Climate in the 21st Century
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cannabineer
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the ever-popular pastime of shooting the messenger.
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‘Murderers’ and ‘criminals’: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists | CNN
National weather services, meteorologists and climate communicators in countries from the US to Australia say they’re experiencing an increase in threats and abuse, often around accusations they are overstating, lying about or even controlling the weather.
printer
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We can fix that.the ever-popular pastime of shooting the messenger.
‘Murderers’ and ‘criminals’: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists | CNN
National weather services, meteorologists and climate communicators in countries from the US to Australia say they’re experiencing an increase in threats and abuse, often around accusations they are overstating, lying about or even controlling the weather.
DIY-HP-LED
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The foxnews election syndrome, they can't handle the truth! I'll bet not a single one of them making threats has a single share in an oil company or any stake in the energy market and won't be affected by the green transition at all.the ever-popular pastime of shooting the messenger.
‘Murderers’ and ‘criminals’: Meteorologists face unprecedented harassment from conspiracy theorists | CNN
National weather services, meteorologists and climate communicators in countries from the US to Australia say they’re experiencing an increase in threats and abuse, often around accusations they are overstating, lying about or even controlling the weather.
I do think that things like this should be seen as an opportunity rather than a problem, since we will always have such people, we can use it to identify them and put them on a domestic terrorist watch list or take other action against them if required. Making death threats for political purposes is a terrorist act and should be treated as such and it is a good way to scoop them up with proper policy. A mandatory mental exam would be helpful to society and perhaps to them too. In America being on such a list would prohibit them from possessing firearms and for those kinds of people that would be a major deterrent all on its own!
Fogdog
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Why get a psychiatrist involved in the process? Making a death threat for political purposes is an act that can be proven to be an objective fact through witnesses or evidence in the form of a written threat. There are already laws in place to charge and try people for doing that.
Agree that psychiatrist can help treat a person who would do something like that. I'd be inclined against using mental health professionals to catch people who are simply thinking about doing wrong. China can put people away for thought crimes but it's not really used for the public good.
DIY-HP-LED
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It should be useful in spotting a pattern of behavior, Stuart Rhodes who just got 18 years displayed classic insurrectionist symptoms, a need for action, but kinda fuzzy about the ends. I'm thinking that these people will be released one day, and it would be nice to have some statistical data points for predictive and possible therapeutic purposes, after they do their time. They, like sociopaths and narcissists are considered to have "character defects" under the law and are not mentally ill, but unlike some, they could perhaps be helped and future episodes avoided.
Death threats and such are causing real harm to democratic institutions, not just in America and everybody from politicians to election workers, healthcare providers and educators are suffering from the effects, even target has become a literal target. I believe this has been largely caused by the changes in communications technology and making such threats were much more difficult in the past. An amazing number are made by phone, email and social media and are easily traced to the source, since many of these assholes are also profoundly stupid.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Psychiatry is not a science. It has been famously politicized, not too long ago by the Soviets as a cover for the usual oppression. I very much mistrust any yoking of policy to such an undefined pursuit.
DIY-HP-LED
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It is a medical profession and thus considered science, it is increasingly being linked to physical evidence and deals more with neuropathology's. Much of the trauma induced fuckups are handled by psychologists and other such therapists using a variety of clinically validated methods like MBCT. It is not the fuzzyheaded stuff of the sixties and seventies; MRI and other scanning methods have made a huge difference. All science can be abused, even physics.
DIY-HP-LED
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We can fix that.
DIY-HP-LED
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cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Medicine and science are distinct.
DIY-HP-LED
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Is medical science an oxymoron?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
No. There are MD-Ph.D.s.
While there is overlap, the aims of science and medicine are subtly but importantly different. Science seeks to expand what is known. Medicine seeks to heal and soothe sick people, and to keep us healthy … in the words of the Adventists “to make man whole”. In this regard medicine is somewhat akin to engineering in that a beneficial result guides the work.
Psychiatry is focused more on the patient’s suffering than on methodical examination of the underlying principles, for which few reliable methods are documented. It is a discipline as distinct from a science.
It is also immensely corruptible, since it has a large subjective component that relies on the practitioner’s ethics. (Recall its abuse in “curing” homosexuality.) I look upon its application for social engineering (which imo is what you described) with great distrust.
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DIY-HP-LED
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There is no shortage of scientific fraud either and modern medicine is founded on science and doctors are trained in the scientific method and many are research scientists or participate in their studies, like with covid vaccines. Medicine however is also an art as well as a science and the relief to human suffering is its primary goal and that is accomplished best using scientific methodology. Psychiatry is a branch of both science and medicine and the brain is more complex and difficult to study than many aspects of the body, so it lagged behind a bit. However, you are ignoring the present state of the art and science to focus on the mistakes of the past and both science and medicine made plenty of those. Eugenics never had much to do with science, but it was an abuse of it and Darwin has been abused countless times for the purposes of human and social engineering.
DIY-HP-LED
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I don't have an issue with this kind of protest or the reasons for it and would like to see more protests of subsidies to fossil fuel companies and those subsidies used for renewable energy instead. Just don't damage or destroy our cultural heritage to make a point or get attention, it normalizes vandalism and soon others will do real harm to make their points.
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Extinction Rebellion protest in Netherlands ends with 1,500 arrested
Officers used water cannon to try to disperse the crowds at the Extinction Rebellion protest
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Roger A. Shrubber
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sometimes, you HAVE to do some real harm to get people to pull their heads out of their asses and notice what the fuck is going on...I don't have an issue with this kind of protest or the reasons for it and would like to see more protests of subsidies to fossil fuel companies and those subsidies used for renewable energy instead. Just don't damage or destroy our cultural heritage to make a point or get attention, it normalizes vandalism and soon others will do real harm to make their points.
Extinction Rebellion protest in Netherlands ends with 1,500 arrested
Officers used water cannon to try to disperse the crowds at the Extinction Rebellion protest
Our "cultural heritage" is horseshit, 90% of it is lies, designed to maintain the white supremacist status quo, and the other 10% seems to be monuments built to the other 90%.
cannabineer
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and here it comes.
Antarctic alarm bells: Observations reveal deep ocean currents are slowing earlier than predicted
Antarctica sets the stage for the world's greatest waterfall. The action takes place beneath the surface of the ocean. Here, trillions of tons of cold, dense, oxygen-rich water cascade off the continental shelf and sink to great depths. This Antarctic "bottom water" then spreads north along the...
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Sativied
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It's tough debating when people don't share the same facts. There was no vandalism in Rome, no cultural heritage was destroyed or damaged aside from the many sites in Italy that have been flooded but Twitter isn't outraged about. Conjecture about what things that didn’t happen could lead to has no place in this alarming reality.
What did happen is Italy's government cancelling a commitment to end the use of fossil fuel and opposes an EU measure to make all buildings more energy efficient - there hasn’t been a better reason to burn Rome to the ground for 1666 years (yikes).
The XR protest in NL was ended in a manner that violates constitutional and human rights as stated by highest court of EU, not an example to praise.
More climate vandals destroying cultural heritage?
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The world has ~7 years left to radically change its course and prevent reaching possibly a point of no return. To prevent death. Lots and lots of death. Actually, many scientists agree it’s already too late, we’ll exceed 1.5C warming. People heavily underestimate the impact that will have. On the only heritage that should matter at this point, the livability of the planet we pass on to younger generations. Some renowned were at that protest in NL, scientists gone activists because they hoped “this paper will finally open people’s eyes” in vain too many times. The more people go double down on their false claims and irrational ideas, the harder it becomes to change course and solve their cognitive dissonance with reason. We’re way beyond the point where unreason and contrarians and faux outrage should be dignified with more talking, governments need to act now. Appeasing the right and avoiding impopular drastic measures out of fear they right gains votes is an act if cowardice that‘ll be the end of us all.
What did happen is Italy's government cancelling a commitment to end the use of fossil fuel and opposes an EU measure to make all buildings more energy efficient - there hasn’t been a better reason to burn Rome to the ground for 1666 years (yikes).
The XR protest in NL was ended in a manner that violates constitutional and human rights as stated by highest court of EU, not an example to praise.
More climate vandals destroying cultural heritage?
Authorities try to determine why Venice canal turned green
Italian authorities are looking into the causes of the abnormal water pigmentation around the landmark Rialto Bridge.
The world has ~7 years left to radically change its course and prevent reaching possibly a point of no return. To prevent death. Lots and lots of death. Actually, many scientists agree it’s already too late, we’ll exceed 1.5C warming. People heavily underestimate the impact that will have. On the only heritage that should matter at this point, the livability of the planet we pass on to younger generations. Some renowned were at that protest in NL, scientists gone activists because they hoped “this paper will finally open people’s eyes” in vain too many times. The more people go double down on their false claims and irrational ideas, the harder it becomes to change course and solve their cognitive dissonance with reason. We’re way beyond the point where unreason and contrarians and faux outrage should be dignified with more talking, governments need to act now. Appeasing the right and avoiding impopular drastic measures out of fear they right gains votes is an act if cowardice that‘ll be the end of us all.
cannabineer
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what happened in AD 357? My history is a bit threadbare.It's tough debating when people don't share the same facts. There was no vandalism in Rome, no cultural heritage was destroyed or damaged aside from the many sites in Italy that have been flooded but Twitter isn't outraged about. Conjecture about what things that didn’t happen could lead to has no place in this alarming reality.
What did happen is Italy's government cancelling a commitment to end the use of fossil fuel and opposes an EU measure to make all buildings more energy efficient - there hasn’t been a better reason to burn Rome to the ground for 1666 years (yikes).
The XR protest in NL was ended in a manner that violates constitutional and human rights as stated by highest court of EU, not an example to praise.
More climate vandals destroying cultural heritage?
Authorities try to determine why Venice canal turned green
Italian authorities are looking into the causes of the abnormal water pigmentation around the landmark Rialto Bridge.
The world has ~7 years left to radically change its course and prevent reaching possibly a point of no return. To prevent death. Lots and lots of death. Actually, many scientists agree it’s already too late, we’ll exceed 1.5C warming. People heavily underestimate the impact that will have. On the only heritage that should matter at this point, the livability of the planet we pass on to younger generations. Some renowned were at that protest in NL, scientists gone activists because they hoped “this paper will finally open people’s eyes” in vain too many times. The more people go double down on their false claims and irrational ideas, the harder it becomes to change course and solve their cognitive dissonance with reason. We’re way beyond the point where unreason and contrarians and faux outrage should be dignified with more talking, governments need to act now. Appeasing the right and avoiding impopular drastic measures out of fear they right gains votes is an act if cowardice that‘ll be the end of us all.
DIY-HP-LED
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Now this is more like it, outrage sports fans instead of attacking art, even symbolically, it normalizes such behavior and others copying their actions won't be as considerate. Yep, climate change has reached a tipping point and when Europe's rivers dry up and the forests burn down in summer heat waves, it will make the most impact, but it's kinda late for real effects and stunts.
I remain focused mostly on solutions, assuming there are any because we won't stop using fossil fuels without alternatives. Without EVs and a green new grid powered by renewables and other sustainable technologies we will still be burning fossil fuels. It takes time to develop these technologies and industries, a decade at least to make any significant impact on carbon output.
Meanwhile they can disrupt football games and block highways, governments can do more and not give subsidies to fossil fuels. However, politicians respond to the electorate and it's a battle of hearts and minds and a majority of people must be persuaded for politicians to respond and lead. I'm not sure if attacking artwork or sporting events will illicit more hatred, sports fans can be a pretty spiteful bunch when their game is fucked with!
I remain focused mostly on solutions, assuming there are any because we won't stop using fossil fuels without alternatives. Without EVs and a green new grid powered by renewables and other sustainable technologies we will still be burning fossil fuels. It takes time to develop these technologies and industries, a decade at least to make any significant impact on carbon output.
Meanwhile they can disrupt football games and block highways, governments can do more and not give subsidies to fossil fuels. However, politicians respond to the electorate and it's a battle of hearts and minds and a majority of people must be persuaded for politicians to respond and lead. I'm not sure if attacking artwork or sporting events will illicit more hatred, sports fans can be a pretty spiteful bunch when their game is fucked with!