Someone please Help!!!

[Mumbeltypeg]

It could just be the strain also.. I have tried a few strains over the years and every now and then you come across a strain/pheno with a nose on it that knocks you silly.. others are fantastic in all other aspects but a bit muted in the smell department.

I’ve got a lovely skywalker pheno that smells like a pine forest whenever you open the bag..

 

[staysmokin]

The outside of your bud should be popcorn dry. Smaller buds will be smokable. Smaller stems will snap.
Then you trim it and jar it. At first the moisture goes back through the bud and instead of dry it will be spongy again. Then you burp it because that is too much moisture, so you burp it until until it the buds snap open. It shouldn't be spongy when you tear it.
My concern is that you are making the mistake many make early on and your afraid to dry it enough and are smoking moist bud.

The reason i take it before snap is becuase if i wait it seems buds are to dry. I took some this go rpund at the snap and jarred them 6 weeks latwr they are still hovering around 45% humidity.

 

[staysmokin]

Sorry about that. The evidence does not point to over drying, he jarred it with wet stems, he said so.
Let's ask the OP.
Is your bud crumbley? Do your stems still bend or do they snap? How were your samples???
If he ever answers those questions we'll have his problem solved.

So ive tried different ways . I have takin it with a snap and with a very dry spongy bud. Both turn out the same. When smoked of course the dry bud burns better but bith have same taste im guessing is the chorophyll taste everyone talks about. After jarred the more moist ones will be around 58-62% and the dryer ones will be around 45-55% . After a couple days of burping the ones that are moister seem to have a stronger smell and taste. But then its like over a day or two the taste and smell goes away and all thats left is either no taste or a very faint plant taste with hardly any smell to sometimes a faint plantish smell. Im really not undsrstanding what im doing wrong. Ive had cheap genetic to beginner expensive genetivs ive tried organic and bottle nutirents. And i feel like im following everything by the book that is what is the fustrating part. Like now i have sveral jars with several moisture levels 45-60% and been curing for 6 weeks and

 

[DankDave420]

Bummer man.
Wish I could help u.
Def test your stuff before you jar it then you know if it is your cure or not.
But there is a chance if you leave a bud out and let it get crumbly that it will taste better. I'm just saying because there is the chance your bud could still be fire. I know I beat a dead horse with that but moist bud is a very common thing and your bud won't taste good. And you haven't convinced me that your bud isn't moist. Lol.
Take care. Happy growing.

 

[DankDave420]

And also I haven't mentioned your humidity levels because honestly it isn't needed, you can tell by feel. I do use humidity packs 55%. I use that now and I used to use 62% but I realized 55% is better for smoking.

 

[Theancientgallery]

It sounds like you’re having a hard time finding a method that works for you and you’re doing too much guesswork. It took me a solid year to get a cure right. What worked for me was obviously getting the environment dialed in. Sounds like you have that part right on. I hang the whole plant. This extends the dry and allows moisture to slowly escape instead of a rushed dry which can give you a poor end product. What I did to take the guesswork out of when to pull the bud off the plant was I bought a cheap moisture meter used for firewood. It comes with two small metal pins that you actually stick into a bud. When it reads between 10%-14% ideally 12% that’s when I take the bud off the plant and do a rough farmers trim. Measure the bigger buds, smaller ones will seem ready first when majority of the plant is still too moist. Then I put all nugs into brown paper bags and roll the top of the bag up. I put hygrometers in the bags. If they stay stable between 60%-65% for 2-3 days I put them in grove bags with hygrometers and continue to monitor for the first few days. If rh stays stable I heat seal and leave for at least 2-4 weeks. Longer if I can. Fill grove bags almost the whole way and leave very little room.

In my experience it’s just too hard for an amateur grower to tell by feel when to transition from dry to cure and this is how you end up confusing yourself and getting lost in the whole process. I did it too. Drove myself nuts trying to figure it out because I’m stubborn, but at the end of the day if you can remove some of the unknown factors it will help you determine when and what to do. Hope this helps. The longer it takes to dry, the better. There’s nothing wrong with a 14-21 day dry in the right environment. My opinion.

 

[Theancientgallery]

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[Ezleaves]

My personal opinion is that it is not your handling that is the issue but rather the source of the seeds or cuts. I say this because I’ve dried and cured a number of different ways in the past and one even dried in direct sun with water leaf intact and still managed to have smell and taste I did have a strain that year that was un named and produced the biggest plants, some of the most thrichomes, and the taste and smell overall was like fresh water lol.

 

[staysmokin]

Bummer man.
Wish I could help u.
Def test your stuff before you jar it then you know if it is your cure or not.
But there is a chance if you leave a bud out and let it get crumbly that it will taste better. I'm just saying because there is the chance your bud could still be fire. I know I beat a dead horse with that but moist bud is a very common thing and your bud won't taste good. And you haven't convinced me that your bud isn't moist. Lol.
Take care. Happy growing.

You think if it is moist we shojld just keep burping it and when it drys it may taste

Bummer man.
Wish I could help u.
Def test your stuff before you jar it then you know if it is your cure or not.
But there is a chance if you leave a bud out and let it get crumbly that it will taste better. I'm just saying because there is the chance your bud could still be fire. I know I beat a dead horse with that but moist bud is a very common thing and your bud won't taste good. And you haven't convinced me that your bud isn't moist. Lol.
Take care. Happy growing.

Tha ks for your help im gonna try that. I will keep trying and hopefully i can hit the sweet spot between not to dry and not dry enough.

 

[staysmokin]

It sounds like you’re having a hard time finding a method that works for you and you’re doing too much guesswork. It took me a solid year to get a cure right. What worked for me was obviously getting the environment dialed in. Sounds like you have that part right on. I hang the whole plant. This extends the dry and allows moisture to slowly escape instead of a rushed dry which can give you a poor end product. What I did to take the guesswork out of when to pull the bud off the plant was I bought a cheap moisture meter used for firewood. It comes with two small metal pins that you actually stick into a bud. When it reads between 10%-14% ideally 12% that’s when I take the bud off the plant and do a rough farmers trim. Measure the bigger buds, smaller ones will seem ready first when majority of the plant is still too moist. Then I put all nugs into brown paper bags and roll the top of the bag up. I put hygrometers in the bags. If they stay stable between 60%-65% for 2-3 days I put them in grove bags with hygrometers and continue to monitor for the first few days. If rh stays stable I heat seal and leave for at least 2-4 weeks. Longer if I can. Fill grove bags almost the whole way and leave very little room.

In my experience it’s just too hard for an amateur grower to tell by feel when to transition from dry to cure and this is how you end up confusing yourself and getting lost in the whole process. I did it too. Drove myself nuts trying to figure it out because I’m stubborn, but at the end of the day if you can remove some of the unknown factors it will help you determine when and what to do. Hope this helps. The longer it takes to dry, the better. There’s nothing wrong with a 14-21 day dry in the right environment. My opinion.

Thabks im gonna look into the meter and give it a try.

 

[DankDave420]

I think you could pull a bud out of the jar and let it dry out to test it. Let it get to where it almost crumbles.
If you take a bud out of your jar and snap it in half the bud should snap apart, if the stem inside is bendy it won't taste good.

 

[Fishmon]

Im just not understanding we just harvested and been curing for about 6 weeks. Seems we keep getting same results and im just not understanding why. Bud is really sticky but has lost almost all its smell and has not formed any good taste at all. I have no clue what im doing wrong our enviroment is spot on. We even tried taking some at different points rom snap to just bend to see if thats where i was messing up. Im lost and it is very discouraging putting all tbis effort and money into something i dont want to smoke. Our dry room stays at 62 degrees at 60% humidity hang dry for about 7-10 days. If we wait for snapwhen put in jars humidity only goes to 45-55% but if i take before snapthe humidity after putting in jars is around 60-62% . I open jars every day for 15 mins first week and then every few daya after that for a month. Then open it once a week. Nit sure where im messing up. Ive noticed a couple jars started smelling eally well and thenovwr night it went away . Really could use some advise.am i curing wrong??

Haven't had that problem but I'll share what little experience I've had. 1st, I've never been able to hit the 60 degree mark. Best I've managed was 68-70. My logic told me to bump up RH to compensate so I maintained 65-68 ish. Fan leaves removed. Usually small stems snap almost in two at 7 days. Exhaust on a very low speed. Circ fan below the hanging at fairly low speed angled towards the tent wall for a swirling effect. Some fatter product I have left in for 10-11 days. Then final trim and into the jars. Usually burped about 15 min twice a day for the first week. Then once a day for 15-20 min the second week. 3rd week every other day or so for 15 min or so. All the while monitoring the jar RH and adjusting burp time accordingly. The cheap RH meters are hit or miss (mostly miss). I've used my most trusted tent meter and laid it into a food container with a see through lid along with the mini rh meters. After leaving for a day or two I peek through the top and note the discrepancies. I use the ones with the orange cases so I can use a sharpie to write +/- whatever number to bring in line with the reference. But even this attempt at compensation is sketchy at best.Have since purchased a dry cure machine that makes the process idiot proof for me but quite pricey. I would attempt to verify some level of accuracy of the meters first to gain minimal confidence in them. Drying too fast leads to hay smell and taste from what I've heard and read but you say little smell or taste. Leads me to think terps are disappearing but at a loss as to why. Dry area does need to stay dark. Maybe jar product in various stages of the dry process and compare results. Sorry for the long post. Stay at it and follow up results.

 

[Kushash]

It's great that you guys are doing your homework and learning but the drying process need not be complicated.
Many experienced growers can tell you that if the smoke is dank, you can harvest a bud and throw it on a piece of paper and let it sit for 10 days in a room with very low humidity and in 10 days that bud will get you wasted and have great flavor.
The most likely reason the smoke is sub-par comes down to genetics and growing skill.

 

[Kushash]

It's great that you guys are doing your homework and learning but the drying process need not be complicated.
Many experienced growers can tell you that if the smoke is dank, you can harvest a bud and throw it on a piece of paper and let it sit for 10 days in a room with very low humidity and in 10 days that bud will get you wasted and have great flavor.
The most likely reason the smoke is sub-par comes down to genetics and growing skill.

I thought of another way to check the quality of the smoke before even drying. If you are trimming and collecting scissor hash, that hash put in a bong should get you wasted if the smoke is good.

 

[DankDave420]

I thought of another way to check the quality of the smoke before even drying. If you are trimming and collecting scissor hash, that hash put in a bong should get you wasted if the smoke is good.

Yeah. I agree you don't need a cure for good smoke it just needs to be dry. That's why I asked him if he tested his smoke before he jarred it. I mean if your bud isn't good before you jar it it ain't gonna turn good.
Some flavors can be more refined after cure but it's not how you get good smoke.
Dude just needs somebody with experience to test his bud and check his grow out.

 

[staysmokin]

I think you could pull a bud out of the jar and let it dry out to test it. Let it get to where it almost crumbles.
If you take a bud out of your jar and snap it in half the bud should snap apart, if the stem inside is bendy it won't taste good.

The buds do snap they are not crumbly where to

I thought of another way to check the quality of the smoke before even drying. If you are trimming and collecting scissor hash, that hash put in a bong should get you wasted if the smoke is good.

Smoke gets you high. Nice forehead sweat. Just doesnt have a strong taste haedly at all some have a faint ill call it a chlorophyl taste. Whata weird is we had aome smelling really good about end of week one cure but it wss like the next day the smell had gone away and was nobwhere near as strong as it was the day before. My dry tent stays at around 62 degrees and between 58-62% . I also have a small exhaust fan to come on if it gets above 65% and a small 6" fan point at side wall of tent on low. Ive tried several diffwrent strains ranging from 65 for 5 to 100$ for 5. Juat not sure where im going wrong

 

[staysmokin]

Yeah. I agree you don't need a cure for good smoke it just needs to be dry. That's why I asked him if he tested his smoke before he jarred it. I mean if your bud isn't good before you jar it it ain't gonna turn good.
Some flavors can be more refined after cure but it's not how you get good smoke.
Dude just needs somebody with experience to test his bud and check his grow out.

Jts def not smoke that im use to i would consider myself a snob. Im all about taste and smell. I agree i would love to know someone with good experience to be able to taste it and tell me where im going wrong.

 

[nxsov180db]

Forget about the "snap" test, it's a scam. If you can snap your branches the weed it too dry, that's why when you jar it up your RH is so low. You need your RH to be in the low 60's. Now you mentioned hang drying, are you trimming before you hand dry everything? Or after?

 

[staysmokin]

Forget about the "snap" test, it's a scam. If you can snap your branches the weed it too dry, that's why when you jar it up your RH is so low. You need your RH to be in the low 60's. Now you mentioned hang drying, are you trimming before you hand dry everything? Or after?

Thats the exact problem i have when i wait for the snap. The bud is always between 45-55 % after 24 hours. I take the fan leaves and leave the sugar leaves to help extend the dry . I trim those after dry time. Let me ask. Becuase im not sure if over burping could be the issue. When i jar and the buds rh after 24 hours is between 58- 62% how often and how long should i be burping? I was doing 30 mins every day for first two weeks then every 3 days after that for bext two weeks then once a week for next month. And i was doing that whether they were in cure zone or above. Ive never had bud go into the jar and go above 63% after 24 hours. My dry usually takes 7-10 days. My conditions are 62 degrees 55-60% humidity. Tbis last batch after first week or so staeted smelling really good even had a good taste with slight chlorophyl after taste and then in like one day it all went away. What could cause that?

 

[amneziaHaze]

If the plant is smelling nice at over 60humidity then its your drying thats the problem.there is a chance you have a bad hydrometer.a few % affects a lot

Allsoo doesnt matter if the jar humidity rises when the room over dried it its over you can being back as much humidity as you want.

Invest in a canatrol if you have lota of weed or make a home made fridge if you are a small home grower.or even better buy a freeze dryer if you are super ritch