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DIY-HP-LED

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I noticed that this PF protein revolution is not mentioned in any of those rural primaries as an issue, yet. From what I can gather there is a freight train of change headed for livestock and dairy farmers along with their whole industrial infrastructure. I've seen a couple of republicans try to outlaw precision fermentation, but that is about it. The threat is real, they are represented by republicans who are enthralled by culture wars that are no real threat to their voters, this is though! I suspect it is an issue that will grow in importance with each election cycle moving forward, since it involves people's livelihoods and financial security, but perhaps they have other priorities than their own personal welfare, for any "cause" sacrifices have to be made.

Looks like some folks need to wake up as in get WOKE and they appear to be sleepwalking into disaster. Not that waking up would do them much good, market forces will remove their value chains eventually and that appears imminent, and within the next decade or so. In the next 10 to 20 years robotics, automation and AI will remove a lot of human value chains, as in jobs, farmers won't be alone.
 
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I was thinking olive oil might be a target for those PF people, considering its current price, they are already going after dairy and vegetable fats. I know growing olives sounds easier but consider the price of the product and how long it takes to grow an olive tree. Anything relatively simple in structure like oils and fats with high prices should be a target for PF, the higher the price of the natural product and the bigger the market, the more attractive it is to them. It's about money and markets, though there will be a market for natural products for a long time and they might be labeled as such at least. Vegetables, grains, fruits and nuts etc should be ok, but knock on effects are predicted for some of them as well, new land will open up for all of those things as industrial livestock, dairy and poultry farming fades away along with industrial fisheries. In 20 years, much of the industrial side of agriculture and fishing will be gone and those who remain will be servicing specialty markets or growing industrial crops and produce. It will be a long time before they do better than your basic plant growing in dirt with solar power!

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DIY-HP-LED said:
though there will be a market for natural products for a long time and they might be labeled as such at least.
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I certainly hope that these modified foodstuffs are required to be labelled but look at the backlash when people tried to get products containing GMO ingredients labelled as such.

An alternative would be to have natural foods labelled in a legal manner that can't be 'greenwashed' by companies using some newfangled fermented in their processed foods. Different tiers maybe like Natural Grown Organic, Natural Grown Conventional etc. Everything else can be assumed to be frankenfood.

I'm not opposed to these newer PF products and with the planet's human population expected to hit the 10B mark by 2050 something needs to be done to fill all those bellies. With the reduction in arable land accelerating due to products like RoundUp, erosion, sea level rise and the collapse of fish stocks in the over-fished oceans there's going to be great demand for nutrition that doesn't rely on conventional sources. Not to mention the inevitable rise in prices as demand outstrips supply.

Climate change is already affecting many conventional sources with fires, floods and lack of fresh water causing the already risky business of farming to become a real crap-shoot for many crops we have relied on for decades.

Better living thru chemistry indeed.

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Even in India they are talking about it and it would solve a lot of problems in countries like that, don't expect to keep the genie in the bottle.

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DIY-HP-LED

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OldMedUser said:
I certainly hope that these modified foodstuffs are required to be labelled but look at the backlash when people tried to get products containing GMO ingredients labelled as such.

An alternative would be to have natural foods labelled in a legal manner that can't be 'greenwashed' by companies using some newfangled fermented in their processed foods. Different tiers maybe like Natural Grown Organic, Natural Grown Conventional etc. Everything else can be assumed to be frankenfood.

I'm not opposed to these newer PF products and with the planet's human population expected to hit the 10B mark by 2050 something needs to be done to fill all those bellies. With the reduction in arable land accelerating due to products like RoundUp, erosion, sea level rise and the collapse of fish stocks in the over-fished oceans there's going to be great demand for nutrition that doesn't rely on conventional sources. Not to mention the inevitable rise in prices as demand outstrips supply.

Climate change is already affecting many conventional sources with fires, floods and lack of fresh water causing the already risky business of farming to become a real crap-shoot for many crops we have relied on for decades.

Better living thru chemistry indeed.

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As I said, when you put these developments in the context of the RethinkX projections they take on a whole new meaning. Surely this stuff must be being passed around in the industry and among some farmers at least! If they say you might be out of business in a half a dozen years, you might want to think about investments in the business or just getting out while you can, and someone unaware buys it from you. In this case what you don't know can hurt you and ignorance is not bliss but Hell.

I'm surprised there isn't more of an uproar from those tied to the tracks, as the freight train rushes at them. Maybe like me they have trouble accepting it or just don't know, but reality has a way of bitch slapping people in the face.
 
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OldMedUser said:
I certainly hope that these modified foodstuffs are required to be labelled but look at the backlash when people tried to get products containing GMO ingredients labelled as such.

An alternative would be to have natural foods labelled in a legal manner that can't be 'greenwashed' by companies using some newfangled fermented in their processed foods. Different tiers maybe like Natural Grown Organic, Natural Grown Conventional etc. Everything else can be assumed to be frankenfood.

I'm not opposed to these newer PF products and with the planet's human population expected to hit the 10B mark by 2050 something needs to be done to fill all those bellies. With the reduction in arable land accelerating due to products like RoundUp, erosion, sea level rise and the collapse of fish stocks in the over-fished oceans there's going to be great demand for nutrition that doesn't rely on conventional sources. Not to mention the inevitable rise in prices as demand outstrips supply.

Climate change is already affecting many conventional sources with fires, floods and lack of fresh water causing the already risky business of farming to become a real crap-shoot for many crops we have relied on for decades.

Better living thru chemistry indeed.

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I've been mentioning the topic to a few friends and on a local FB group I run. We have a fishing industry (not as big as it used to be) and local farmers too. People who produce things like eggs will have a local market, but the egg products market will be gone, ditto for dairy, produce and fruit growers should be ok. In a few years some farmers could be growing shit that people can't eat but is used in the fermentation and bio batch reactors as feed stock for protein production and bioflavonoids, terpenes, the list is long and there will be many niches for bio companies making proteins and fats from dirt cheap bioshit and genetically engineered organisms. It will kill a lot of farming, whole sectors of it and save the environment while feeding the poor and ending the suffering of billions of farm animals. It has economics and ethics on its side and is required to arrest our greenhouse gases, things like cow burps and farts contribute a lot apparently. A cow is 4% efficient in turning feed into protein and modern cellular methods of producing meat and dairy promise much greater efficiencies, ditto for all the meats and poultry. Even dinosaur meat could be popular if they could get the DNA, perhaps from birds...
 
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Dino burgers? Do we really need something else that 'tastes like chicken'? :D

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The point is any meat is possible, even ones that don't exist and they market as dinoburgers. Buffaloburgers to squirrel meat any animal or fish is "game", pun intended. No hormones, antibiotics etc as selling points. The important things are the cost curves and the supporting infrastructure from the farm to the nutrient producers and outfits like ADM and Cargill are all over it as are the fertilizer companies already in the industry. It needs to scale to be competitive and there are indications that it is, it is getting easier to see if their 2019 predictions are on track.
 
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Transportation
  • An electric car with a range of at least 300 kilometers (200 miles) will cost about $5,000 in 2030.
  • Then it's over for fossil fuel cars with combustion engines.
  • But that's not the biggest change in transportation: It's electric autonomous taxi, Transport-as-a-Service.
  • Transport-as-a-Service will cost a tenth per kilometer of what it costs to own and operate your own car.
  • The total cost per kilometer will be lower than just the cost of gasoline.
The oil sheiks look scared and unsure of themselves.

Energy
  • Solar power is the cheapest energy source – ever.
  • The cost of solar energy will decrease by another 70 percent over the next ten years.
  • Lithium-ion batteries will decrease by 80 percent in cost over the next ten years.
  • A 100 percent solar-wind-battery energy system is possible (I've written about this before.) and it's the cheapest possible energy system.
  • You don't need to seasonal energy storage, just less than a week's energy reserves in batteries are enough.
  • The system is designed for the time of year when it's darkest and you get the least solar energy, which means that for the rest of the year, you have a large surplus of cheap electricity.
The oil sheiks sit apathetic just staring in front of them.

Food and agriculture
  • Precision fermentation is a technology for producing food ingredients like proteins, fats, and vitamins.
  • The cost of precision protein fermentation has gone from a million dollars per kilo to 100 dollars per kilo in the past 20 years.
  • By 2030, the cost will be 1-2 dollars per kilo.
  • Animal protein costs about 10 dollars per kilo today. The cost of precision fermented protein will reach that price by 2025.
  • This will, among other things, lead to "the disruption of the cow." Where we need a fifth of the energy, a tenth of the water, and a hundredth of the land area to produce milk.
  • 2.7 billion hectares of farmland will not be needed for agriculture, by 2040. That's an area as big as the USA, Australia, and China combined.
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