New LEDs, which ones?

Beard-o

Beard-o

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I'm trying real hard to talk myself out of my old archaic HID light, and entering the world of LEDs.

Less heat, less electricity, better canopy coverage. But how do you choose?
Manufacturers, models and options vary wildly.
Two have been catching my eye.

Phlizon FD6000 Plus

And Spider Farmer

The Phlizon is attractive for a variety of reasons. It's really affordable, 600w, dimmable, full spectrum, and has a detachable driver.

Anyone have any reviews on either?
 
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Bud man 43

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I am a viparspectra fan-
I also have a couple mars hydro fixtures and bloom plus also.
You can score them on flea bay from the manufacturer- open box or on sale for a good price
 
budolskie

budolskie

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Beard-o said:
I'm trying real hard to talk myself out of my old archaic HID light, and entering the world of LEDs.

Less heat, less electricity, better canopy coverage. But how do you choose?
Manufacturers, models and options vary wildly.
Two have been catching my eye.

Phlizon FD6000 Plus

And Spider Farmer

The Phlizon is attractive for a variety of reasons. It's really affordable, 600w, dimmable, full spectrum, and has a detachable driver.

Anyone have any reviews on either?
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What size space you in, im in the same boat wanting to change to led, to many to choose from i have a 10x5ft tent

2 of these i been thinking of getting

I have a small viraspectra in my 80x80cm veg tent
 

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coreywebster

coreywebster

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Beard-o said:
I'm trying real hard to talk myself out of my old archaic HID light, and entering the world of LEDs.

Less heat, less electricity, better canopy coverage. But how do you choose?
Manufacturers, models and options vary wildly.
Two have been catching my eye.

Phlizon FD6000 Plus

And Spider Farmer

The Phlizon is attractive for a variety of reasons. It's really affordable, 600w, dimmable, full spectrum, and has a detachable driver.

Anyone have any reviews on either?
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I have the phlizon. Only one crop with it but I have many far more expensive LEDs too.

I'd recommend it over a spider farmer.
Not seen any complaints on the phlizon
Seen lots of complaints about the spider farmer.

I think both are sponsors here and have threads with giveaways and should give you a discount code..

BTW cheaper from the phlizon website than on ebay even without a discount code
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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The phlizon did the job with no noticeable downside compared to my other lights.
But only one crop so early days..

It is a well made unit. Good hanging points. Not flimsy.
The driver is inventronics, which if you Google it is a fair chunk if money on its own.. quality driver.

Will it be as high efficiency as some of the top end lights.. no.
Will a 600w unit light a 4x4 , absolutely, with ease.
 
Modern Selections

Modern Selections

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Ok so I've been using hid lighting for 25+ years. I switched to LED and struggled with the difference in nutrient uptake and excessive Mg consumption initially. Once I ironed that out I battled PM. The LED room had PM the HID room did not. Same environment.

After two years of dialing I got everything on track and grew some frosty dense flowers. The potency just wasn't there. I have yet to smoke LED grown buds that can match HID grown flowers for potency, aroma and flavor. Not to mention yield.

Sold my LED's and back to HPS 1k's and won't be looking back.

Just my experience.
 
jimihendrix1

jimihendrix1

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Going by manufactureres recommendations, a 1000w HID has ALWAYS been recommended for a 4 x 4 area, and a 600w is recommended for a 3 x 3 area. A 1000w in a 4 x 4 is 62.5w sq/dr. A 600w in a 3 x 3 is 66w sq/ft.
When Gavita first came out with the 1700e, it was recommended to take the placeof a1000w HID, in a 4 x 4 area. Will a 600w grow in a 4 x 4 area?? Yep. Is it Optimal?? NOPE.
To me the only drawback with an HID, is heat, but I can easily control heat. IMHO in many cases an LED is no better than an HID efficiency wise, because one may have to add more heat.
IMHO a 1000w HPS may yield a bit more, but a 1000w Hortilux Blue, or 1000w CMH, is closer to the spectrum of the sun, and produces better terpenes.

While not scientific. IMHO, Comparatively, the HID, produces better weed.

I do have a 645w Gavita 1700e, and 2 880w Mammoth Mint White LED.

If I was to get an LED, the mammoth 680w-or the 880w is what Id go with.

With HPS, if I used that, Id use only a 1000w Hortilux HPS bulb. And for Halide, Id use the 1000w Hortilux Blue.
 
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Beard-o

Beard-o

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jimihendrix1 said:
Going by manufactureres recommendations, a 1000w HID has ALWAYS been recommended for a 4 x 4 area, and a 600w is recommended for a 3 x 3 area. A 100w in a 4 x 4 is 62.5w sq/dr. A 600w in a 3 x 3 is 66w sq/ft.
When Gavita first came out with the 1700e, it was recommended to take the placeof a1000w HID, in a 4 x 4 area. Will a 600w grow in a 4 x 4 area?? Yep. Is it Optimal?? NOPE.
To me the only drawback with an HID, is heat, but I can easily control heat. IMHO in many cases an LED is no better than an HID efficiency wise, because one may have to add more heat.
IMHO a 1000w HPS may yield a bit more, but a 1000w Hortilux Blue, or 1000w CMH, is closer to the spectrum of the sun, and produces better terpenes.

While not scientific. IMHO, Comparatively, the HID, produces better weed.

I do have a 645w Gavita 1700e, and 2 880w Mammoth Mint White LED.

If I was to get an LED, the mammoth 680w-or the 880w is what Id go with.

With HPS, if I used that, Id use only a 1000w Hortilux HPS bulb. And for Halide, Id use the 1000w Hortilux Blue.
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Lol, now this brings up more questions.

I've been using 600w for years. If I wanted to go to 1000w, would it be as simple as just switching out bulbs? A 1000w for a 600w?

Would I need to replace my ballast? The light fixture?
Sorry for the dumb questions but Ive been using 600w for years and always assumed more wattage was for a large tent.
 
jimihendrix1

jimihendrix1

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Beard-o said:
Lol, now this brings up more questions.

I've been using 600w for years. If I wanted to go to 1000w, would it be as simple as just switching out bulbs? A 1000w for a 600w?

Would I need to replace my ballast? The light fixture?
Sorry for the dumb questions but Ive been using 600w for years and always assumed more wattage was for a large tent.
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There are no dumb questions, if you dont know the answer.

You need a new ballast, unless its switchable.
 
secretmicrogrow420

secretmicrogrow420

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Beard-o said:
I'm trying real hard to talk myself out of my old archaic HID light, and entering the world of LEDs.

Less heat, less electricity, better canopy coverage. But how do you choose?
Manufacturers, models and options vary wildly.
Two have been catching my eye.

Phlizon FD6000 Plus

And Spider Farmer

The Phlizon is attractive for a variety of reasons. It's really affordable, 600w, dimmable, full spectrum, and has a detachable driver.

Anyone have any reviews on either?
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the canopy coverage on hid is dependent on the reflector you use isnt it?? i use led these days because i grow in my closet atm, but back in the day we would use blockbuster gen 3's and radiant reflectors and brother let me tell you that blockbuster gen 3's evenly distributed the light over our 4x4 grow tent even the corners were bright! if your HID light isnt evenly distributing the light across the canopy i suggest buying a better reflector like a blockbuster gen 3 :)

also high end HID hps produces like 120 or 140 lumens per watt and high end led diodes produce around 220 lumens per watt++ so a high end led does produce around 80 or 100 lumens per watt more than hps keep this in mind.
 
Modern Selections

Modern Selections

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It may produce more, and I believe that because you turn the LED up and the plants cringe, but I think the plants respond better to the HID lights.

When I went back to HPS in the rooms that were led, the plants just look so much healthier and happier. Plus I need the heat this time of year.
 
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