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DIY-HP-LED
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It is not a signal of economic power, but one of cultural leadership of the Slavic world, displacing Russia. There are gonna be a lot of Russians ending up in Ukraine and politics will be the main factor, not ethnicity or even language. Every Russian with a brain and ambition, including political dissidents will end up there eventually and so will lots of Russian radio and TV stations broadcasting into Russia with directed transmissions. Russians who want change at home will base themselves in Ukraine, or Belarus, if it becomes liberated. This is the future Vlad and his cronies really fear, the spread of western liberal democratic values that will mean the end of the Russian empire, as it has led to the end of others.
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cannabineer
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I’m not sure this is a good idea.
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DIY-HP-LED
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I don't believe it, what would be the point of supplying ICBMs used for nukes, Moscow is just 300 miles away from Ukraine and talk about the latest tech! They were reluctant to supply ATCMS and these are and order of magnitude more capable than those.I’m not sure this is a good idea.
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cannabineer
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It is confusing to me also. It is not a regionally useful weapon. And I don’t think a nonnuclear version has been developed. It’s like asking for some bug spray and hearing “all out, but here’s a pump shotgun instead”.
printer
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Who said it will not have nukes? I suggested many years ago that if Iran were to go nuclear that the US should rent out little red buttons to friendly countries in the area. No need for an arms race or to keep dangerous warheads in unstable areas of the world. Maintenance and upkeep is done by the US, no need to set up a new and costly program for the countries. Of course there will be a lockout on areas the missile would be allowed to hit (wink, wink) and states like Russia and North Korea will manage to determine this by 'accidentally' confirming this with their spy network.
cannabineer
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I’m operating from the premise that nuclear non-proliferation is a Good Thing.
As for containing Iran, France and Britain are close enough to supply ample deterrence.
There is also Israel , which is tight-lipped about its nuclear arsenal, but they have in-house thermonukes, missiles of tactical to strategic range, and at least two nuclear cruise missile subs.
It strikes me as more problem than solution. We have already guaranteed that Ukraine is under our nuclear deterrence umbrella. I see no benefit in giving them ICBMs.
DIY-HP-LED
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Once the Ukrainians drive the Russians from their land, these and other things will keep them out. I believe this war will end in Belarus though and it will consume whatever military Putin has left. It will maul his internal security forces stationed there who are good at suppressing peaceful protests, but the Belarussians will be armed when the time comes for a revolution and or coup. The Russian security police don't do very well when their opposition is armed and wants them dead, they were slaughtered in Ukraine during the first days of the war.
CANON_Grow
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I am not sure I believe the US did offer them as I couldn't any other articles about it; but is it possible the no strike agreement would be absolute and Ukraine would agree not to strike inside Russia with any weapons and not just the MM3? While Ukraine may be under American protection for nuclear deterrence right now, that could change depending on 2024. This would offer a long term deterrent regardless of 2024's outcome.
DIY-HP-LED
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Wagner founder faces "disaster" in Ukraine next week, ret. general predicts
Mark Hertling's warning comes after Yevgeny Prigozhin claimed his troops took control of Bakhmut over the weekend.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Vlad is worried about those fighters and so is Trump! When his usefulness to Putin is finished, he will throw Donald under the bus, but by then Donald will already be under the bus and another one won't matter much.
Donald has his head so far up Putin's ass he can taste what he had for lunch. Vlad's kompromat on Donald must be mighty indeed for him to fear Putin this much, considering the legal shit he is in and the amorality of his base, it must be really disgusting and involve video, of more than someone pissing on his face.
Donald has his head so far up Putin's ass he can taste what he had for lunch. Vlad's kompromat on Donald must be mighty indeed for him to fear Putin this much, considering the legal shit he is in and the amorality of his base, it must be really disgusting and involve video, of more than someone pissing on his face.
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DIY-HP-LED
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printer
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Not really serious, would be funny to watch the Saudi's freak out thinking there button was defective ("?You never thought we would really give you a working button, did you?")
DIY-HP-LED
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I wonder how they feel about Russian imperialism and realize that without secret police the empire can never hold together. They need to realize the full implications of becoming a liberal democracy and to become free they must let go of the empire and controlling other people and states who don't want to be Russian.
DIY-HP-LED
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If true, this will cause panic in Moscow and a major redeployment of troops and resources. These guys could be pure poison to Vlad and might be able to persuade many others to join them in regime change as they head for Moscow building support as they go! The troops Vlad sends to deal with these people could end up joining them, if he sends internal security police, they will be slaughtered.
DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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This could be the future of Belarus too... Dunno if this is the beginning of the offensive or not, if it is, it is a fucking dandy!
Roger A. Shrubber
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Halle-fucking-lujah...
That has to be a tough decision for those men to have made. It really is good to know that there are some russians who know the truth, and can't live with it any longer, I was pretty convinced that a lifetime of party propaganda had turned the entire country into vodka soaked puppets.
I'm quite happy to be wrong about that.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/05/22/7403263/