Craft blend bas Info

2cent

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On craft blend it says “all equal by weight”
does that mean each of the 15 ingredients is added to the mix up to the 8.3oz equal so 0.55oz each ? Or have I read that wrong ? I wanna make it as not avalible here so is that the ratios ? Or am I reading it wrong


Craft Blend weighs about 8.3 Ounces per cup

Ingredients all Equal by Weight:

  1. Thorvin Premium Kelp Meal
  2. Wild Flax Seed Meal
  3. Alfalfa Meal
  4. BuildASoil Organic High P Bran
  5. Camelina Meal
  6. Crustacean Meal
  7. Fish Meal
  8. 3x Fish Bone Meal
  9. Soybean Meal
  10. Sul-Po-Mag (Also Known as K-Mag or Langbeinite)
  11. Organic Malted Barley
  12. Volcanic Tuff
  13. Micronized Basalt - Blue Ridge Meta
  14. Gypsum
  15. Oyster Flour
 

Kamau42

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On craft blend it says “all equal by weight”
does that mean each of the 15 ingredients is added to the mix up to the 8.3oz equal so 0.55oz each ? Or have I read that wrong ? I wanna make it as not avalible here so is that the ratios ? Or am I reading it wrong


Craft Blend weighs about 8.3 Ounces per cup

Ingredients all Equal by Weight:

  1. Thorvin Premium Kelp Meal
  2. Wild Flax Seed Meal
  3. Alfalfa Meal
  4. BuildASoil Organic High P Bran
  5. Camelina Meal
  6. Crustacean Meal
  7. Fish Meal
  8. 3x Fish Bone Meal
  9. Soybean Meal
  10. Sul-Po-Mag (Also Known as K-Mag or Langbeinite)
  11. Organic Malted Barley
  12. Volcanic Tuff
  13. Micronized Basalt - Blue Ridge Meta
  14. Gypsum
  15. Oyster Flour
You're close. It's actually more like .49oz of each per cup since there's 3 X's the fish bone meal.
 

BeauVida

Member
It can’t seriously be that simple to copy and make up? Lol

Why not. This isn't some magic soil. You don't think it's an odd coincidence these inputs are needed in the same number. All their other mixes are equal by volume, right? Another odd coincidence.

I wouldn't waste your time trying to recreate anything from the youtuber realm. The "amend everything let God sort it out" approach is the most bro thing I've ever seen.. What you don't see is how bad his cannabis smokes and how many of his victims don't even make it to harvest. Buildasoil is a flip flopping clownshow. "We don't need to pinpoint or test in organics" "Oh but since Logan labs' pointless soil test is all the rage we'll jump on bandwagon to show you how cool we are".

Question any social media influencer who sells solid amendments with no microbes, yet preaches microbes and blames YOUR failures on YOUR microbes instead of infusing THEIR cheap waste stream products with THEIR microbes.

I'm justified in ripping these organics clowns that tell cancer patients attempting to grow their own medicines to dump barley on their dark blue-green plants all willy nilly. Barley flour has just as much N as Neem cake, yet they think it's only special enzymes and hormones. If you don't know that seed meals have NPK you shouldn't be running a fertilizer company or trying to teach anyone about fertilizers.

Clackamas Coot: "I can read labels!" OK but you can't Google the NPK of barely or crab shell. And none of your minions have thought to do so... Dark ass plants, yet these Clackamas Coot circus clowns preach against phosphorus and pour on more nitrogen continually. Then they don't distinguish between limestone or oyster shell. So I'm sure youre paying for calcium phosphate but getting limestone. You're paying for wet silica dirt, in the form basalt. No one will look up the chemical makeup of basalt I guess. It's silica, sand essentially. Then they'll sell you an extra bag of phosphorus and silica down the road, if Logan labs tells them to I guess. Which I'm fairly certain their test doesn't distinguish between available and bound P anyway, and doesn't even quantify silicate.

Organics is more and more like conventional everyday. Right now you can buy 100lbs of super phosphate and only 6lbs are plant available. Looking at these ingredients, anyone claiming "craft" organics best be doing H3 polyprotic acid (Haney) analysis. And they better have targets that make sense for Cannabis, as Cannabis is not a tomato. These dark ass buildasoil plants everywhere, with crusty margins and powdery mildew are getting hard to look at.
 

2cent

Well-Known Member
Why not. This isn't some magic soil. You don't think it's an odd coincidence these inputs are needed in the same number. All their other mixes are equal by volume, right? Another odd coincidence.

I wouldn't waste your time trying to recreate anything from the youtuber realm. The "amend everything let God sort it out" approach is the most bro thing I've ever seen.. What you don't see is how bad his cannabis smokes and how many of his victims don't even make it to harvest. Buildasoil is a flip flopping clownshow. "We don't need to pinpoint or test in organics" "Oh but since Logan labs' pointless soil test is all the rage we'll jump on bandwagon to show you how cool we are".

Question any social media influencer who sells solid amendments with no microbes, yet preaches microbes and blames YOUR failures on YOUR microbes instead of infusing THEIR cheap waste stream products with THEIR microbes.

I'm justified in ripping these organics clowns that tell cancer patients attempting to grow their own medicines to dump barley on their dark blue-green plants all willy nilly. Barley flour has just as much N as Neem cake, yet they think it's only special enzymes and hormones. If you don't know that seed meals have NPK you shouldn't be running a fertilizer company or trying to teach anyone about fertilizers.

Clackamas Coot: "I can read labels!" OK but you can't Google the NPK of barely or crab shell. And none of your minions have thought to do so... Dark ass plants, yet these Clackamas Coot circus clowns preach against phosphorus and pour on more nitrogen continually. Then they don't distinguish between limestone or oyster shell. So I'm sure youre paying for calcium phosphate but getting limestone. You're paying for wet silica dirt, in the form basalt. No one will look up the chemical makeup of basalt I guess. It's silica, sand essentially. Then they'll sell you an extra bag of phosphorus and silica down the road, if Logan labs tells them to I guess. Which I'm fairly certain their test doesn't distinguish between available and bound P anyway, and doesn't even quantify silicate.

Organics is more and more like conventional everyday. Right now you can buy 100lbs of super phosphate and only 6lbs are plant available. Looking at these ingredients, anyone claiming "craft" organics best be doing H3 polyprotic acid (Haney) analysis. And they better have targets that make sense for Cannabis, as Cannabis is not a tomato. These dark ass buildasoil plants everywhere, with crusty margins and powdery mildew are getting hard to look at.
Wow ok so really there fake fuckers throw in shit randomly ok hmm that’s a lot lol

right so what’s your true View on nutrition ?
in 2 years I learnt neem meal doesn’t kill bugs and can cause lung issues , so ditched that , kelp and crab contributed to my high salt levels so I ditched them ,
I use limestone pure not the dolo mix as the mg messes with soil a good soil should have plenty , I swapped the neem for alfalfa and the kelp I swapped normal ratios for microbeorganics recipie with a teaspoon in a mix as it stops fungal to begin with ,
I use barley and bran as there npk is really good I use em1 and labs , I Topdress chicken shit atm as a ca input and npk and use fish hydrolysate in my microbe tea

my plants are friggin huge and am gona flip I just don’t know if I need a Topdress everyone seems to use craft blend which I don’t like the mustard meal they use or Gia green

now his green I friggin love the look of inputwise but I can’t import it nor do they list their ratios even though you can buy each seperatly I can’t guess their 284 and 444 etc

guess my chicken shit 4-3-3 is good but I’m adding small amounts as I Don’t want to burn them pellet form,
I use gypsum also in soil as I believe in pushing ca in veg to enable pushing k in flower efficently

my stems are purple and light green so I know there hungry there getting there as my pots hydrate more they was dry and not swicking right


how do you feed /grow I’m interested after that big rant
 

weedstoner420

Well-Known Member
Fwiw, if you look at the label on any of the Espoma "Tone" products, they all have the same 7 ingredients - feather meal, poultry manure, bone meal, alfalfa meal, greensand, sulfate of potash, sulfate of potash magnesia. But most of the mixes have different NPK/Ca/Mg/S values, because those same 7 amendments are mixed in different ratios to tailor them to different types of plants.

IMO the Build A Soil thing of having the same amount of every ingredient seems kinda lazy and silly...
 
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2cent

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Fwiw, if you look at the label on any of the Espoma "Tone" products, they all have the same 7 ingredients - feather meal, poultry manure, bone meal, alfalfa meal, greensand, sulfate of potash, sulfate of potash magnesia. But most of the mixes have different NPK/Ca/Mg/S values, because those same 7 amendments are mixed in different ratios to tailor them to different types of plants.

IMO the Build A Soil thing of having the same amount of every ingredient seems kinda lazy and silly...
That’s what I thought seems a bit easy and random
ovwr here we seem to only sell grass fertilisers , elixir 7-7-7 and 8-6-11 and a grass company winter feed 3-10-5
they seem the closest to bio tone and gia green we have like their 2-8-4 bloom ?

the cannabis market ones all have neem and kelp or crap I don’t like lol eh Dr Forrest has 2-8-4 but he adds epsom otherwise it’s perfect but I won’t add Epsom to soil ever agailol
 
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weedstoner420

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That’s what I thought seems a bit easy and random
ovwr here we seem to only sell grass fertilisers , elixir 7-7-7 and 8-6-11 and a grass company winter feed 3-10-5
they seem the closest to bio tone and gia green we have like their 2-8-4 bloom ?

the cannabis market ones all have neem and kelp or crap I don’t like lol
Huh, nothing organic that's geared towards vegetable gardening? That's where I'd be looking as far as a decent cannabis fertilizer, but unfortunately I only know what's available in the US...
 

2cent

Well-Known Member
Huh, nothing organic that's geared towards vegetable gardening? That's where I'd be looking as far as a decent cannabis fertilizer, but unfortunately I only know what's available in the US...
Elixir has and a few liquids mainly ,if there is there I am blind to where to start like elixir has a lot of ferts but do I just match numbers close as poss? I don’t wanna throw a fert on n burn em or make em just grow greenery ha
 

weedstoner420

Well-Known Member
Elixir has and a few liquids mainly ,if there is there I am blind to where to start like elixir has a lot of ferts but do I just match numbers close as poss? I don’t wanna throw a fert on n burn em or make em just grow greenery ha
Eh, I feel like organic dry blends are a bit more forgiving than salts. As long as the NPK numbers are all between about 3 - 6 and you don't start with more than 2 or maximum 3 cups per cubic foot, you'll probably be okay. The Build A Soil blend probably works perfectly fine.

I mentioned the Espoma products because I use them, because the hardware store near me sells them. I mainly use their Tomato Tone during flower, but if I couldn't get that I also wouldn't hesitate to use any of their other blends for either veg or flower.
 

Medskunk

Well-Known Member
Been thinking to start a wormbin fed exclusively with PK ammendments. Fine crushed bones, bananas, comfrey. That could settle it 2cent:hump:
 

Tejashidrow

Well-Known Member
Eh, I feel like organic dry blends are a bit more forgiving than salts. As long as the NPK numbers are all between about 3 - 6 and you don't start with more than 2 or maximum 3 cups per cubic foot, you'll probably be okay. The Build A Soil blend probably works perfectly fine.

I mentioned the Espoma products because I use them, because the hardware store near me sells them. I mainly use their Tomato Tone during flower, but if I couldn't get that I also wouldn't hesitate to use any of their other blends for either veg or flower.
Espoma Biotone is the best underrated espoma product by far.
 

Week4@inCharge

Well-Known Member
Wow ok so really there fake fuckers throw in shit randomly ok hmm that’s a lot lol

right so what’s your true View on nutrition ?
in 2 years I learnt neem meal doesn’t kill bugs and can cause lung issues , so ditched that , kelp and crab contributed to my high salt levels so I ditched them ,
I use limestone pure not the dolo mix as the mg messes with soil a good soil should have plenty , I swapped the neem for alfalfa and the kelp I swapped normal ratios for microbeorganics recipie with a teaspoon in a mix as it stops fungal to begin with ,
I use barley and bran as there npk is really good I use em1 and labs , I Topdress chicken shit atm as a ca input and npk and use fish hydrolysate in my microbe tea

my plants are friggin huge and am gona flip I just don’t know if I need a Topdress everyone seems to use craft blend which I don’t like the mustard meal they use or Gia green

now his green I friggin love the look of inputwise but I can’t import it nor do they list their ratios even though you can buy each seperatly I can’t guess their 284 and 444 etc

guess my chicken shit 4-3-3 is good but I’m adding small amounts as I Don’t want to burn them pellet form,
I use gypsum also in soil as I believe in pushing ca in veg to enable pushing k in flower efficently

my stems are purple and light green so I know there hungry there getting there as my pots hydrate more they was dry and not swicking right


how do you feed /grow I’m interested after that big rant
Are you using Craft Blend (3-5-2) or are you just asking about it? Im asking because I'm currently using it and during veg my plants have never been better. I'm only 3-4 years into this hobby so open to everyone's insights.
 

2cent

Well-Known Member
Are you using Craft Blend (3-5-2) or are you just asking about it? Im asking because I'm currently using it and during veg my plants have never been better. I'm only 3-4 years into this hobby so open to everyone's insights.
I was asking about it before but thats p is way too high add sop or kelp to level it
 

Week4@inCharge

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I was asking about it before but thats p is way too high add sop or kelp to level it
I thought so too and have added a foliar kelp spray routine during veg. which has really done wonders. I use to run into problems after week 4 of flower now it's week 8 of flower so getting there.
 

2cent

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I thought so too and have added a foliar kelp spray routine during veg. which has really done wonders. I use to run into problems after week 4 of flower now it's week 8 of flower so getting there.
Foilar is good as kelp on soil adds too much salt I find so I stay sparingly on it
 

2cent

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yeah I'm just recently finding out that in organics you can still get a salt buildup which is insane because organics are supposed to be easy I guess not.
Yeah man coots mix till 5 I got a test sodium was meant to be 3 max and I had a 21 lol weekly kelp water routine lol

now I use my own fish and chicken shit low salt and there is still salts at base I can see form sometimes
 

Week4@inCharge

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Yeah man coots mix till 5 I got a test sodium was meant to be 3 max and I had a 21 lol weekly kelp water routine lol

now I use my own fish and chicken shit low salt and there is still salts at base I can see form sometimes
I was seeing this on my fabric pots with the ideal that it was from calcium deposits from my hard tap water. Now this sheds a new light as to something else that could have been causing a potential salt build up. Alright, gotta rethink what amendments to use now for the next cycle, thanks 2 Cents.
 
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