Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 44 28.0%
  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 41 26.1%
  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 72 45.9%

  • Total voters
    157

Roger A. Shrubber

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Joe should tell him privately he will order the immediate closing of the mine and power plant and bankrupt the companies wiping out the shareholders, if America goes down, Joe will take this fucker and his buddies down with it and they will go down first.
I'm pretty sure that Biden can't just order a mine shut down because he doesn't like who they do business with. He could order a complete investigation of the mine and it's connection with manchin's business, though...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I'm pretty sure that Biden can't just order a mine shut down because he doesn't like who they do business with. He could order a complete investigation of the mine and it's connection with manchin's business, though...
I think he can and has this power, let them sue the government to prevent it and I guess we will find out. However, Manchin holds the balance of power in the senate and would probably cross the floor, so it would be off the table for practical reasons, like Chuck being majority leader and not Mitch.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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How Sodium-Ion Batteries May Challenge Lithium

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Lithium-ion batteries are king. They are ubiquitous in everything from consumer electronics to electric vehicles. They are even used to store excess renewable energy. But demand for the critical minerals needed to make lithium-ion batteries is predicted to outstrip supply. That, combined with cost considerations and concerns over energy security are leading companies to consider alternative battery chemistries. One of the most promising is the sodium-ion battery. But there are challenges ahead since sodium batteries are larger and have a lower energy density than lithium-ion batteries.

Chinese battery giant CATL recently announced that it would supply automaker Chery, with sodium-ion batteries for its EVs. Other battery companies like SVOLT and French-based startup, Tiamat, are pursuing similar technology. CNBC spoke to two such companies, California-based Natron Energy and UK-based Faradion, about their plans to commercialize sodium-ion batteries and the technology’s place in the evolving battery market.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It all adds up globally to reduced demand for gasoline and more petroleum can be refined into diesel and jet fuel lowering the price for both. However, consumers won't see any savings as taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel will increase to encourage continued conversion to EVs. It will mean a much lower demand of NG and petroleum that will cause the price producer nations receive will decrease in a decade.

This is very attractive to many countries that import oil and they can replace much of the generation of electricity by solar and wind inside their borders or economic regions. Places like India can take advantage of solar and wind to generate a substantial percentage of the energy needs, all that is required is cheap grid scale storage.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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We will still have gas or jet fueled gas turbine generating stations, but they will be used less as time goes on and only come online when the sun doesn't shine, or the wind doesn't blow. We can supply most of our needs with wind and solar along with cheap grid storage, many suburban and rural homes can be pretty well self-sufficient most of the time with cheap solar and battery storage. That would include heating and cooling with heat pumps and transportation with an EV.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I don't post much on fusion generally, however, these guys signed a contract with penalties! According to a press release, "The plant is expected to be online by 2028 and will target power generation of 50 MW or greater after a 1-year ramp up period." They have a unique design that uses pulses of fusion and pushes back on the magnetic confinement field so that more energy can be extracted than is put into the system. It does not convert fusion energy into heat to power a steam turbine, but extracts power directly from the magnetic confinement field as it pulses. I read about this before and was somewhat skeptical, too good to be true it appeared, however a Microsoft contract with penalties and a 2028 deadline caught my attention!


 

DIY-HP-LED

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Top 5 Solar Energy Advances Using Perovskites

For years, perovskite solar cells have promised revolutionary improvements compared to traditional silicon solar panels. Perovskite could hold the key to higher efficiency at lower costs and in some cases has shown a 250% performance boost. But scientists have been working on improving this solar energy tech since the 1990s. What do we have to show for it today? This feels like yet another piece of over-hyped, planet-saving tech, perpetually 10 years away from adoption, right? Maybe not … they might finally be on the market before the end of this year. Let’s look at 5 perovskite solar panel advances since the last time we talked about it.
 

Sickofitall420247

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We will still have gas or jet fueled gas turbine generating stations, but they will be used less as time goes on and only come online when the sun doesn't shine, or the wind doesn't blow. We can supply most of our needs with wind and solar along with cheap grid storage, many suburban and rural homes can be pretty well self-sufficient most of the time with cheap solar and battery storage. That would include heating and cooling with heat pumps and transportation with an EV.
Except batteries are still very expensive.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Except batteries are still very expensive.
They are about to get a Helluva lot cheaper, there are lots of battery factories springing up all over North America and there are several different kinds coming out now and in the very near future with breakthroughs happening around the world weekly. Batteries used for home power storage will be different than those used in EVs and batteries used for grid storage will be different as well. The next 5 years will see some big changes and within a decade there will be mostly electric cars sold and on the road in many places.
 

Fogdog

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Except batteries are still very expensive.
To power a home. If you have access to the grid, you don't need to store it. Generating power only to stuff it into storage is very inefficient. If on the grid, it's just a matter of time before breaking even with solar power. In oregon, BET is 7 to 13 years, depending on whether or not one's system gets a tax break.

If you are off the grid, solar and batteries vs a diesel generator? I'm not willing to do the math. Are you off the grid? Have you looked into the options?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Say goodbye to the US car market as we know it: Cheap Chinese EVs are coming

  • Chinese brands have the mastered quality and affordability of electric vehicles.
  • After years of eyeing the American market, Chinese brands are poised to arrive in the US.
  • A managing director said the competition from Chinese brands was "very, very real."
After years of preparation, Chinese car companies are poised to upend the US electric-vehicle market.

Industry watchers say it's only a matter of time before Chinese automakers bring their impressive — and importantly, inexpensive — electric cars to the US. After years of threatening to set up shop in America, the companies are closer than ever to making the move.

On their home turf, Chinese companies have already vanquished their American competitors, eating up market share from the likes of Ford and General Motors by offering better quality and less expensive electric cars for shoppers. They've started exporting a slew of brands to Europe too.

As Chinese car-industry leaders like Nio and Geely eye a move to the States, the question is whether they can overcome political frictions – and whether American buyers will go along for the ride?

"It's going to be an interesting couple of years ahead to see whether Ford and GM and the like can stave off that Chinese competition coming in," Martin French, a managing director at the consultancy Berylls, said. "From what we saw at the Shanghai auto show this year, that competition is very, very real."

China's EV industry has exploded in recent years. In 2022, US EV sales hit a new high of 800,000, while Chinese buyers snapped up some 5 million electric passenger vehicles. After years unchallenged, Tesla is about to lose its crown as the world's largest EV maker to a Chinese company, BYD.

Toyota, Hyundai, and now BYD
In the 1970s, Japanese car companies like Toyota and Honda swooped in with affordable and fuel-efficient vehicles that knocked US carmakers on their heels. More recently, Hyundai, Kia, and other Korean brands have been eating Ford and GM's lunch on SUVs.

History may repeat itself. Chinese EV manufacturers can gain a foothold in the US by coming in at a budget price point, analysts said.

"Is it possible for Chinese companies to do what others have done before, only now with electric vehicles? The answer is absolutely," Bill Russo, a former Chrysler executive and the CEO of Automobility, a Shanghai-based advisory firm, told Insider. "Who doesn't want affordable vehicles?"

But as political tensions between China and the US intensify, entry into the American market could be more painful for China than it was for Japan or Korea. In addition to general anxieties from consumers who may be less likely to support a Chinese brand, analysts said, lawmakers are likely to apply more scrutiny to any Chinese company with plans to operate in the US.

A Trump-era import tariff of 27.5% remains in effect on Chinese cars, while the Biden administration's new tax credits for EV purchases favor vehicles built in North America with battery components that don't come from China.

China is winning on prices
American brands — including Tesla — have been promising a long-range EV option priced at or below $30,000 for years. But progress has been slow and sometimes regressive. GM plans to cancel the Bolt EV, America's cheapest EV, by the end of 2023 and use that factory to build pricey electric pickups instead.

Meanwhile, Chinese brands are unmatched in affordability on their home turf and in Europe.

One of China's most popular EVs is the Wuling Hong Guang Mini, a minuscule city car that costs roughly $5,000. At the Shanghai auto show last month, BYD launched the Seagull, a stylish, pint-sized hatchback with an estimated range of 190 miles. Its starting price? Under $11,000.

Tu Le, the managing director of Sino Auto Insights, a consulting firm that specializes in the Chinese auto industry, said Chinese firms weren't skimping on quality for the sake of affordability.

"They have the products to back it up," he said. "I've driven a number of the Chinese EV brands, and boy oh boy, the Europeans are in trouble."

But Chinese domination won't happen overnight
Even when Chinese brands do hit American shores, it won't happen all at once. These companies are likely to test the waters with low-volume launches and study the market before diving in fully. Of the dozens of brands that may want a slice of the pie, only a few would be able to sell in the US at any significant volume, Le said.

The carmakers most likely to break through first would be those that already had a global presence, Russo said: Geely and BYD. (BYD's CEO recently said that the company had a small commercial-vehicle footprint in the US but that it wasn't currently eyeing the American passenger-car market.)

Polestar, a Swedish EV brand owned by Geely and Volvo, already imports from China. The EV startup Nio has announced plans to enter the US by 2025.

The next step: Set up manufacturing in North America, which Le said Chinese firms could do once they snagged a foothold in the market. He said that the sheer size of the US car market meant new entrants would need to build locally to compete seriously in the long term.

"Americans think the tidal wave is coming from Silicon Valley. It's not," Le said. "It's coming from both directions."
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member

Say goodbye to the US car market as we know it: Cheap Chinese EVs are coming

  • Chinese brands have the mastered quality and affordability of electric vehicles.
  • After years of eyeing the American market, Chinese brands are poised to arrive in the US.
  • A managing director said the competition from Chinese brands was "very, very real."
After years of preparation, Chinese car companies are poised to upend the US electric-vehicle market.

Industry watchers say it's only a matter of time before Chinese automakers bring their impressive — and importantly, inexpensive — electric cars to the US. After years of threatening to set up shop in America, the companies are closer than ever to making the move.

On their home turf, Chinese companies have already vanquished their American competitors, eating up market share from the likes of Ford and General Motors by offering better quality and less expensive electric cars for shoppers. They've started exporting a slew of brands to Europe too.

As Chinese car-industry leaders like Nio and Geely eye a move to the States, the question is whether they can overcome political frictions – and whether American buyers will go along for the ride?

"It's going to be an interesting couple of years ahead to see whether Ford and GM and the like can stave off that Chinese competition coming in," Martin French, a managing director at the consultancy Berylls, said. "From what we saw at the Shanghai auto show this year, that competition is very, very real."

China's EV industry has exploded in recent years. In 2022, US EV sales hit a new high of 800,000, while Chinese buyers snapped up some 5 million electric passenger vehicles. After years unchallenged, Tesla is about to lose its crown as the world's largest EV maker to a Chinese company, BYD.

Toyota, Hyundai, and now BYD
In the 1970s, Japanese car companies like Toyota and Honda swooped in with affordable and fuel-efficient vehicles that knocked US carmakers on their heels. More recently, Hyundai, Kia, and other Korean brands have been eating Ford and GM's lunch on SUVs.

History may repeat itself. Chinese EV manufacturers can gain a foothold in the US by coming in at a budget price point, analysts said.

"Is it possible for Chinese companies to do what others have done before, only now with electric vehicles? The answer is absolutely," Bill Russo, a former Chrysler executive and the CEO of Automobility, a Shanghai-based advisory firm, told Insider. "Who doesn't want affordable vehicles?"

But as political tensions between China and the US intensify, entry into the American market could be more painful for China than it was for Japan or Korea. In addition to general anxieties from consumers who may be less likely to support a Chinese brand, analysts said, lawmakers are likely to apply more scrutiny to any Chinese company with plans to operate in the US.

A Trump-era import tariff of 27.5% remains in effect on Chinese cars, while the Biden administration's new tax credits for EV purchases favor vehicles built in North America with battery components that don't come from China.

China is winning on prices
American brands — including Tesla — have been promising a long-range EV option priced at or below $30,000 for years. But progress has been slow and sometimes regressive. GM plans to cancel the Bolt EV, America's cheapest EV, by the end of 2023 and use that factory to build pricey electric pickups instead.

Meanwhile, Chinese brands are unmatched in affordability on their home turf and in Europe.

One of China's most popular EVs is the Wuling Hong Guang Mini, a minuscule city car that costs roughly $5,000. At the Shanghai auto show last month, BYD launched the Seagull, a stylish, pint-sized hatchback with an estimated range of 190 miles. Its starting price? Under $11,000.

Tu Le, the managing director of Sino Auto Insights, a consulting firm that specializes in the Chinese auto industry, said Chinese firms weren't skimping on quality for the sake of affordability.

"They have the products to back it up," he said. "I've driven a number of the Chinese EV brands, and boy oh boy, the Europeans are in trouble."

But Chinese domination won't happen overnight
Even when Chinese brands do hit American shores, it won't happen all at once. These companies are likely to test the waters with low-volume launches and study the market before diving in fully. Of the dozens of brands that may want a slice of the pie, only a few would be able to sell in the US at any significant volume, Le said.

The carmakers most likely to break through first would be those that already had a global presence, Russo said: Geely and BYD. (BYD's CEO recently said that the company had a small commercial-vehicle footprint in the US but that it wasn't currently eyeing the American passenger-car market.)

Polestar, a Swedish EV brand owned by Geely and Volvo, already imports from China. The EV startup Nio has announced plans to enter the US by 2025.

The next step: Set up manufacturing in North America, which Le said Chinese firms could do once they snagged a foothold in the market. He said that the sheer size of the US car market meant new entrants would need to build locally to compete seriously in the long term.

"Americans think the tidal wave is coming from Silicon Valley. It's not," Le said. "It's coming from both directions."
It's about time American manufacturers got some incentive to make their prices more realistic.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

Well-Known Member
more warming

I think it's getting to the point where citizens are going to have to do something about the oil industry, and republicans raping the earth for profit.
I'm not even an environmentalist, and i saw at least a decade ago that we were stepping into deep shit.
I'm not a fucking genius, if i can see this, anyone who doesn't have a motive to delude themselves can see it too.
This is just another thing that makes me think at least 50% of the planet are not only a waste of fresh air, they're wasting everyone else's air, too.
 
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