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Fogdog
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What? Can't Republicans walk and chew gum at the same time? This country can do both. Regarding the border, what are Republicans complaining about? They got everything they wanted and still backed out of the bill. Republican leaders are feckless toads sitting around Trump in his swamp. We all know that Trump is owned by Putin. And that Johnson's campaign is bought and paid for by Russian money. This is just an act. A payback to Putin in exchange for his money and support from his spy network.
Sativied
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Putting this here for now:
www.dutchnews.nl
Is/was (cabinet collapsed, he's caretaker PM at moment) longest sitting PM in Europe. Major force behind EU's support for Ukraine as well as EU itself. It was either going to be this or something like president of EU. His main skill is talking without actually giving an answer, second skill is making people across the spectrum cooperate. Voted for him first two out of five times. He taught me that having the best arguments doesn't always mean it's the right thing to do.
He takes the threat of Russia, to the rest of Europe, quite seriously. No family, no sex, no life, he just works. So even though we're through with him, I'd say that's a fine choice with WW3 knocking on the doors.
Yes of course, every time Turkey has a major vote they obstruct till they get something in return. Doesn't matter, in the end there's only one NATO member that decides who gets the job.
Some in east Europe prefer Kaja Kallas, Estonian PM, the one Putin recently put on a wanted list. Knowing the weight Rutte and his experience carries in the EU, I don't think that would be a better choice.
Rutte could quit early as Nato moves to name new chief in weeks - DutchNews.nl
Caretaker prime minister Mark Rutte could step down before talks to form a new government have concluded after Nato said it wanted to name its next secretary-general within weeks. Julianne Smith, the United States’ permanent representative to Nato, confirmed Rutte was a contender to succeed Jens...
www.dutchnews.nl
Is/was (cabinet collapsed, he's caretaker PM at moment) longest sitting PM in Europe. Major force behind EU's support for Ukraine as well as EU itself. It was either going to be this or something like president of EU. His main skill is talking without actually giving an answer, second skill is making people across the spectrum cooperate. Voted for him first two out of five times. He taught me that having the best arguments doesn't always mean it's the right thing to do.
He takes the threat of Russia, to the rest of Europe, quite seriously. No family, no sex, no life, he just works. So even though we're through with him, I'd say that's a fine choice with WW3 knocking on the doors.
Yes of course, every time Turkey has a major vote they obstruct till they get something in return. Doesn't matter, in the end there's only one NATO member that decides who gets the job.
Some in east Europe prefer Kaja Kallas, Estonian PM, the one Putin recently put on a wanted list. Knowing the weight Rutte and his experience carries in the EU, I don't think that would be a better choice.
bobPinfeather
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You mean we already have what we want and are just waiting to actually do something but won't. That bill was trash and a slap in the face a competent leader could at least take an actionable plan that could be drafted to put America first. Our interests are to diversified and our need to focus on the basics needs to be established. Fucking with the Russians half a world away should be the least of our concerns. Do you believe we'll see a single penny of the cash we printed back? If the feds cant manage our own border they have zero business managing theirs wouldn't you agree? The contingency of folks wanting to send money there should really book a flight over and snuggle up to the front lines and put their ass in the trenches. Basically all these issues vanish if everyone just goes home and plants a garden!!! It will come down to Johnson now that special council has deemed this admin to incompetent to even manage top secret documents (to much cocaine found in the white house). The uni-party is bought and paid for its not about republican vs democrat any longer. They need their NASCAR sponsor jackets handed out to them so we can see who is owned by who in this tragedy. I appreciate you letting drop in here and rant my meditations on the fiasco. Work on telling me your plan to deal with the humanitarian crisis of 8ish million illegals; because dropping them on the doorstep of sanctuary cities isn't going so hot. Do you have a plan for that? How does everyone save face and get back to farming and manufacturing?
Sativied
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‘A lot higher than we expected’: Russian arms production worries Europe’s war planners
Moscow has massively ramped up its industry, giving it advantages in Ukraine and leading to a redistribution of wealth
www.theguardian.com
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
bolded one: a slogan used by the treason caucus.
bolded two: aiding Ukraine aggressively is very much in the interests of America and every other Nato republic. Standing by while an authoritarian regime rips the limbs off a republic it invaded is something that would bite us in the ass for the next century. Stop parroting autocrat propaganda.
bolded three: fallacious emotioneering.
bolded four: same thing. Hur performed a partisan hit job concealed as a DOJ finding.
bolded five: indeed.
bolded six: the GOP is blocking every honest attempt to do so. Examine the brutality behind HR2.
ceterum censeo the mindset of anyone who uses the term “illegals” harkens back to pointy hats, burning crosses and lynched n*. It is a specifically and deliberately dehumanizing term.
bolded seven: it is grimly fascinating to see the former “party of law and order” violate any law that stands in the way of their concerted effort to replace a republic by, for and of all the people with a dominionist-medieval theocracy.
We see you.
printer
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Uh, you do not know much about international politics do you? On folks wanting to send money, I already sent $300. And do you know why Russia is on a empire building spree now? Please say you do. And if we give Russia free reign, how do we justify stopping China.
The cocaine was found in a public area, what are you trying to say? The feds can not manage the border? How many administrations do you want to go back? The bill Trump said to kill had a manageable amount of people can show up at the border (what the system can handle without stress), after that come back tomorrow. The immigrants are also the ones picking fruits and vegetables, working in meat processing, cutting grass, all the jobs too good for natural Americans.
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Fogdog
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Actually, that bill gave Republicans what they wanted and they did the Nazi salute when Trump saw Biden doing a better job with the border than he ever could. Maybe Republicans, can't both address border security and deal with Russia after they break a treaty with the US signed on as a guarantor of security for Ukraine. But Biden and Democrats can.
Tell me what was on that border bill that killed it? Specifically, what issue are you talking about when you call it trash? I'll remind you that applying for refugee status is legal and the US is obligated under its own laws to let people who apply for refugee status into this country. One of the features of the bill that you called trash was to make it harder for people to qualify for refugee status and put a legal maximum number who can apply. Republicans have been demanding both of those measures for years and barfed on their shoes when they got what they wanted. What was wrong with giving them what they wanted?
It's obvious that they were just playing a game and didn't ever mean to get anything done. We see that. Biden and the congressional Democrats made it obvious to everybody. Which is why they have just lost border security as an issue this election season. Self owned they are.
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Fogdog
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Putin shouldn't have gone and said that
And now, we come to funding military aid to Ukraine. Of course Trump's fellow toads in the swamp are croaking in alarm that Ukraine is not only resisting Putin but shows it can win -- IF they can get an assist from NATO in the form of arms. Funding arms to Ukraine is a smart move for the US. Russia is the only country in the world that has made an existential threat to the US and can carry it off in the form of nuclear weapons. That's not a smart thing to do but too late now, Putin. And so, Putin gave the game away to the west by completely underestimating the resolve and ability of Ukraine to resist his invasion. He also underestimated the quality of US weapons but that's a different matter. Sending military aid to Ukraine is cheap compared to a hot war between the US and Russia. Not saying we were headed that way, just saying funding arms to Ukraine for its defense takes Russia off the board for good. It's a smart move and Biden made it.
Russia's Military 'Badly Weakened' As War Drags On: Pentagon
The many months of attritional warfare has exacted a high cost on both Russia and Ukraine, but Western analysts and governments have suggested the conflict has torn apart much of Russia's military strength. Newsweek has reached out to the Russian Defense Ministry for comment via email.
"Russia has lost nearly half the combat effectiveness of its army," Admiral Tony Radakin, the head of the U.K.'s armed forces, said in early July.
Russia's military "badly weakened" as war drags on: Pentagon
Russian President Vladimir Putin "believes that he can outlast the Ukrainians," U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Saturday.
www.newsweek.com
This is what happens when a country threatens the US. Half of the combat effectiveness of its army -- gone. And the US hasn't lost a single man. Says a lot about Putin's brains, doesn't it? And Trump is subservient to Putin, which says a lot about him too. Makes that whole bit about Biden failing look stupid.
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It'd be GREAT to fix everything,I KNOW this, EVERYTIME AMERICA TURNED ISOLATIONIST(AMERICA FIRST)WE ENDED UP IN 2 WORLD WARS as a result.Yeah it'll buy 10-20 yrs of being left alone while Europe/Asia get steamrolled by the strongest (not our problem),once consolidated WE will be in their sights guaranteed.
Sativied
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That's a rosy way of looking at it on Dec 3 last year. More recently, from rusi.org, quoted in the article you posted as well as the one I posted above in #29045Russia's Military 'Badly Weakened' As War Drags On: Pentagon
The many months of attritional warfare has exacted a high cost on both Russia and Ukraine, but Western analysts and governments have suggested the conflict has torn apart much of Russia's military strength. Newsweek has reached out to the Russian Defense Ministry for comment via email.
"Russia has lost nearly half the combat effectiveness of its army," Admiral Tony Radakin, the head of the U.K.'s armed forces, said in early July.
.Russia's military "badly weakened" as war drags on: Pentagon
Russian President Vladimir Putin "believes that he can outlast the Ukrainians," U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Saturday.
Russian Military Objectives and Capacity in Ukraine Through 2024
Russian forces are likely to peak in late 2024, with increasing material challenges over the course of 2025.
www.rusi.org
Some excerpts:
"The Russian military began 2023 with a highly disorganised force in Ukraine comprising approximately 360,000 troops. By the beginning of the Ukrainian offensive in June 2023, this had risen to 410,000 troops and was becoming more organised. Over the summer of 2023, Russia established training regiments along the border and in the occupied territories and, following the mutiny of Wagner forces, endeavoured to standardise its units, breaking down the previous trend towards private armies. By the beginning of 2024, the Russian Operational Group of Forces in the occupied territories comprised 470,000 troops."
"The Russian Group of Forces continues to take significant casualties, but is nevertheless growing in size."
"Although the Russian military’s aspiration to increase in size to 1.5 million personnel has not been realised, recruiters are currently achieving almost 85% of their assigned targets for contracting troops to fight in Ukraine. The Kremlin therefore believes that it can sustain the current rate of attrition through 2025."
Unlike Ukraine, no shortage in soldiers.
"Russian missile production has similarly increased. At the beginning of 2023, for instance, Russian production of Iskandr 9M723 ballistic missiles was six per month, with available missile stocks of 50 munitions. By the beginning of 2024, not only had Russia used a significant number of these missiles each month since the summer of 2023, but it had increased its stockpile to nearly 200 Iskandr 9M723 ballistic and 9M727 cruise missiles. A similar picture can be observed across other core missile types like the Kh-101."
"Although the injection of around 2 million 122mm rounds from North Korea will help Russia in 2024, it will not compensate for a significant shortfall in available 152mm munitions in 2025."
"The Russian theory of victory is plausible if Ukraine's international partners fail to properly resource the AFU. However, if Ukraine's partners continue to provide sufficient ammunition and training support to the AFU to enable the blunting of Russian attacks in 2024, then Russia is unlikely to achieve significant gains in 2025. If Russia lacks the prospect of gains in 2025, given its inability to improve force quality for offensive operations, then it follows that it will struggle to force Kyiv to capitulate by 2026. Beyond 2026, attrition of systems will begin to materially degrade Russian combat power, while Russian industry could be disrupted sufficiently by that point, making Russia's prospects decline over time."
I don't know what they mean by 'victory'. If it means keeping part of Ukraine I agree. If it means pushing back Russia entirely... 'retired Brigadier General Helmut Ganser told news outlet Zeit Online that "the expectation that Ukraine will be able to restore its full territorial integrity by military means is based on a complete loss of touch with reality, considering the force that would be required and the decreasing willingness of key Western governments to provide support."
I'm supposed to believe Russia's military "lost nearly half the combat effectiveness", is "torn apart", "badly weakened", and Ukraine can achieve victory... but also watch out Europe, ze Ruzzians are coming.
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I know that Russia's best troops were lost in 2022,I also know that Russia wins a bleeding contest,Ukraine is also being attrited of it's best soldiers and is struggling to get front line troops RR and rotating to the front,it's also struggling to recruit new soldiers and is short on ammo. It's looking like the counter off. was a bad idea/lacking air support and was too optimistic based on prior success in the Kherson region ,all material and men squandered would be holding the line now.Maybe waiting would have been better in retrospect until Ukraines Air Force was bolstered w/F-16's I don't know how Ukraine can get a better footing presently(hope my country comes through w/aid but???)All I know is Russia breaking out and moving on Kyiv again would be a nightmare for Ukraine/Europe/Free World in precedent and shame for not enough support. If Pres. Biden is re-elected things will flow again but otherwise ???,it is starting to feel desperate although honestly I had doubts that Ukraine would ever have the capability to completely evict Russia from all it's territory.That's a rosy way of looking at it on Dec 3 last year. More recently, from rusi.org, quoted in the article you posted as well as the one I posted above in #29045
Russian Military Objectives and Capacity in Ukraine Through 2024
Russian forces are likely to peak in late 2024, with increasing material challenges over the course of 2025.
Some excerpts:
"The Russian military began 2023 with a highly disorganised force in Ukraine comprising approximately 360,000 troops. By the beginning of the Ukrainian offensive in June 2023, this had risen to 410,000 troops and was becoming more organised. Over the summer of 2023, Russia established training regiments along the border and in the occupied territories and, following the mutiny of Wagner forces, endeavoured to standardise its units, breaking down the previous trend towards private armies. By the beginning of 2024, the Russian Operational Group of Forces in the occupied territories comprised 470,000 troops."
"The Russian Group of Forces continues to take significant casualties, but is nevertheless growing in size."
"Although the Russian military’s aspiration to increase in size to 1.5 million personnel has not been realised, recruiters are currently achieving almost 85% of their assigned targets for contracting troops to fight in Ukraine. The Kremlin therefore believes that it can sustain the current rate of attrition through 2025."
Unlike Ukraine, no shortage in soldiers.
"Russian missile production has similarly increased. At the beginning of 2023, for instance, Russian production of Iskandr 9M723 ballistic missiles was six per month, with available missile stocks of 50 munitions. By the beginning of 2024, not only had Russia used a significant number of these missiles each month since the summer of 2023, but it had increased its stockpile to nearly 200 Iskandr 9M723 ballistic and 9M727 cruise missiles. A similar picture can be observed across other core missile types like the Kh-101."
"Although the injection of around 2 million 122mm rounds from North Korea will help Russia in 2024, it will not compensate for a significant shortfall in available 152mm munitions in 2025."
"The Russian theory of victory is plausible if Ukraine's international partners fail to properly resource the AFU. However, if Ukraine's partners continue to provide sufficient ammunition and training support to the AFU to enable the blunting of Russian attacks in 2024, then Russia is unlikely to achieve significant gains in 2025. If Russia lacks the prospect of gains in 2025, given its inability to improve force quality for offensive operations, then it follows that it will struggle to force Kyiv to capitulate by 2026. Beyond 2026, attrition of systems will begin to materially degrade Russian combat power, while Russian industry could be disrupted sufficiently by that point, making Russia's prospects decline over time."
I don't know what they mean by 'victory'. If it means keeping part of Ukraine I agree. If it means pushing back Russia entirely... 'retired Brigadier General Helmut Ganser told news outlet Zeit Online that "the expectation that Ukraine will be able to restore its full territorial integrity by military means is based on a complete loss of touch with reality, considering the force that would be required and the decreasing willingness of key Western governments to provide support."
I'm supposed to believe Russia's military "lost nearly half the combat effectiveness", is "torn apart", "badly weakened", and Ukraine can achieve victory... but also watch out Europe, ze Ruzzians are coming. I'd probably choke walking and chewing that much gum.
Sativied
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Alexei Navalny, galvanizing opposition leader and Putin’s fiercest foe, died in prison, Russia says
Navalny, who was serving a 19-year sentence, was moved in December from his former prison in the Vladimir region to a “special regime” penal colony.
apnews.com
"Navalny felt unwell after a walk.."
Sativied
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I had hopes the rest of the world would make it so regardless, but yeah national politics in US and EU, Putin's nukes...
Maybe they will still, a lot can change over the next year or more that the war is still going. 1 million drones sounds useful.
Western ally coalition pledges one million drones for Ukraine
The UK and Latvia took the lead in a Western industry coalition to manufacture drones for Kyiv, as a move to bolster military support in the long run, they announced on Thursday (15 February).
BudmanTX
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i find this hard to efin believe, "felt unwell after a walk"......... bunch of cow plop....
Alexei Navalny, galvanizing opposition leader and Putin’s fiercest foe, died in prison, Russia says
Navalny, who was serving a 19-year sentence, was moved in December from his former prison in the Vladimir region to a “special regime” penal colony.
"Navalny felt unwell after a walk.."
meanwhile Russia is trying to blame us and europe over his death:
Russia and Putin mafia killed him........
printer
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Russia Fires "North Korean" KN-23 Missile Into Ukraine; Wants Global Financial System Access In Exchange From Russia?
Russia recently used a North Korean KN-23 Ballistic Missile in a military attack on February 15. Leading Ukrainian sources and military watchers believe that North Korea is helping Russian forces with missiles and ammunition in return for Pyongyang to access the global financial system. French...
www.eurasiantimes.com
BudmanTX
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Hey Elon, thought you didn't give starlink to the Russians....if so what is this:
BudmanTX
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i read that was the one that left that massive crater near Lviv?Russia Fires "North Korean" KN-23 Missile Into Ukraine; Wants Global Financial System Access In Exchange From Russia?
Russia recently used a North Korean KN-23 Ballistic Missile in a military attack on February 15. Leading Ukrainian sources and military watchers believe that North Korea is helping Russian forces with missiles and ammunition in return for Pyongyang to access the global financial system. French...
Fogdog
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The tone and context of my reply was to a Russian troll or a MAGA supporter who wrote a propaganda piece containing many bits of right wing talking points, from "the border bill was trash" to "Biden is a gibbering idiot", to "the US should just tend to its own garden", to "Putin isn't doing anything wrong". I wrote it completely from the US perspective and I don't think anything I said was untrue. The tone was also an in your face US nationalist one that I thought was appropriate given how he was running down the US as if we are some sort of failed state.That's a rosy way of looking at it on Dec 3 last year. More recently, from rusi.org, quoted in the article you posted as well as the one I posted above in #29045
Russian Military Objectives and Capacity in Ukraine Through 2024
Russian forces are likely to peak in late 2024, with increasing material challenges over the course of 2025.
Some excerpts:
"The Russian military began 2023 with a highly disorganised force in Ukraine comprising approximately 360,000 troops. By the beginning of the Ukrainian offensive in June 2023, this had risen to 410,000 troops and was becoming more organised. Over the summer of 2023, Russia established training regiments along the border and in the occupied territories and, following the mutiny of Wagner forces, endeavoured to standardise its units, breaking down the previous trend towards private armies. By the beginning of 2024, the Russian Operational Group of Forces in the occupied territories comprised 470,000 troops."
"The Russian Group of Forces continues to take significant casualties, but is nevertheless growing in size."
"Although the Russian military’s aspiration to increase in size to 1.5 million personnel has not been realised, recruiters are currently achieving almost 85% of their assigned targets for contracting troops to fight in Ukraine. The Kremlin therefore believes that it can sustain the current rate of attrition through 2025."
Unlike Ukraine, no shortage in soldiers.
"Russian missile production has similarly increased. At the beginning of 2023, for instance, Russian production of Iskandr 9M723 ballistic missiles was six per month, with available missile stocks of 50 munitions. By the beginning of 2024, not only had Russia used a significant number of these missiles each month since the summer of 2023, but it had increased its stockpile to nearly 200 Iskandr 9M723 ballistic and 9M727 cruise missiles. A similar picture can be observed across other core missile types like the Kh-101."
"Although the injection of around 2 million 122mm rounds from North Korea will help Russia in 2024, it will not compensate for a significant shortfall in available 152mm munitions in 2025."
"The Russian theory of victory is plausible if Ukraine's international partners fail to properly resource the AFU. However, if Ukraine's partners continue to provide sufficient ammunition and training support to the AFU to enable the blunting of Russian attacks in 2024, then Russia is unlikely to achieve significant gains in 2025. If Russia lacks the prospect of gains in 2025, given its inability to improve force quality for offensive operations, then it follows that it will struggle to force Kyiv to capitulate by 2026. Beyond 2026, attrition of systems will begin to materially degrade Russian combat power, while Russian industry could be disrupted sufficiently by that point, making Russia's prospects decline over time."
I don't know what they mean by 'victory'. If it means keeping part of Ukraine I agree. If it means pushing back Russia entirely... 'retired Brigadier General Helmut Ganser told news outlet Zeit Online that "the expectation that Ukraine will be able to restore its full territorial integrity by military means is based on a complete loss of touch with reality, considering the force that would be required and the decreasing willingness of key Western governments to provide support."
I'm supposed to believe Russia's military "lost nearly half the combat effectiveness", is "torn apart", "badly weakened", and Ukraine can achieve victory... but also watch out Europe, ze Ruzzians are coming.
I don't disagree with what you are saying but stand by what I said. Russia HAS degraded it's fighting capacity and I quoted a reliable source who says they've lost about 50%. Putin HAS threatened the existence of the US and for this reason alone, the US's interests side with Ukraine, not Russia. From a US nationalistic point of view, we are using Ukraine to harm Russia. Ukraine is fighting for its existence and wants the US's help, so while from a dispassionate perspective, the US is acting it its own interests in this, it is also acting in Ukraine's and all of Europe's as well. Because Putin isn't going to stop with Ukraine, we all know or at least that's what Putin has said. This is what the alliance is about. Finding common interest and acting together to achieve them. What you believe is up to you. I'm writing this from my perspective.
Regarding Russia's ability to keep this war up and is restocking, yes, it is. It wouldn't have needed to put so much of its economy into making stuff that just blows up if Putin hadn't made this blunder but, yes, Russia is a large country and is not about to surrender any time soon. They can win and what that guy's post did was show one way in which it can. If the people of the US decide that Russia's wars of conquest do not concern them. Or if they decide to put all of their faith into Trump, who is a Putin puppet. Then the US will stop helping Ukraine and Russia has a leg up because it can keep their military supplied by rebuilding a Soviet era military industry and Ukraine can't. But Russia's strategy to conspire with the GOP to get the US to stop sending aid to Ukraine also points to their weakness. They can't keep this up forever but the US can. Will Ukraine? Will the EU? Will NATO? Will the US? We are in the middle of the journey and I'm making no predictions.
But what I do know is the propaganda behind that post I replied to was false and poisonous. So I replied, I think, appropriately.
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printer
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North Korean KN-24 missile leaves huge crater in Bucha district
Russia used what is likely a North Korean KN-24 missile in a large-scale missile attack on Ukraine on 15 February. The strike caused a huge crater in the Bucha district near the city of Kyiv.
www.pravda.com.ua