will a single line to top feed in perlite spread through the medium??

Duhh

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so if i put a single 4mm top feed line into a 12 liter bucket of perlite will the water spread out as it goes down or does it more or less go straight down? i see lots of people with one feed line so my common sense tells me the water must spread out but is it a little bit or does it cover the entire bucket soon after its entry point?

thanks!!
 
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RottyRzr

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so if i put a single 4mm top feed line into a 12 liter bucket of perlite will the water spread out as it goes down or does it more or less go straight down? i see lots of people with one feed line so my common sense tells me the water must spread out but is it a little bit or does it cover the entire bucket soon after its entry point?

thanks!!
I grew hot peppers like you are talking about and they did great. Basically I filled my containers (bato buckets) with straight perlite. I inserted a 1/2" piece of scrap pex tubing about 3" long into the perlite and then placed my feed line in that. This was to keep the top of the perlite dry so as to prevent the green algae from growing. I also covered the tops with aluminum foil to keep the tops dry and keep rain out. I had a reservoir, pump and timer that fed 3-4 times per day depending on how hot it was. ( I grew them outside) So I started off with 3 feeds and as the summer progressed and it got hotter I increased to 4 feeds. The pump would run a couple minutes before shutting off.
The system worked great and I had big beautiful plants and lots of peppers. Maybe I should try growing weed that way.
Search you tube for growing in perlite bato buckets grows. Search for MHPGardener. Lots of good info. Good luck
 

Duhh

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I grew hot peppers like you are talking about and they did great. Basically I filled my containers (bato buckets) with straight perlite. I inserted a 1/2" piece of scrap pex tubing about 3" long into the perlite and then placed my feed line in that. This was to keep the top of the perlite dry so as to prevent the green algae from growing. I also covered the tops with aluminum foil to keep the tops dry and keep rain out. I had a reservoir, pump and timer that fed 3-4 times per day depending on how hot it was. ( I grew them outside) So I started off with 3 feeds and as the summer progressed and it got hotter I increased to 4 feeds. The pump would run a couple minutes before shutting off.
The system worked great and I had big beautiful plants and lots of peppers. Maybe I should try growing weed that way.
Search you tube for growing in perlite bato buckets grows. Search for MHPGardener. Lots of good info. Good luck
haha yeah this is the plan :) MHPGardener growing tomatoes, yep thats where i got the idea from, dutch buckets, theres others too that came after his vid, but none cover the topic of how the water would spread out, hoocho has one vid of the same style with 2 feed lines per bucket. so it spreads out pretty well huh, it must, i just didnt know how quickly, my containers are shallow but wide because of space, so i was a bit concerned with how fast it spreads, im going to get watering rings to be sure of good coverage, yes it will be down from the surface to avoid algae growth and maybe covered also. yeah i have one pant that im hand watering right now growing in100 % perlite and it really loves it so yes that looks like a good way to go.

thanks for your help!
 
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Growoolit

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This is how we were taught to grow at horticultural college. Perlite in styrofoam fruit boxes. Very effective.
The feed water trickles out into a bell shape below and around the irrigation point.
Two irrigation points are better.
 

Duhh

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This is how we were taught to grow at horticultural college. Perlite in styrofoam fruit boxes. Very effective.
The feed water trickles out into a bell shape below and around the irrigation point.
Two irrigation points are better.
nice, bell shaped under the irrigation point, thats the info i was looking for! thank you!

yeah the plant really loves it it looks the best of maybe any plant ive ever grown, and there isnt even drainage holes in the container its in so i was thinking salt build up from evaporation and no watering til run off at all could be an issue as i have to water it way more than the coco plants, but man it looks amazing, so healthy and full.
 

TheWholeTruth

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so if i put a single 4mm top feed line into a 12 liter bucket of perlite will the water spread out as it goes down or does it more or less go straight down? i see lots of people with one feed line so my common sense tells me the water must spread out but is it a little bit or does it cover the entire bucket soon after its entry point?

thanks!!
I tested exactly what your asking about. About 10-15 years back I remember some talk of this and I remember seeing some commercial tests and documentation. With drip feed the plants do grow grow good especially in veg . Water will always go down the quickest way it can, so with a single dripper if positioned near the middle of ov the visable surface the water wont reach to the sides of the pot. So for example if growing in a 10ltr pot with grow pebbles there will be many dry areas around most of the outer edge. With the single dripper It will leave a circle of humidity around the drip site too and depending on media used an following the rules of gravity some media will also create a damp area due to some wicking. But after testing vs other methods were water would make contact with all the media an inside of the pot, the single dripper roots concentrate most of the bulk of the root growth downwards in the area the water drips and not as much outwards. Were as the other methods the roots were much better outwards towards the edge of the pot . Even out the holes at the bottom of the pot (these pots had holes all over the bottom not just edges) water would come out around the area it was going in at the top, about 4-5inch either way, from the drip site centre it near enough dry. The sort of bell shape the driper covers isnt very big with dripping drops of water.

With drip feed if your going to use it thoughout the grow you can use taller narrower pots or what ive done in the past is use high pressure pumps, so wen the water comes out it splashes off the top of the media creating a bigger wet area width wise, or just use sprayers on your drip line ends. I used to create two exits for water with the spliter parts then add 2 min sprayers. Two or 3 mini sprayers positioned in the right place should create a decent covarage area for most indoor pots
 

Duhh

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I tested exactly what your asking about. About 10-15 years back I remember some talk of this and I remember seeing some commercial tests and documentation. With drip feed the plants do grow grow good especially in veg . Water will always go down the quickest way it can, so with a single dripper if positioned near the middle of ov the visable surface the water wont reach to the sides of the pot. So for example if growing in a 10ltr pot with grow pebbles there will be many dry areas around most of the outer edge. With the single dripper It will leave a circle of humidity around the drip site too and depending on media used an following the rules of gravity some media will also create a damp area due to some wicking. But after testing vs other methods were water would make contact with all the media an inside of the pot, the single dripper roots concentrate most of the bulk of the root growth downwards in the area the water drips and not as much outwards. Were as the other methods the roots were much better outwards towards the edge of the pot . Even out the holes at the bottom of the pot (these pots had holes all over the bottom not just edges) water would come out around the area it was going in at the top, about 4-5inch either way, from the drip site centre it near enough dry. The sort of bell shape the driper covers isnt very big with dripping drops of water.

With drip feed if your going to use it thoughout the grow you can use taller narrower pots or what ive done in the past is use high pressure pumps, so wen the water comes out it splashes off the top of the media creating a bigger wet area width wise, or just use sprayers on your drip line ends. I used to create two exits for water with the spliter parts then add 2 min sprayers. Two or 3 mini sprayers positioned in the right place should create a decent covarage area for most indoor pots
nice man thank you. mini sprayers thats good idea, lots cheaper than the watering rings. im using100 % perlite not pebbles, i think the water spreads out alot more with all perlite but i want multiple watering points anyhow as the containers arent deep but low and wide.
 

Roguedawg

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Perlite in a bato will wick the nutrient solution up. Two lines per bato is they way they usually go in commercial vegetable production but thats probably two in case one line malfunctions. I used one line to the bato with a T and it worked fine for me for a long time.
 

RottyRzr

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I only used 1 line. The main line was 1/2" and had 1/4" tubing for the feeds into the buckets. I didnt use drippers, rings or sprayers. Just the 1/4" tubing so when the pump turned on there was a solid stream shooting in there. When I tore everything down in the fall there was a nice root ball in the perlite. I'll add that I used paint strainer bags to line my bato buckets to help contain the perlite and keep roots from clogging the drains. I think 1 feed line was plenty but hey, add more if you feel the need.
 

Duhh

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Perlite in a bato will wick the nutrient solution up. Two lines per bato is they way they usually go in commercial vegetable production but thats probably two in case one line malfunctions. I used one line to the bato with a T and it worked fine for me for a long time.
i keep reading perlite wicks up, one guy even said it can wick upwards 2 feet? so if i had a single line into a container that is wide but not tall, maybe 8 inches tall, and a drain hole about a 1.5 inches from the bottom to create a reservoir, the water that fills the bottom will wick up to soak the entire container?

thanks!
 

Roguedawg

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Duhh, yes it should wick up 8 inches. Thats the same height, or close to it ,above the reservoir that batos are. You can use small cups of perlite with hole on side to root cuttings in also, or start seed in if you want to go straight perlite.
 

Duhh

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Duhh, yes it should wick up 8 inches. Thats the same height, or close to it ,above the reservoir that batos are. You can use small cups of perlite with hole on side to root cuttings in also, or start seed in if you want to go straight perlite.
wow thats great info thanks!
 

calvin.m16

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Also, as I post 1 is none 2 is one. My lighting controller in my veg room burned out and I don't have a second. Wow would that have came in handy if I bought a second one to have just in case.
 
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