The saddest plant I've ever seen, will it recover?

[HandyGringo]

Frisian dew that was put outside as early as possible. It should allegedly be able to tolerate the current temperatures (Close to freezing at night) so I hope it's just stunted and unhappy temporarily.

I have a few backup plants growing indoors that will replace this one if it doesn't recover. I just thought I'd ask anyway.

It's a bit of an experiment, so I'm not taking it back indoors, I know that would likely be the best course of action. But according to the seed vendor, it can be put outside in my climate from late March, so we're powering through!

In the future, I will not be planting this early though. Even if the plant can survive, it's not worth it, since it's just stunted for an entire month. Might as well just delay moving it outside by a month and not torture the plant.

 

[conor c]

Yup 15th of may earliest i can even think about throwing stuff outside hardy or not it still needs a fighting chance that soils proly too hot a tad as well give it time tho it might bounce back and suprise you ive seen stuff half dead bounce back so you never know mind u we due some cold weather in Scotland soon idk about your location but if in europe or uk its worth maybe covering it for frost protection in coming week

 

[conor c]

Frisian dew that was put outside as early as possible. It should allegedly be able to tolerate the current temperatures (Close to freezing at night) so I hope it's just stunted and unhappy temporarily.

I have a few backup plants growing indoors that will replace this one if it doesn't recover. I just thought I'd ask anyway.

It's a bit of an experiment, so I'm not taking it back indoors, I know that would likely be the best course of action. But according to the seed vendor, it can be put outside in my climate from late March, so we're powering through!

In the future, I will not be planting this early though. Even if the plant can survive, it's not worth it, since it's just stunted for an entire month. Might as well just delay moving it outside by a month and not torture the plant.

Sadly ive seen worse a plant with some messed up virus or genetic defect or something it was a strawberry haze from ghs many moons ago it was the worst thing i ever seen lol

 

[DanKiller]

The best trick you can do is try to keep his feet warm
Plants are like humans, the roots are the feet, when you warm up your feet you feel all fuzzy and warm all over right ? Haha so try to warm the roots somehow and it will survive fosure
The sad look is from roots being too cold and water not evaporating fast enough to deliver oxygen to them.. when you know the logic, you can now apply some solutions, good luck in your adventure

 

[Moflow]

At least you have it raised off the deck. If you'd a bit of polystyrene to set it on top of that would be far better on the insulation front. I love polystyrene. It's very versatile.
You could wrap the pot in bubble wrap in the evening, take it off during day maybe. The soil will gain a bit of heat during daytime, bubble wrap will help keep a bit of heat in at night.
I used to line the inside of pots with polystyrene wallpaper lining years ago under HPS, when temperature plummeted at night it protected the roots from the cold lol. I use heatmats indoors now.
I see you have plenty of perlite in the mix, that's good too for cold temperatures.
A heavy water logged medium is the last thing you need in the cold.

 

[Nutty sKunK]

At least you have it raised off the deck. If you'd a bit of polystyrene to set it on top of that would be far better on the insulation front. I love polystyrene. It's very versatile.
You could wrap the pot in bubble wrap in the evening, take it off during day maybe. The soil will gain a bit of heat during daytime, bubble wrap will help keep a bit of heat in at night.
I used to line the inside of pots with polystyrene wallpaper lining years ago under HPS, when temperature plummeted at night it protected the roots from the cold lol. I use heatmats indoors now.
I see you have plenty of perlite in the mix, that's good too for cold temperatures.
A heavy water logged medium is the last thing you need in the cold.

Looks like it was left outside uncovered as well? Medium looks super saturated!!

Keep it warm as oos and let it dry out for like 7-10 days then give it 1L of water and build from there

 

[go go kid]

get a 3ltr sodfa pop bottle, cut the bottom off of it and use it as a closh if it will be large enough

 

[HandyGringo]

I appreciate all the tips! We're facing hotter days and no rain, so I will let it dry out a bit! If it gets cold again I will see if I can insulate it and if it rains I'll find something to cover it with. Wasn't aware that was required! I made sure the mix was perlite heavy so it wouldn't get "overwatered" but perhaps it still is, due to the rain.

I have 2x Frisian Duck and 1x Early skunk getting ready indoors, so if this one doesn't recover I got some hardy backup that will be going outdoors by the middle of May, where hopefully there should be no issues!

Thanks again for all the advice!

 

[Blue_Focus]

I about killed one. Got pretty bad looking. I started her in a Jiffy Pot pellet type made from Coco Coir and it had a tight weave mesh around it and became root bound. I transplanted it directly into the pot after taking the Coco Coir Pellet off.

But because they are weeds, They seem to bounce back. But this is an auto and started flowering early.

The first picture is it in the pellet stuck in a 2 gallon pot.

Before photo and photo of it now.

 

[HandyGringo]

Just an update, plant still look horrible, but not dead!

I think it's correct that it's suffering from both overwatering, cold and perhaps shock from nutrients in the soil as someone suggested earlier.

It has been given no nutrients besides Plagon Bio Supermix mixed into the soil in the big fabric pot (The small fabric pot had no nutrients)

Supermix = "contains minerals, trace elements, worm castings and seabird guano for the optimal development of the plant" - So I'm actually surprised if this is burning the plant, seems like a very mild nute. But maybe it's just the shock of it all.

The only thing I haven't seen before is the almost black edges of the new leaves. Frisian dew does have some purple to it, but I don't think that would show already(?)

Thanks again for all the inputs and reassurances and tips and tricks. Very useful!

 

[leatherbackturtle420]

Why did you transplant a bag into soil? They don't break down like a peat pot does.
Prolly half your issue right there. Probably too cold too, idk I'm just guessing.

What are the temps like? She looks cold, like near death cold. Mine only did that when they got hit by frost.

 

[HandyGringo]

Why did you transplant a bag into soil? They don't break down like a peat pot does.
Prolly half your issue right there. Probably too cold too, idk I'm just guessing.

What are the temps like? She looks cold, like near death cold. Mine only did that when they got hit by frost.

Supposedly the roots will grow right through those pots. I was sceptical too but everywhere I check I'm told that this is fine to do. (Less transplant stress) Feel free to correct me, because I've never done it before.

It's entirely possible I've just run into bad information and that the roots are having trouble.

Temps are 15c days and 10c nights currently(60f days 50f nights), but it has had some colder days before this. According to the seed vendor (From my own country), the strain should be able to tolerate being put outside in late March, so it was a bit of an experiment.

Edit: According to this thread - He called Smartpot and asked if you could bury the pots and they said no, they were not meant for "healthy root growth" So I guess I fucked up.

 

[Beeswings]

seabird guano

I think this can be very hot. What's the bag say for NPK? If you want to save this plant take the little pot out of the big pot, fill the big pot with known good soil for cannabis like a pro mix soil or oceans forest or something, transplant out of that little pot into the big pot and let it dry a little before watering and only water like a cup or 2 to start with. Also take it inside somewhere warmer for a couple more weeks like in a south facing window or something.

 

[HandyGringo]

I think this can be very hot. What's the bag say for NPK? If you want to save this plant take the little pot out of the big pot, fill the big pot with known good soil for cannabis like a pro mix soil or oceans forest or something, transplant out of that little pot into the big pot and let it dry a little before watering and only water like a cup or 2 to start with. Also take it inside somewhere warmer for a couple more weeks like in a south facing window or something.

It's an amendment you mix with your soil, but it says 1-2-0 I believe.

Thanks for the input, I'll get to transplanting. Will make sure there's at least a buffer of the plain Light mix soil between the plant and the hot soil, that's a decent option too, right?

 

[HandyGringo]

I repotted it as suggested. I was afraid when removing the smaller pot that there would be loads of roots sticking through it, but nope. Not a single one, so it was 100% the right move and I had made a mistake in putting it in there directly.

I repotted it and added a generous buffer of Biobizz Light mix (No nutrients) but the rest is still Biobizz Light mix amended with Supermix (1-2-0) - Let's see how it recovers. Thanks again for the help

Good callouts @leatherbackturtle420 and @Beeswings, surely it has not been a good situation for the roots to be stuck in there, probably wicking water and never getting to expand.

 

[conor c]

I repotted it as suggested. I was afraid when removing the smaller pot that there would be loads of roots sticking through it, but nope. Not a single one, so it was 100% the right move and I had made a mistake in putting it in there directly.

I repotted it and added a generous buffer of Biobizz Light mix (No nutrients) but the rest is still Biobizz Light mix amended with Supermix (1-2-0) - Let's see how it recovers. Thanks again for the help

Good callouts @leatherbackturtle420 and @Beeswings, surely it has not been a good situation for the roots to be stuck in there, probably wicking water and never getting to expand.

Now she can breath and let her roots grow out she should have a better chance mate no it is not a good situation thats how you get root rot bud

 

[HandyGringo]

Now she can breath and let her roots grow out she should have a better chance mate no it is not a good situation thats how you get root rot bud

Hopefully! Looks like the next week or two will be hot without rain, so that's perfect for the recovery as well. Let's see if we get a glow-up

 

[conor c]

Hopefully! Looks like the next week or two will be hot without rain, so that's perfect for the recovery as well. Let's see if we get a glow-up

Fingers crossed for you bud we got sun where i at rn but its windy still and not very warm still to early fir me il wait till may 2nd or something before i even start anything to go out for the 16th

 

[conor c]

get a 3ltr sodfa pop bottle, cut the bottom off of it and use it as a closh if it will be large enough

That or the big water bottle ones work well too for slightly bigger plants hell i even used plastic milk jugs as temp closhes for wee ones before it defo can help

 

[Nutty sKunK]

Fingers crossed for you bud we got sun where i at rn but its windy still and not very warm still to early fir me il wait till may 2nd or something before i even start anything to go out for the 16th

Do you run fast flowering versions outdoors?