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GreenleafNutrients

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Wastei said:
I still don't understand why you would willingly put organic inputs in a hydroponic plant food? Added bulk? Separately it makes way more sense, to let the user choose what to do.

I guess you sell more part A with the new formula and ratios? You have to use more of it to achieve the same nutrient ratios as classical and proven 3-2-1 with 5-12-26, 15-0-0 and Epsom salt.

Any chance you will release a clean version without all the dirty organics?
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listen its gunna be hard to have a conversation with you if you aren't actually reading the responses we have put down, keep repeating yourself and making wild claims. 8-12-28 is more concentrated than 5-12-26, so you would use less not more. Its actually the opposite of what you are claiming.

edit: we will send you a free sample as soon as the new formula is available. You can test it yourself to see if you like it!
 
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Wastei

Wastei

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GreenleafNutrients said:
listen its gunna be hard to have a conversation with you if you aren't actually reading the responses we have put down, keep repeating yourself and making wild claims. 8-12-28 is more concentrated than 5-12-26, so you would use less not more. Its actually the opposite of what you are claiming.

edit: we will send you a free sample as soon as the new formula is available. You can test it yourself to see if you like it!
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Ditto. You didn't read my comment. New formula is more concentrated in N and K and as a result you need to use less part B and more of part A to achieve the same mineral ratios.

I'm more than willing to try a free sample, you're still the best alternative in EU. I just personally think you're going in the wrong direction. I see it as an "easy fix" and I think you can do better changes to improve your formula! Cheers!
 
GreenleafNutrients

GreenleafNutrients

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Wastei said:
Ditto. You didn't read my comment. New formula is more concentrated in N and K and as a result you need to use less part B and more of part A to achieve the same mineral ratios.

I'm more than willing to try a free sample, you're still the best alternative in EU. I just personally think you're going in the wrong direction. I see it as an "easy fix" and I think you can do better changes to improve your formula! Cheers!
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Unfortunately we got kind of screwed in EU now. We invested a lot previous in UK distribution which could service all of Europe, but after Brexit we are now cut off from being able to export from UK to Europe, which means we have to establish an entire new presence inside EU which we are working on now.

So we won't have direct stock available for local EU shipping until probably mid-late summer 2023 unfortunately . We can export however from USA, which just means shipping costs will be higher unfortunately.

As far as using more of Part A/B, I understand your point now. The total used fertilizer needed overall will be lower, because the Part A will be more concentrated, however the ratios of A/B will be changed which is correct in what you are saying. This is a slight trade off, the alternative way around this is to simply make a 3 or 4 part nutrient formula, which then becomes excessively more complex managing 3-4 total products just to provide a base feeding, compared to 2 part now.

Also, a benefit of our 2 part system now (same with Jacks), is the Part B can be used interchangably with Calcium Nitrate, which means you don't have to buy our particular branding if you don't want to for the Part B. We find this will be much more consumer friendly, instead of an all proprietary Part 1, 2, 3, 4 which requires you to purchase from the same company, you can simply buy locally or from whatever company you want.
 
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Treesomewanted77

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higher self said:
I started buying Envy Plant Foods off Amazon it's a 5-12-26 like Jacks, with a bit less sulfur & mag. Cheaper than Jacks & Mega Crop as well.
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I know this is a little older post but I have to correct it. I can only find the envy in 3.0lb bags for 19 bucks so to add up to a 25lb bag like you get of mega crop it’s 157 bucks. That’s way more than both 25lb bags of partA and B put together. I got my mega crop like a year ago for under a 100 bucks for both 25lb bags. If you can get the envy in bulk then maybe there is a big price difference but I could only find it in 3.0lb bags even on the envy website.
 
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GreenleafNutrients

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The Envy 5-12-26 is not an identical Jacks clone, but the main NPK claims to be identical and it seems sufficient overall as a quality formula.

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note, our price for the 5-12-26 25lb bag is around $72.50 with free shipping and coupon. That's $2.9/lb only. So the Envy cost per unit is indeed over double.
 
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higher self

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Treesomewanted77 said:
I know this is a little older post but I have to correct it. I can only find the envy in 3.0lb bags for 19 bucks so to add up to a 25lb bag like you get of mega crop it’s 157 bucks. That’s way more than both 25lb bags of partA and B put together. I got my mega crop like a year ago for under a 100 bucks for both 25lb bags. If you can get the envy in bulk then maybe there is a big price difference but I could only find it in 3.0lb bags even on the envy website.
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Lol I switched to Maxibloom
 
Snowback

Snowback

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GreenleafNutrients said:
hi guys :D Yes, its true, we are updating the Part A formula upcoming, should be available late May. It will still be compatible with 5-12-26 formula, but we improved it a bit to be focused more for cannabis with the NPKs, also increased solubility (for those super high injector concentrate systems), and are adding in our top of the line Seaweed Extract at a heafty 2% content as well for organic/natural hormone benefits. Also increased pH stability. This is kind of our answer to Athena and Advanced Nutrients Pro line which seem to be really popular lately. The PK ratio optimized for Cannabis as well

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Thanks for the update. I wonder if you might be willing to comment on the amino-chelated calcium. I see it in the ingredients but I don't see it listed as a percentage in the guaranteed analysis. It was the same with my current version as well. I've always been curious about this.
Thanks and looking forward to trying the new mix.
 
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Wastei

Wastei

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GreenleafNutrients said:
Unfortunately we got kind of screwed in EU now. We invested a lot previous in UK distribution which could service all of Europe, but after Brexit we are now cut off from being able to export from UK to Europe, which means we have to establish an entire new presence inside EU which we are working on now.

So we won't have direct stock available for local EU shipping until probably mid-late summer 2023 unfortunately . We can export however from USA, which just means shipping costs will be higher unfortunately.

As far as using more of Part A/B, I understand your point now. The total used fertilizer needed overall will be lower, because the Part A will be more concentrated, however the ratios of A/B will be changed which is correct in what you are saying. This is a slight trade off, the alternative way around this is to simply make a 3 or 4 part nutrient formula, which then becomes excessively more complex managing 3-4 total products just to provide a base feeding, compared to 2 part now.

Also, a benefit of our 2 part system now (same with Jacks), is the Part B can be used interchangably with Calcium Nitrate, which means you don't have to buy our particular branding if you don't want to for the Part B. We find this will be much more consumer friendly, instead of an all proprietary Part 1, 2, 3, 4 which requires you to purchase from the same company, you can simply buy locally or from whatever company you want.
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You didn't answer what you think is the reason Jacks being able to sell a pH stable 5-12-26 product? Instead you try to say that you need 3-4 different product to accomplish the same result when in fact your competition already do this successfully?

Maybe it's their lack of organic inputs like soy isolate? I would love to see your internal troubleshooting and tests regarding pH stability.
 
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GreenleafNutrients

GreenleafNutrients

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Wastei said:
Maybe it's their lack of organic inputs like soy isolate?
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We don't put "soy isolate" in our products lol. Again, its you just making up random stuff to accuse, and being super combative and hostile. Our 2 part also is pretty pH stable, that hasn't been an issue at all for this product group.
 
Snowback

Snowback

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GreenleafNutrients said:
We don't put "soy isolate" in our products lol. Again, its you just making up random stuff to accuse, and being super combative and hostile. Our 2 part also is pretty pH stable, that hasn't been an issue at all for this product group.
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Are you willing to address my question? I've been very respectful.

I wonder if you might be willing to comment on the amino-chelated calcium. I see it in the ingredients but I don't see it listed as a percentage in the guaranteed analysis. It was the same with my current version as well. I've always been curious about this.
Thanks and looking forward to trying the new mix.
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rkymtnman said:
@GreenleafNutrients so i got a sample bag from you guys way back when you were first coming out. just out of curiousity, what has changed the most from formula 1.0 until this latest formula? do you guys test in house on cannabis plants?
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Hello, a few updates have been made. Here is the latest label for the One Part 1682490934983.png

Snowback said:
Are you willing to address my question? I've been very respectful.
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yes, the Calcium Chelate is under 0.5% for Mega Crop I believe currently
 
Wastei

Wastei

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GreenleafNutrients said:
We don't put "soy isolate" in our products lol. Again, its you just making up random stuff to accuse, and being super combative and hostile. Our 2 part also is pretty pH stable, that hasn't been an issue at all for this product group.
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I don't think it's to much to ask for you to be fully transparent and make a completely list of ALL your ingredients as percentages? Then I don't have to make assumptions. You list minerals but not aminos as % for unknown reasons.
 
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