Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 44 28.0%
  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 41 26.1%
  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 72 45.9%

  • Total voters
    157

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Incremental improvements, this innovation adds to the usefulness and longevity of Li-ion batteries and there was a recently announced one that changes the electrolyte they use to allow longer battery life, much better extreme temp performance and reduced flammability. I wonder how the new tape will do with that, or maybe the old PET tape will work better with the new formulation. No great equipment changes are required for either of these innovations to quickly have an impact on battery performance. Better batteries are on the way, and I suspect like solar, they will arrive faster and be cheaper than anybody expected, capitalism and competition are good for somethings and there is a lot of money involved here.

 

Jylhavuori

Active Member
Fighting the problem of the system with a product of the same system... green energy consepts...these make me wanna bulge my eyes out for that reason.

To mention the unheard choise to be made; apex must restrain itself for the lesser intelligence. We already fail within our own species.

as a man of science, this is a futile conversation IMHO
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Fighting the problem of the system with a product of the same system... green energy consepts...these make me wanna bulge my eyes out for that reason.

To mention the unheard choise to be made; apex must refrain itself for the lesser intelligence. We already fail within our own species.

as a man of science, this is a futile conversation IMHO
What do you expect 8 billion people to do, die? We are on a technological ride into the future with no getting off once the genie has been let out of the bottle. Technology got us into this shit, and it will get us out, no choice about that, if it doesn't a lot of people will die in the coming decades, a lot of people will any way, but maybe we can keep a lid on it. Technology goes back to using fire and later agriculture, you can no longer "check out" people do go back to the land, but they work themselves nearly to death just to survive and become postmodern peasants. Communities do better, but even they have a hard time of it. The industrial revolution never started in the 19th century it just accelerated then, it has been going on for a long time.

As for failing our own species, the better we live, and the more women are emancipated the lower our birth rate and population is expected to crash in 100 years or less. If we are still around as a global technological civilization in a couple of hundred years, there will be a Helluva lot less of us than there are today.
 

Jylhavuori

Active Member
What do you expect 8 billion people to do, die? We are on a technological ride into the future with no getting off once the genie has been let out of the bottle. Technology got us into this shit, and it will get us out, no choice about that, if it doesn't a lot of people will die in the coming decades, a lot of people will any way, but maybe we can keep a lid on it. Technology goes back to using fire and later agriculture, you can no longer "check out" people do go back to the land, but they work themselves nearly to death just to survive and become postmodern peasants. Communities do better, but even they have a hard time of it. The industrial revolution never started in the 19th century it just accelerated then, it has been going on for a long time.

As for failing our own species, the better we live, and the more women are emancipated the lower our birth rate and population is expected to crash in 100 years or less. If we are still around as a global technological civilization in a couple of hundred years, there will be a Helluva lot less of us than there are today.
Lots of conditions there... I don't expect anything more than the 3rd.

And you're right, we got no choise about what to Try.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Its the 3rd or close to no vertebrae. Choose wisely?
We are evolving politically (believe it or not) and technologically and are at the beginning of an energy revolution and over the next 20 years will convert from fossil fuels to other sources and energy storage. IMO extreme weather events will help to drive this change politically, not being able to get house insurance because of climate change brings the reality home for many. We have little choice in this moving forward and it's not just the west, China and India are or will be making serious efforts to go green, so will others. In 10 years, you won't be able to buy a new ICE light vehicle in most places, it will be mostly EVs sold. The car companies know this and are converting while the battery factories are springing up like mushrooms and the price of solar continues to drop with mass production, so will the cost of batteries.
 

Jylhavuori

Active Member
We are evolving politically (believe it or not) and technologically and are at the beginning of an energy revolution and over the next 20 years will convert from fossil fuels to other sources and energy storage. IMO extreme weather events will help to drive this change politically, not being able to get house insurance because of climate change brings the reality home for many. We have little choice in this moving forward and it's not just the west, China and India are or will be making serious efforts to go green, so will others. In 10 years, you won't be able to buy a new ICE light vehicle in most places, it will be mostly EVs sold. The car companies know this and are converting while the battery factories are springing up like mushrooms and the price of solar continues to drop with mass production, so will the cost of batteries.
It's always been the psychological issues that control the kind of locomotion we are talking here. Indeed we scale it down as it is the only way possible - semantics as we view segragation, cognitive dissonance and a load of other defects quite unsolvable until we all are koombayah on Tellus. The incoherence is immense to rely such logic. I rest my case, carry on. This wasn't any personal attack, consernes the thread.

Basis
(Hermeneutic circle)


In English: We are too stupid
 
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BudmanTX

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It's always been the psychological issues that control the kind of locomotion we are talking here. Indeed we scale it down as it is the only way possible - semantics as we view segragation, cognitive dissonance and a load of other defects quite unsolvable until we all are koombayah on Tellus. The incoherence is immense to rely such logic. I rest my case, carry on. This wasn't any personal attack, consernes the thread.

Basis
(Hermeneutic circle)


In English: We are too stupid
Interesting theory ya got there :bigjoint:
Gnostic man......hmm
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Cheap solar produced hydrogen can make green steel and steel making is a major carbon emitter and user of coal. Hydrogen when reacted with iron ore at moderately high temps produces iron sponge and water vapor as a biproduct. Iron sponge can then be further reduced in an electric furnace and made into steel. The process should be economical too and be able to compete with traditional steel making. A place like Australia with abundant iron ore and sunshine could become a future steel making center and be close to Asian markets too.

 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Fighting the problem of the system with a product of the same system... green energy consepts...these make me wanna bulge my eyes out for that reason.

To mention the unheard choise to be made; apex must restrain itself for the lesser intelligence. We already fail within our own species.

as a man of science, this is a futile conversation IMHO
What is your specialty?
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
It's always been the psychological issues that control the kind of locomotion we are talking here. Indeed we scale it down as it is the only way possible - semantics as we view segragation, cognitive dissonance and a load of other defects quite unsolvable until we all are koombayah on Tellus. The incoherence is immense to rely such logic. I rest my case, carry on. This wasn't any personal attack, consernes the thread.

Basis
(Hermeneutic circle)


In English: We are too stupid
Our technology is evolving faster than we can adapt socially it would appear, fast changing technology drives social change and there are more older people living longer lives these days. There is bound to be mostly generational conflict, and conflict among those who can grow and adapt as they age and those who cannot overcome their early conditioning and they can be used by others with nefarious intentions. Those who learn and grow tend to be liberal, those who do not tend to be conservative as they age, but some people start out as assholes and stay that way until they die.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Our technology is evolving faster than we can adapt socially it would appear, fast changing technology drives social change and there are more older people living longer lives these days. There is bound to be mostly generational conflict, and conflict among those who can grow and adapt as they age and those who cannot overcome their early conditioning and they can be used by others with nefarious intentions. Those who learn and grow tend to be liberal, those who do not tend to be conservative as they age, but some people start out as assholes and stay that way until they die.
I suspect conflict over resources (potable water, arable land) will emerge and perhaps dominate as the climate starts having seizures.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
I suspect conflict over resources (potable water, arable land) will emerge and perhaps dominate as the climate starts having seizures.
It's one of the reasons I reposted about those water condensing towers on the sea as a way out, but extreme weather would be hard on massive structures anchored into the seabed. Water means life and away for costal desert areas to grow more food, IMO it is an excellent idea that needs to be studied and exploited if found feasible.

I figure in 50 years few will be working because of technology and a hundred years after that there will be a lot fewer of us. It is getting from here to there that will be the issue, socially, politically, economically and environmentally, in that regard liberal democracy is our only hope for getting there IMO. Will we end up warehoused as useless mouths to feed by an ever-shrinking elite who will own everything? Or will we live lives of luxury and recreation in free societies with social justice for all.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It's one of the reasons I reposted about those water condensing towers on the sea as a way out, but extreme weather would be hard on massive structures anchored into the seabed. Water means life and away for costal desert areas to grow more food, IMO it is an excellent idea that needs to be studied and exploited if found feasible.

I figure in 50 years few will be working because of technology and a hundred years after that there will be a lot fewer of us. It is getting from here to there that will be the issue, socially, politically, economically and environmentally, in that regard liberal democracy is our only hope for getting there IMO. Will we end up warehoused as useless mouths to feed by an ever-shrinking elite who will own everything? Or will we live lives of luxury and recreation in free societies with social justice for all.
Coastal desert is not to be treated as “valueless until developed”. Some wonderful and fragile ecosystems are unique to these areas and deserve protection.

Also, first-world solutions like giant heat pump/condensers are not likely to help the poor half of our nations.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Coastal desert is not to be treated as “valueless until developed”. Some wonderful and fragile ecosystems are unique to these areas and deserve protection.

Also, first-world solutions like giant heat pump/condensers are not likely to help the poor half of our nations.
The deserts will be developed to feed people if feasible to do so and those towers would work best off California with its cold ocean currents and that place is pretty developed and grows most of our produce among other things. These things are mostly passive and don't use much energy if designed right and would be constructed from concrete. No heat pumps required to condense the moist ocean water, just some circulation or air and deep cold water, it would be doable for even smaller countries, but I suspect it will be mostly for urban populations. It is way better than desalination however it is done and no brine is produced.
 

Jylhavuori

Active Member
What is your specialty?

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Philosophy of mind/cognitive sciences describes it the best. I can't say to be much experienced in the sense of making referrals or giving lectures. But the whole process of thought is indexed

I have 0 academics or schooling so maybe not the most reliable form if even accurate. Always lost with vocabulary...the funny part is that in most subjects I am able to write only in English lol
 
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Jylhavuori

Active Member
Interesting theory ya got there :bigjoint:
Gnostic man......hmm
It's just a basis for some thesis not made yet.

A thought that I've been running along with.. but for it to be made, firstly we should have some consensus around the vast subject IMO. Otherwise it's prolly not gonna fly

So nice to hear a compliment, thanks
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
DNA linked nanoparticle technology might be useful for making perfect (down to nearly the molecular level) battery components. It might also be used to make EV car bodies. They might be able to "grow" this material right in a mold and make perfect, strong and light structural components, that assemble themselves. You would see it in rockets weapons and planes first though, high value things where the strength to weight ratio is most important. They might even be able to 3d print with self-assembled DNA linked nano particles one day.

 
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