2024?

ooof-da

Well-Known Member
my belief is that our political system in the US has become so toxic we need to revamp it. There is absolutely no way i can support these governors and senators (public servants) coming in as a middle class individual and leaving with $50-$100 million dollars??? something is wrong. I came across this book a few years ago. It is a wild idea and a very hard read (like I didn’t even know some of these words were words) but essentially it’s saying instead of voting we go to a lottery system and normal citizens serves terms in govt and while they do they get compensated the same rate of pay they get in their existing job. and their job is held so at the end of the term they go back to their historical job. I’m sure im missing some of the points but the concept stuck with me.

 

CCGNZ

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my belief is that our political system in the US has become so toxic we need to revamp it. There is absolutely no way i can support these governors and senators (public servants) coming in as a middle class individual and leaving with $50-$100 million dollars??? something is wrong. I came across this book a few years ago. It is a wild idea and a very hard read (like I didn’t even know some of these words were words) but essentially it’s saying instead of voting we go to a lottery system and normal citizens serves terms in govt and while they do they get compensated the same rate of pay they get in their existing job. and their job is held so at the end of the term they go back to their historical job. I’m sure im missing some of the points but the concept stuck with me.

There have been quite a few people who have pointed out the change in net worth that magically occurs after a term or two in Congress,as for the lottery for Congress for and by the people you'd see the greatest bi-partisan effort in yrs. to stomp that legislation out, BTW what is a normal citizen now bro?,I'm seeing all this confounding support for the most maddening,outlandish,ignorant,obvious con to ever enter politics in the USA and by the numbers I'm confused as to what a normal American IS nowadays.I mean we are WAY past 1-2 people out of 10 squarely down w/this absolutely vile,appalling DKhead.
 

cannabiscrusader

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Term limits for congress. Why hasn't it been done yet. How many times we gotta see mitch McConnell with purple hands, or fienstien rip. Rolling people in from fucking hospice. Biden needs a teddy bear backpack leash.

Term limits will help end all this bullshit. Help, not solve. But it's a big step to cleaning house.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Term limits for congress. Why hasn't it been done yet. How many times we gotta see mitch McConnell with purple hands, or fienstien rip. Rolling people in from fucking hospice. Biden needs a teddy bear backpack leash.

Term limits will help end all this bullshit. Help, not solve. But it's a big step to cleaning house.
Term limits for e.g. governor are how we got some of these crackpot sedition-party fascists into office in the first place.

Until we get rid of dark money, the shot callers will position “their” antirepublican executives for election by folks sold a bill of goods on Fox.
 

hanimmal

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my belief is that our political system in the US has become so toxic we need to revamp it. There is absolutely no way i can support these governors and senators (public servants) coming in as a middle class individual and leaving with $50-$100 million dollars??? something is wrong. I came across this book a few years ago. It is a wild idea and a very hard read (like I didn’t even know some of these words were words) but essentially it’s saying instead of voting we go to a lottery system and normal citizens serves terms in govt and while they do they get compensated the same rate of pay they get in their existing job. and their job is held so at the end of the term they go back to their historical job. I’m sure im missing some of the points but the concept stuck with me.

That is a big reason I like Biden, he is one of the only politicians to wait until they were out of office and didn't have any power to trade on to make his money.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/once-the-poorest-senator-middle-class-joe-biden-has-reaped-millions-in-income-since-leaving-the-vice-presidency/2019/06/25/931458a8-938d-11e9-b570-6416efdc0803_story.html
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The Georgian-style home — from the front a brick version of the White House — once belonged to Alexander Haig, the former secretary of state. Nestled on a wooded lot in McLean, the nearly 12,000-square-foot residence has five bedrooms and 10 bathrooms, marble fireplaces, a gym and a sauna.

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Biden’s accelerated income and the lifestyle it has financed have placed the former vice president in a much more rarefied world than the one he formerly occupied. Although many politicians are wealthy, Biden’s new circumstances run the risk of cutting against a core message of his campaign: that, unique among the presidential candidates, he can connect with and represent the middle class.

Some details about Biden’s new circumstances remain unknown. Biden’s campaign said the former vice president was paying “substantial monthly rent” for the McLean home but would not disclose additional information about the financial arrangement. Zillow, the real estate site, estimates monthly rent for the home to be nearly $20,000.

Ein, the home’s owner, is a well-connected, politically active donor — he twice gave money to George W. Bush but has mostly helped fund Democrats. In 2017, he and Biden sat courtside at a Washington Wizards game. Ein owns the Washington Kastles tennis team and Kastle Systems, which handles security systems for commercial office buildings. About two years ago, he bought the Washington City Paper.

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“He’s going to be mad at me saying this,” Biden told CNN in 2016. “He said, ‘I’ll give you the money. Whatever you need, I’ll give you the money. Don’t, Joe. Promise me, promise me.’ ”

The Bidens didn’t sell the house. And soon, they would be on much sounder financial footing.

Biden left office in January of 2017, and in what has become standard for well-known politicians, by April had signed a book deal that Publishers Weekly reported was worth $8 million. It covered three books, two by the former vice president and one from Jill Biden. Two of those books have been published to date.

Joe Biden has also created several other organizations since leaving office, helping establish a Biden Foundation, the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement at the University of Pennsylvania , the Biden Institute at the University of Delaware , and the Biden Cancer Initiative .

Biden’s campaign said that he did not take a salary from any of those organizations. Jill Biden has kept her professorship at Northern Virginia Community College, where public records show she makes nearly $100,000 a year teaching English.

Paid speeches provided another profitable money stream. Most of Joe Biden’s speaking engagements involved universities or existing lecture series. He appeared in 2017 at a finance and technology conference run by Anthony Scaramucci, who two months later would have a brief stint in the Trump administration, and at a health-care conference run by JPMorgan Chase.

Although Biden’s campaign said his paid speeches amounted to less than 50 since he left the vice presidency, it would not provide a list of them.
Four contracts, however, were obtained by The Post through public records requests, some of which have been previously reported. They show that he charged between $150,000 and $200,000 per speech.

As with other well-compensated speechmakers, Biden enjoyed many related perks.

Some contracts included at least $10,000 for travel — which was the agreement with the University of Utah — and organizers were told it was standard practice for Biden and his aides to fly privately. Other contracts — like one with the University of Buffalo — included a stipulation for “a town car and professional driver” for Biden and each of his companions.

Biden had initially provided a discounted rate of $100,000 to the University of Utah, but he later waived the fee, the university announced during his appearance. Biden ended up flying commercial, according to his campaign, although it is unclear who footed the bill.

As he traveled to the various speaking engagements, Biden had some specific requests, according to several riders to his speech contracts, which are used by speakers to outline their requirements in greater specificity.

His dressing room was to be stocked with bottled water, Coke Zero, regular Coca-Cola, Orange Gatorade and black coffee. It needed a full-length mirror, six straight-back chairs and one portable steamer.

At the University of Utah, the school had referred to him as the “former vice president” in a draft news release. Biden’s representatives responded that it needed to be corrected “to include VP Biden’s proper title throughout.” Each time, the aides struck out the word “former.” They did the same later with draft posts to be published on social media.

They also offered suggested talking points for Biden’s introduction, including that “he’s one of the most distinguished public servants alive today” and someone who had “one of the most remarkable careers in the history of the Senate.”

At the University of Buffalo, where he was to appear as part of a series of guests, emails show a request from a Biden representative that “vice president” precede his name on the series poster, even though the title was also below it. None of the others — including former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice — had titles before their names.

“Just between you and I, it’s just something that his team feels strongly about. Sorry if it’s a pain,” wrote Romen Borsellino, Biden’s representative from the Creative Artists Agency.

“Ok — not a good look but will do,” responded William Regan of the University of Buffalo.

Biden as an announced candidate has stopped making paid speeches and has jumped full time into a campaign where, as always, his everyman pitch is a dominant theme. He underscored that on the day of his presidential announcement, riding Amtrak from Washington to Wilmington, and more recently on a trip to New York. Biden allies note another middle-class connection that remains: He still changes the oil in the 1967 Corvette Stingray his father gave him.
 

cannabiscrusader

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Phase 2 is ramping up. Another giant clean room and multiple support buildings. I better dust off my linesmans. There's going to be miles of 4" to run
 
first post in politics sounds fishy
Reading my mind, only one orange man bad statement in 2 pages; someone roofied the OP.. I want whoever is doing the cloud seeding and weather manipulation put up for impeachment too; only 8 snow storms this year. I'll take random psych evaluations for 10!!! Long live the beekeeper.
 

Dboybudz

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But seriously, we need a person of your mindset. I don't give a fuck about left or right... we just need to do what's right, and get our Country back. Unify, become one America, and protect our own boarders, and stay the fuck out of everybody else's business.... which is political business.
Im with you guys hundred percent and can't comprehend people that are still with whoever is in charge even at the damn stores. They can't see the prices on everything going up, Biden fumbling around and realize he's not calling any shots. I try to stay away from politics but being this bad and still not waking up. I just want to know whoever in charge top 1% what are they trying to accomplish with all this.
 

CCGNZ

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Term limits for e.g. governor are how we got some of these crackpot sedition-party fascists into office in the first place.

Until we get rid of dark money, the shot callers will position “their” antirepublican executives for election by folks sold a bill of goods on Fox.
It's catch 22,while i'd love to see a great gov/sen. do a 20 yr.bid,at this moment I'm glad it's a 2 yr. gig in the House,that place needs a defumigation,and if we ever had a killer Pres. who appealed to 2/3 of the country in his 50's then 12-16 yrs would be fine,especially in terms of consistency of policy internationally,2016/2020 diffs in administrations has our allies fkn dizzy and perish the thought of 2024 shifting back.That happens? what can anybody count on the US for in terms of agreements/treaties etc. As for dark $$ ,SCOTUS fkd that up even more,which is no coincidence w/Thomas and Alito living lavishly on the dime of Billionaires who are just friends and want nothing in return.Super educated masters of the law who don't understand "conflict of interest".
 

CCGNZ

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Calling the Russia investigation a hoax is ignoring reality, and anyone can read that in the Mueller report. Telling anyone to watch Project Veritas videos speaks for itself.

You said to look at the whole picture, which is good advice, just don't understand why those that reside on the far right always say it but never do it themselves? All safer under Trump, yeah if you're a wealthy white man, and have something he believes has value to HIM.
I wasn't going to bother to ask if he injected bleach that was recommended during Covid or if he'd feel safer launching missiles at Mexico or if his idol would barter away his country cause he got nice,perfect compliments from a dictator,alot of cool-aid has been consumed,$400 tacky sneakers also.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Im with you guys hundred percent and can't comprehend people that are still with whoever is in charge even at the damn stores. They can't see the prices on everything going up, Biden fumbling around and realize he's not calling any shots. I try to stay away from politics but being this bad and still not waking up. I just want to know whoever in charge top 1% what are they trying to accomplish with all this.
Minority rule.
 

CANON_Grow

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my belief is that our political system in the US has become so toxic we need to revamp it. There is absolutely no way i can support these governors and senators (public servants) coming in as a middle class individual and leaving with $50-$100 million dollars??? something is wrong. I came across this book a few years ago. It is a wild idea and a very hard read (like I didn’t even know some of these words were words) but essentially it’s saying instead of voting we go to a lottery system and normal citizens serves terms in govt and while they do they get compensated the same rate of pay they get in their existing job. and their job is held so at the end of the term they go back to their historical job. I’m sure im missing some of the points but the concept stuck with me.

The frustration is understandable and it's hard to disagree with thinking something is just not quite right when governors and senators amass great wealth when their salary is what it is; but I don't think it's anywhere near nefarious as it often is portrayed. We live in a world where you can become a billionaire just by becoming famous after a leaked sex tape and are willing to embarrass one's self for entertainment. Simply being well known can bring in huge money with speaking engagements and/or appearance fees.

There is/was always lots of talk about Nancy Pelosi and her husband and insinuations regarding insider trading: but after watching McCarthy and Johnson attempt the same role, it's clear she was quite good at the job and has an above average level of emotional intelligence - so add fame on top and it's easy to see how she could make some good bank on the side - as long as she wasn't using insider information from her role in government AND not voting on laws where she has a conflict. Disclosure rules should be updated and portfolios scrutinized closely in a transparent manner.

Seeing a long-term politician become wealthy isn't all that surprising when thinking about it further, obviously popular enough to stay in office, good chance they are smart enough to be successful in many other avenues of making money, and to be involved in politics they certainly have the ambition needed to become wealthy.

It may not be perfect, but I don't think perfect is possible. Watching jury verdicts on so many high profile court cases should make one shudder at any kind of lottery system, not to mention they would have to deal with professionals like Xi and Putin.
 

ooof-da

Well-Known Member
The frustration is understandable and it's hard to disagree with thinking something is just not quite right when governors and senators amass great wealth when their salary is what it is; but I don't think it's anywhere near nefarious as it often is portrayed. We live in a world where you can become a billionaire just by becoming famous after a leaked sex tape and are willing to embarrass one's self for entertainment. Simply being well known can bring in huge money with speaking engagements and/or appearance fees.

There is/was always lots of talk about Nancy Pelosi and her husband and insinuations regarding insider trading: but after watching McCarthy and Johnson attempt the same role, it's clear she was quite good at the job and has an above average level of emotional intelligence - so add fame on top and it's easy to see how she could make some good bank on the side - as long as she wasn't using insider information from her role in government AND not voting on laws where she has a conflict. Disclosure rules should be updated and portfolios scrutinized closely in a transparent manner.

Seeing a long-term politician become wealthy isn't all that surprising when thinking about it further, obviously popular enough to stay in office, good chance they are smart enough to be successful in many other avenues of making money, and to be involved in politics they certainly have the ambition needed to become wealthy.

It may not be perfect, but I don't think perfect is possible. Watching jury verdicts on so many high profile court cases should make one shudder at any kind of lottery system, not to mention they would have to deal with professionals like Xi and Putin.
If Nancy and Mitch got their wealth from posting nudes online I would worry less. I’m just saying, due in part to the human trait of greed; the chances for decision making not inline with good public policy increases when personal benefit is so high.
 

CCGNZ

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The frustration is understandable and it's hard to disagree with thinking something is just not quite right when governors and senators amass great wealth when their salary is what it is; but I don't think it's anywhere near nefarious as it often is portrayed. We live in a world where you can become a billionaire just by becoming famous after a leaked sex tape and are willing to embarrass one's self for entertainment. Simply being well known can bring in huge money with speaking engagements and/or appearance fees.

There is/was always lots of talk about Nancy Pelosi and her husband and insinuations regarding insider trading: but after watching McCarthy and Johnson attempt the same role, it's clear she was quite good at the job and has an above average level of emotional intelligence - so add fame on top and it's easy to see how she could make some good bank on the side - as long as she wasn't using insider information from her role in government AND not voting on laws where she has a conflict. Disclosure rules should be updated and portfolios scrutinized closely in a transparent manner.

Seeing a long-term politician become wealthy isn't all that surprising when thinking about it further, obviously popular enough to stay in office, good chance they are smart enough to be successful in many other avenues of making money, and to be involved in politics they certainly have the ambition needed to become wealthy.

It may not be perfect, but I don't think perfect is possible. Watching jury verdicts on so many high profile court cases should make one shudder at any kind of lottery system, not to mention they would have to deal with professionals like Xi and Putin.
Watching Nancy P as Speaker vs. McCarthy/Johnson is like a NASCAR driver vs. someone blasting around in go-carts at a family owned track off the highway.Say what you will but that lady KNOWS how to conduct business and work the room for consensus,and if she sat down w/Putin/Xi she has way to much moxy to be swayed by being buttered up w/compliments. Tell the Orange man his hair looks great and he is looking svelte and dapper and he's like shooting fish in a barrel,STRONG............as a wet noodle.
 
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