Examples of GOP Leadership
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Roger A. Shrubber
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that would be fine with me, my body is dead, and what spirit i may posses will be long gone, eat my corpse, fuck it, skin it and wear it, use it as fertilizer, i couldn't give a shit less if i tried. I will either be irrevocably deceased, or on an entirely different plane of existence.
GenericEnigma
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Haha, I love it! Reminds me of Klingons. A dead body is a meaningless, empty vessel.
I feel the same. My body goes to science so hungover medical students can poke at my shriveled - pancreas.
As such, I tend not to have an opinion on ancient burial grounds or sacred tombs (barring archaeological value). As a socialist, my tax money will go to whatever the majority decides. But I couldn't fucking care less about dead bodies.
Once we've figured it out, maybe we can finally put to rest how many angels fit on the head of a pin.
cannabineer
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I should bequeath my body to science as a warning.
Fogdog
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But you do understand the point I was making, don't you? The place we call Mt Rushmore holds symbolic significance to the first people in a more significant way than the people of the US hold Arlington cemetery and that's saying something. To deface those mountains with slaveholders and leaders of people who destroyed Native American societies was criminal. Maybe you don't respect symbols that people share in their culture but maybe you could respect the people who are part of that culture enough to at least acknowledge it.
DIY-HP-LED
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Arizona’s GOP Went All In on Trump’s Big Lie—Now It’s Broke
Losing elections, registered voters, and all its money hasn’t scared the Grand Canyon State’s Republican Party into acting normal and sane.
Roger A. Shrubber
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I grew up with several indian kids, i've known many adults. I respect them as a people, and don't openly ridicule them when they start on the sacred stuff, but i've been over it since i was a kid...I just get up and leave. I plan on offering them no support on any issue that a "sacred place" is the core of.
They should have better schools, better water, better health care, better representation...but their religion can go the same place all the rest of them can, straight to hell.
DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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There are many scared geographic features and how well they are protected depends on the power of the people who hold them as significant, many are extinct. Mount Fuji is scared to some Japanese as is the Temple mount in Jurusalem to several other religions, or Ayers rock in Australia to the natives there and we have sacred/cultural structures and icons too. Even if the significance of Mount Rushmore were recognized, the damage has been done long ago, it cannot be restored, and it would be harmful to destroy it. There are also telescopes in Hawaii on sacred mountains, should they be removed over the wishes of a few people?
Roger A. Shrubber
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Excuse me if i don't take the word of a fucking traitor, who has been working with a foreign government, and with seditious elements within our own government....
DIY-HP-LED
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Comer has both feet in his mouth, a Trumpian level fuckup. All this time he was after the DOJ and FBI crowing about his "whistle blower" they were laughing their asses off at the fool.
Dimes to donuts he's in Israel and they won't extradite him.
DIY-HP-LED
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They mention he was associated with a high US government official in the Trump administration but don't name who it is, think Comer will be curious about who it is? If the FBI can get this guy, he would rat them out for a deal, so the investigation is ongoing.
DIY-HP-LED
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Why Tommy Tuberville is "America's dumbest Senator" | The Warning with Steve Schmidt
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Steve Schmidt breaks down Tommy Tuberville's comments on CNN where he refused to call white nationalists racists. Steve breaks down how the former Auburn football coach is an embarrassment to the state of Alabama and is holding the US marine Corps hostage by refusing to advance military promotions.
Fogdog
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I wasn't talking about trying to restore it. Maybe it was too subtle for you but maybe we could just recognize what was done for what was without generalizing to the point where the point is lost. Maybe we should ask the people whose land was defaced what they recommend?
Its not up to me what should be done with telescopes on mountains in Hawaii. The Temple Mount -- what are you trying to say? That Israel should not interfere with Moslems worshiping there and Moslems should do same with Jews? If so, I agree.
BudmanTX
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DIY-HP-LED
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If it is their land by treaty and law, such that it is, they have rights, provided they can defend them. Like Roger I don't support religion, and this has elements of that here, but religion and culture are tightly linked. Their input should be sought and considered IMO and a reasonable fair accommodation reached. Tribes in Hawaii hold some mountains as sacred and they are currently occupied by telescopes, and it is a comparable situation to Rushmore. As for Israel and the middle east it is rather simple, multiple people want the same land and they are divided along religious and ethnic lines. There is sacred geography, that is a fact, but how sacred depends on how empowered the believers are.
Roger A. Shrubber
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Empowered in what way? legally? or spiritually?...because all the spirituality in the world won't get you shit, unless you're running a scam.
DIY-HP-LED
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Politically and that means legally in most cases, more so in the past than today though. Fanatical Christians have a lot of power in America but no longer make up a majority, nonetheless they are a powerful force in American politics. Religion counts and is tied to culture, our own and native cultures, it just that we have more power to make our (Historically Christian) beliefs count more than theirs. When Rushmore was built it was still the era of the residential schools in North America for Native children, where their language, culture and religion were beaten out of them for generations, so some sacred mountains meant little and so did treaties since they had no legal rights to enforce them.
It was like the massacre of black people in Tulsa and other places in the early 20th century, it was mass murder, but nobody cared, it didn't make the national papers and even if it did nobody would care and nobody was prosecuted. What chance did some Indians out in the middle of nowhere have back then. However, the spread of liberal democracy and with it the rule of law has given native peoples new hope in many countries including Canada, now with a modern constitution.
