.3 and they were eating very good... EC always stayed spot on 2.3 not lower not higher and they looked very healthy. Until i initiated flowering and increased light intensity....

Now i run them at 2.0 EC in DWC hydro. but the EC is rasing all the time since 1 month (maybe due to the high light intensity?) so i was just adding water to the res every day....
Usually EC going up means you need to lower EC. They are drinking more than eating. You want them close to equal.
 

hotrodharley

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So you think dimming the LED was the right decision?

How much do you think I should dim? A lot until they've recovered or just 10-20% and wait till the recover on their own?

How much ppfd would you recommend max?
No higher than 1000 actually. I use a cheap quantum PAR meter and can quickly dial it in. No guessing. No math operations or conversions using white paper or anything else. Measure it. Set it.
 

RookieMuffin

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I've already answered this thread some hours ago but somehow my reply is not here. Anyway I will do it again.

And to be fair, you’re in DWC. That advice is fine for throwing beans in the dirt (they grew for thousands of years before humans touched them). In DWC if your EC/PH are wrong (they are closely linked) you’ll have dead plants in a week
True...

I have the Spider Farmer SF7000 which is 650 watts. Right now it's at 22" and about 85%. I'm in week 5 of flower and I'll try to turn it up to 100% next week and then each week after that I'll lower the intensity down as they begin to ripen. I wouldn't raise humidity above 50% at the stage of flower you're in due to increased risk of budrot and PM. I'd leave the light settings and raise the light to lessen the ppfd. 4-6" would probably make a big difference. Keeping them healthy is the most important thing right now. Don't worry so much about lower light giving you bad weed. If you started out with good genetics you're going to be happy with what you grow.
Ok wow so you are halfway through flower but still not at 100%... Looks like I have to be careful will the dimmer lol.

The best advice I got when starting out was LITFA, Leave it the F alone. I was always trying little tweaks and extras thinking I could squeeze more yield or better terps out of the plant. Once you learn to just relax a little and read the plants you realize they don't really need much. Proper light, good genetics and good watering habits will give you good weed. You might not be the next Instagram star but you'll be smoking your own stash.
Since switching them to flower I let them be on their own but I was increasing the light too much. They were beatiful and green and now they look like ***** lol... I think it's good genetics but I don't know a lot about that right now... This is something I have to learn... Most of you guys know a lot of strains and genetics and know which are good and which are not...

Usually EC going up means you need to lower EC. They are drinking more than eating. You want them close to equal.
Yes I know. Before they were eating very good and were healthy and green. I was feeding at 2.3 and the EC always was stable or a little bit lower the next watering so everything was perfect. Until two weeks into flower they stopped eating completely and I was only feeding water since then... I tried to lower the EC but it was always climbing again except for 2-3 times in that period. When the EC was dropping I thought it's over now and they are eating again but the next day it was raising again... So yeah the feeding was perfect until 2 weeks into flower... Maybe this was the point where they had enough of the light and stopped eating because of too much stress. idk.

No higher than 1000 actually. I use a cheap quantum PAR meter and can quickly dial it in. No guessing. No math operations or conversions using white paper or anything else. Measure it. Set it.
Ok so you also say to not go over 1000 ppfd without added co2... I think I was way over that. What ppfd meter do you use? I thought they are very expensive?
 

hotrodharley

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I've already answered this thread some hours ago but somehow my reply is not here. Anyway I will do it again.


True...


Ok wow so you are halfway through flower but still not at 100%... Looks like I have to be careful will the dimmer lol.


Since switching them to flower I let them be on their own but I was increasing the light too much. They were beatiful and green and now they look like ***** lol... I think it's good genetics but I don't know a lot about that right now... This is something I have to learn... Most of you guys know a lot of strains and genetics and know which are good and which are not...


Yes I know. Before they were eating very good and were healthy and green. I was feeding at 2.3 and the EC always was stable or a little bit lower the next watering so everything was perfect. Until two weeks into flower they stopped eating completely and I was only feeding water since then... I tried to lower the EC but it was always climbing again except for 2-3 times in that period. When the EC was dropping I thought it's over now and they are eating again but the next day it was raising again... So yeah the feeding was perfect until 2 weeks into flower... Maybe this was the point where they had enough of the light and stopped eating because of too much stress. idk.


Ok so you also say to not go over 1000 ppfd without added co2... I think I was way over that. What ppfd meter do you use? I thought they are very expensive?
Check Amazon. Mine is close to the Hydrofarm unit. I’ve checked it under 5 different LEDs against the Apogee $700 unit. The differences are so small under lights at 100% power that I would buy the same thing again.
 

DancesWithWeeds

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I have to grin every time I see someone this worried about seeds. In the early 1970's we used to use a pie pan to separate the the seeds out. We would pan them just like panning for gold. It could be as much 1/3 seeds and stems. But, there was nothing wrong (at least for brick weed) with it.

Weed doesn't always have to be that perfect to be enjoyable. Eat a big juicy hamburger instead of a rib eye stake.
 

RookieMuffin

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Check Amazon. Mine is close to the Hydrofarm unit. I’ve checked it under 5 different LEDs against the Apogee $700 unit. The differences are so small under lights at 100% power that I would buy the same thing again.
Ok thank you I will check it out.

I have to grin every time I see someone this worried about seeds. In the early 1970's we used to use a pie pan to separate the the seeds out. We would pan them just like panning for gold. It could be as much 1/3 seeds and stems. But, there was nothing wrong (at least for brick weed) with it.

Weed doesn't always have to be that perfect to be enjoyable. Eat a big juicy hamburger instead of a rib eye stake.
Yeah it's also due to the shi* in the internet... Everywhere you look they say stop seeds in weed because you will loose potency and so on... And that it is a very bad thing and so on... So maybe that's why people always worry about that...

Fuck it you gus helped me in terms of worriing about that shit now lol... Better put my energy in reviving my almost dead plants LOL
 

RookieMuffin

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This is a plant I intentionally seeded with pollen. It looks and smells just as good as it's bigger sibling that wasn't. I can't say on the potency for a month or so but I'm excited to find out.
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Looks good to be honest even seeded. Looks potent to lol!

Why are the petioles purple? My petioles were purple too when the plant was healthy and it's hard to find good info. A lot of times they say it's deficiencies but mine were perfectly healthy with purple petioles and I was wondering why... Do you know why? And if there is anything to worry about purple petioles?
 

FirstCavApache64

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Looks good to be honest even seeded. Looks potent to lol!

Why are the petioles purple? My petioles were purple too when the plant was healthy and it's hard to find good info. A lot of times they say it's deficiencies but mine were perfectly healthy with purple petioles and I was wondering why... Do you know why? And if there is anything to worry about purple petioles?
I used to really worry about that when I first switched to a new LED and started seeing them but a lot of times I've seen it's a light reaction like a sunburn. If it's on the top of the stem and not the bottom half I chalk it up to light burn. If it's all over the stem it could be genetics or a deficiency. I pay attention to it when I'm running a new strain but if they look healthy otherwise I just let it go. My Motorbreath 15 has purple streaks in the main stem and purple stems but that seems to be genetics as it's shown in veg even with lower light.
 

RookieMuffin

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Ok I see. Mine had the same things. Streaks on main stem and purple petioles... But otherwise they looked healthy so yeah it might be a genetic thing with this strain too...

Thanks!

One plant looks like she is eating again! And she is eating a lot lol. EC is dropping a lot so I'm raising it now at 1.9 it looks stable/falling slowly.

The other not that much... but ec is not rising so it's a better than before where the EC was rising constantly... I'll wait a little longer maybe she needs more time to recover than the other plant.

I even think the one plant that is already eating is also growing too... but maybe that's just in my head... She is eating thats the most important thing!
 
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