So what rights are you radicalized enough to give up?

hanimmal

hanimmal

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I asked this question a couple times and it seems to make people mad at first, but at the end of the day I think it is relevant and still correct in how it is stated.

Some people may for example be radicalized agains the killing of children enough to give up some second amendment rights, some (like myself) may give up some pretend first amendment rights to not have the ability to post on certain social media companies that are owned by foreign nations that are brainwashing us into all kinds of shit, some may be willing to give up the rights to self autonomy to stop everyone else from having an abortion, ect. I was just tossing this out there to see, ask, question, what rights are you willing to give up in response to stuff you care about that others might not be.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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hanimmal said:
I asked this question a couple times and it seems to make people mad at first, but at the end of the day I think it is relevant and still correct in how it is stated.

Some people may for example be radicalized agains the killing of children enough to give up some second amendment rights, some (like myself) may give up some pretend first amendment rights to not have the ability to post on certain social media companies that are owned by foreign nations that are brainwashing us into all kinds of shit, some may be willing to give up the rights to self autonomy to stop everyone else from having an abortion, ect. I was just tossing this out there to see, ask, question, what rights are you willing to give up in response to stuff you care about that others might not be.
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I'm willing to give up the special privileges afforded white men in the US during 18th and 19th centuries so that the US can adjust to the realities of the 21st century.
 
Dorian2

Dorian2

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Good question. I willingly gave up my right to freedom of peaceful assembly during the Covid crisis. I figured it was a small, temporary give for the health of others, either directly or indirectly. Otherwise, I'm unwilling to give up most, if not all, fundamental freedoms. Other people gave their lives for those freedoms.
 
MissinThe90’sStrains

MissinThe90’sStrains

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I’d be willing to sacrifice a small part of the first amendment - criminalizing the purposeful spreading of disinformation and other harmful misinformation, especially pertaining to: political ads, public media, and public service statements. It would hopefully outlaw harmful propaganda and make it easier to go after scammers.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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MissinThe90’sStrains said:
I’d be willing to sacrifice a small part of the first amendment - criminalizing the purposeful spreading of disinformation and other harmful misinformation, especially pertaining to: political ads, public media, and public service statements. It would hopefully outlaw harmful propaganda and make it easier to go after scammers.
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something like this?

Germany’s Laws on Hate Speech, Nazi Propaganda & Holocaust Denial: An Explainer

The German penal code prohibits publicly denying the Holocaust and disseminating Nazi propaganda, both off- and online. This includes sharing images such as swastikas, wearing an SS uniform and making statements in support of Hitler.
It also places strict rules on how social media companies must moderate and report hate speech and threats. These hate-speech laws were tightened last year, after three far-right terror attacks in 2019 and early 2020 prompted German authorities to warn of increasing extremism.
“The waves of hatred are even more aggressive than before the pandemic,” said Christine Lambrecht, Germany’s minister of justice, in an April 2021 statement about the new regulations. “The agitation is very often right-wing extremist, racist and misogynist. It is a serious threat to our democratic society when people are attacked because of their name or their appearance — or are silenced because they express themselves politically, scientifically or socially.”

www.pbs.org

Germany’s Laws on Antisemitic Hate Speech and Holocaust Denial

A look at Germany's changing laws on hate speech and Holocaust denial, in light of the FRONTLINE documentary "Germany's Neo-Nazis & the Far Right."
www.pbs.org
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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MissinThe90’sStrains said:
I’d be willing to sacrifice a small part of the first amendment - criminalizing the purposeful spreading of disinformation and other harmful misinformation, especially pertaining to: political ads, public media, and public service statements. It would hopefully outlaw harmful propaganda and make it easier to go after scammers.
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I believe that is covered under the classic example of shouting Fire! in a crowded theater — as an indicator that freedom of speech is not absolute.

It would be good to have legislation that codifies what you suggest. That might need to wait for when the party that has not (or mostly not) been corrupted by foreign money has a majority.
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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Fogdog said:
something like this?

Germany’s Laws on Hate Speech, Nazi Propaganda & Holocaust Denial: An Explainer

The German penal code prohibits publicly denying the Holocaust and disseminating Nazi propaganda, both off- and online. This includes sharing images such as swastikas, wearing an SS uniform and making statements in support of Hitler.
It also places strict rules on how social media companies must moderate and report hate speech and threats. These hate-speech laws were tightened last year, after three far-right terror attacks in 2019 and early 2020 prompted German authorities to warn of increasing extremism.
“The waves of hatred are even more aggressive than before the pandemic,” said Christine Lambrecht, Germany’s minister of justice, in an April 2021 statement about the new regulations. “The agitation is very often right-wing extremist, racist and misogynist. It is a serious threat to our democratic society when people are attacked because of their name or their appearance — or are silenced because they express themselves politically, scientifically or socially.”

www.pbs.org

Germany’s Laws on Antisemitic Hate Speech and Holocaust Denial

A look at Germany's changing laws on hate speech and Holocaust denial, in light of the FRONTLINE documentary "Germany's Neo-Nazis & the Far Right."
www.pbs.org
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"German law also prohibits a range of personal insults, from malicious gossip against private citizens to defamation against politicians. Like Section 130, it dates back to the 19th century."

There are already laws for hate speech, how anyone could want what I quoted above befuddles me. To risk liberty to avoid hearing something is nuts. If anyone thought overturning Roe V. Wade was bad, imagine risking prison for speaking out loud about it. Don't like something a Governor is doing (looking at DeSantis and Abbott), better be real careful what is said AND have a wack load of cash to keep out of prison. Unless someone believes the courts are always fair and there's no chance a politician/wealthy person (Elon?) would use this to their advantage, it's crazy.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
CANON_Grow said:
"German law also prohibits a range of personal insults, from malicious gossip against private citizens to defamation against politicians. Like Section 130, it dates back to the 19th century."

There are already laws for hate speech, how anyone could want what I quoted above befuddles me. To risk liberty to avoid hearing something is nuts. If anyone thought overturning Roe V. Wade was bad, imagine risking prison for speaking out loud about it. Don't like something a Governor is doing (looking at DeSantis and Abbott), better be real careful what is said AND have a wack load of cash to keep out of prison. Unless someone believes the courts are always fair and there's no chance a politician/wealthy person (Elon?) would use this to their advantage, it's crazy.
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It’s cultural. It is an offense to insult a cop. It all works, so long as they don’t elect a megalomaniac.
 
printer

printer

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CANON_Grow said:
"German law also prohibits a range of personal insults, from malicious gossip against private citizens to defamation against politicians. Like Section 130, it dates back to the 19th century."

There are already laws for hate speech, how anyone could want what I quoted above befuddles me. To risk liberty to avoid hearing something is nuts. If anyone thought overturning Roe V. Wade was bad, imagine risking prison for speaking out loud about it. Don't like something a Governor is doing (looking at DeSantis and Abbott), better be real careful what is said AND have a wack load of cash to keep out of prison. Unless someone believes the courts are always fair and there's no chance a politician/wealthy person (Elon?) would use this to their advantage, it's crazy.
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So why should someone have the right to ruin my life with an attack against me with lies?
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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I want my 29 minutes back.

I must say I admire the ability to drop some alternative thinking on everybody with what always appears to be good intentions and not getting wound up or lashing out when challenged. Stops in, says what wants to be said, doesn't run or hide from it - and it's done in a way that doesn't come across offensive. We may think on different wavelengths and I can respect that. It reminds me that this is
 
Dorian2

Dorian2

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I've been fighting my Wife of close to 29 years about the positive effects and brilliance of the Metal music and death growls I listen to, so I have no issue with @Drop That Sound 's take on things. Doesn't affect me or my life, and some different thinking is better than the standard rehashed BS that we've been fed for decades.

 
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