Tracker
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Well @Budzbuddha , I'd say this method is pretty straight forward to achieve success. I've got a lot of fem seeds on the way. The buds are full of them.
Seed Making made easy - Selfing a plant
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The-Liquor
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How long after harvesting seeds are you able to germinate? Do you need to let them dry out and cure for a week or two before or can you right away and they will germinate?
I ask because I chopped down the seed maker on Sunday and the seeds appear to be mature, tiger stripped. I took a seed right away to germ. So far 4 days later nothing.. I really hope it's not because they are not viable.
I ask because I chopped down the seed maker on Sunday and the seeds appear to be mature, tiger stripped. I took a seed right away to germ. So far 4 days later nothing.. I really hope it's not because they are not viable.
Zinger59
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recommended to put in fridge for 30 days.
OldMedUser
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I like to give them a couple weeks to dry down but have sprouted some earlier and they worked OK. Fridge for long term storage but I've always used my own seeds from a week or so of cropping them to 15 years later that have never been in a fridge and they've all worked.
About 6 months ago I bought a used bar fridge and have been keeping my dozens of strains and hundreds of seeds in there but something went wrong with the thermostat and it got down to 25F then up to 45 and froze again a few times so I'm hoping I haven't killed them all.
May have killed my 4 mothers now. Was sick the last few days and forgot to water them. Gave them water a few hours ago and only one is beginning to perk up. Fingers crossed that the others come around.
The-Liquor
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I like to give them a couple weeks to dry down but have sprouted some earlier and they worked OK. Fridge for long term storage but I've always used my own seeds from a week or so of cropping them to 15 years later that have never been in a fridge and they've all worked.
About 6 months ago I bought a used bar fridge and have been keeping my dozens of strains and hundreds of seeds in there but something went wrong with the thermostat and it got down to 25F then up to 45 and froze again a few times so I'm hoping I haven't killed them all.
May have killed my 4 mothers now. Was sick the last few days and forgot to water them. Gave them water a few hours ago and only one is beginning to perk up. Fingers crossed that the others come around.
Sorry to hear that, I hope the mothers bounce back for you and your seeds still viable.
OldMedUser
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Thanks much. The 3 mothers are definitely dead but it's not a huge loss. Just 2 strains and my favourite one survived so that was an unplanned culling that I probably should have done anyway. They've been in slo-gro mode for about a year while I procrastinated about what to do with them.
Now I have a couple new strains that are more medically interesting to me. A 30:1 Seedsman CBD and a supposedly near narcotic THC strain called Paonia Purple Paralyzer. Lots of others to play with as well. There are some old bulk F1s in the same bag in the fridge so I'll toss some in some water tonight and if they sprout then the rest should be fine as those are probably 8 years old now.
Too many strains, not enough time.
Zinger59
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I agree, I'm 63Thanks much. The 3 mothers are definitely dead but it's not a huge loss. Just 2 strains and my favourite one survived so that was an unplanned culling that I probably should have done anyway. They've been in slo-gro mode for about a year while I procrastinated about what to do with them.
Now I have a couple new strains that are more medically interesting to me. A 30:1 Seedsman CBD and a supposedly near narcotic THC strain called Paonia Purple Paralyzer. Lots of others to play with as well. There are some old bulk F1s in the same bag in the fridge so I'll toss some in some water tonight and if they sprout then the rest should be fine as those are probably 8 years old now.
Too many strains, not enough time.
secretmicrogrow420
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OH MY GOD BRA I LOVE YOU i recently bought a clone from PCG the pinnacle cut it went straight into flower no veg at all and i have like 7 bud sites im gonna buy some of this silver stuff from amazon and spray this bitch down!!!!! thank you so much s1 seeds here i come! i had no idea you could even do this!!!!
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#BUYINGBUBBAKUSHSEEDS AND MAKING S1'S WITH THIS STUFF OMEGAW SO XCITED!
#MINDBLOWN!
#BUYINGBUBBAKUSHSEEDS AND MAKING S1'S WITH THIS STUFF OMEGAW SO XCITED!
FirstCavApache64
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I'm pretty sure you need to start several days before flip for it to be effective. If you already have well developed buds I'd think you're a little late for reversal. It depends on how long you've been in flower though.
OldMedUser
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You want a clone or two first. Start one flowering after a spray of STS then spray every 4 days or so until you see male flowers starting then begin flowering another clone which will be a full plant by then so you can use the collected pollen on it when it's 3 - 4 weeks into flowering. It can take a few weeks before male flowers start showing up then another week or more before pollen starts dropping.
I've managed to get male flowers starting my spraying 3 weeks into flowering tho so it can be done. That was doing one branch and not the whole plant as well.
BigFloppyDonkeyDick
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Hello all. I'm sorry that this is going to be a bit of a book but what I need to get doen is of the utmost importance to me. I have some grasp of everything here but I do have a few questions. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I am trying to save a very old genetic that Itook some serious effort to get to grow in the first place. So, here I go. Again, I'm sorry that this post is gonna be so long. In 1989, my uncle had this smoke that straight ripped and he loved it because he could get baked and still get his shit done. If I knew any better then, I'd have even said it probably was how he managed to plug away like he did. My grandfather, a firm believer that weed helped my uncle's cognitive fuction, decided he was going to cultivate some of the bag seeds since we lived in the country and he loved all gardening. In his head, my uncle wouldn't blow half of his paycheck on it every week and would finally be able to afford to go out on his own in the world. Well, he was right and after running a half-acre plot for two years, my uncle was on his way to start his life in the city. Grandpa had just cut the last harvest he ever ran since my uncle had moved on and he didn't smoke it. He had some seeded out plants as usual and he always saved seeds for the next year. Grandpa always thought that my uncle would make his way in the world and eventually come back home to the farm so he made sure to save this last batch of seeds (1992) so when he did come home, he'd have his seeds ready to go. We cut the plants at the ground and they were hung in the barn with brown paper on the floor under them to catch any seeds that fell out while we were moving things around. After we took the dry plants down, we bucked the buds off of them and began breaking down each one by hand, collecting any seeds that looked good. Of course, back then, I just did what grandpa said because I didn't know the difference between a good seed and an immature seed. While doing all this, I absolutely hated life because I'd have rather been outside playing or watching TV than being stuck with that boring ass work. Grandpa let the seeds dry inside for probably two more months on brown paper bags in my uncle's old room and then we got to work storing them. 100 at a time, we put them into black film canisters with cotton balls and we taped the lids shut with freezer tape. After that, I didn't know what grandpa did with them. My uncle never moved back and my grandfather died in 1997. I grew up and moved out. My dad had the farm until he died and then it went to my aunt. She was diagnosed with advanced liver cancer in 2021 and could no longer keep the place up so I took it back and began cleaning the house out preparing to put it back to the way it was when we built it which was the way it was when grandpa died. I was in the basement and cleaning out the deep freezers and in the chest, There was a false bottom. If it wasn't for it having a small chip in the corner, I'd have never known it was even there. Grandpa had taken the canisters and put them into wrapping paper tubes, then wrapped them with cheesecloth and brown freezer paper. I never saw this step so I was quite surprised when I found them. In total, there were 14 film canisters in each tube and there were 8 tubes. They were dated, in mygrandfather's handwriting, "18 January 1991". I put seven of the tubes back in the freezer and took one home with me as I had no equipment there to work with. When I got home I put the tube in my lab freezer which is set to -10° F and left them there until I had time too play. When I pulled the first canister out I immediately pulled 30 seeds from it washed them all in an H²O² solution under my flow hood. I let them dry and then put 10 of them in another, milder, H²O² solution with sterile water and Plant Catalyst to soak over night. 24 hours later, they had sunk and I moved them to a paper towel soaked in the same solution. 7 days later, only two had opened and one had damped off. I left the others to try and it was a no go. The one that did live was transplanted to rockwool and fed with cloning solution. The growth was very slow for the fist 3 weeks or so, but began growing at a normal rate after being switched to Remo and being put under the SP3000. In the meantime, I started on the last 20 that I pulled and gave them the same sterile wash. These, I checked the softness of the testa hourly until I felt they were ready to be artificially sprouted. I pulled them from their solution, removed the testa manually and placed them under a aeroponic spray head. I then, prepared a sterile batch of agar, amended with a sugar-based nutrient blend, and biochar. I took the uncovered embryos and placed them in 60mm petri dishes. Taking the embryos out of the shell gave them a far better chance as 18 of the 20 started growing with only 1 damping off before being moved to rockwool. Again, early develpoment was slow, but the shoots started in agar took off, roughly two weeks earlier than the one that had to fight its way out of the shell. Now I have ran the entire canister of seeds and have had a success rate of roughtly 85% with 60% of those being females. It is exactly as I remember it and actually very stable and very uniform. I've only seen 2 radically different phenos from 50 plants with around 3% showing the variation. Now, this is why it is so important to me. So, I am ready for the hate as so many are quick to throw it out there. These seeds are the old school midwest skank. These seeds are from central IL (champaign-Urbana area). I know there are going to be naysayers and that is on them. I was there when the seeds were grown, I was there when they were harvested and preserved, and I am here now, doing everything I can, to preserve the genetic material. My questions are not so much about how to self, but about the ideal conditions indoors. The 3% pheno is not as branchy as the the others but it's bud size is pretty impressive. The normal pheno has round, nickel to quarter sized nugs while the 3% pheno puts on elongated nugs, roughly the size of a double shot glass. The effect, smell, and taste are very much the same in either variety, but the potential yield of the 3% pheno is roughly 30-40% over the more common one. Both take to topping well and have lower branches that take off once apical dominance is broken. The nug size, with good light penetration, stays really decent to about 7-8 nodes down each branch with the tops being roughly double the size of the secondaries. All in all, it has a lot of potential. It's already sought after for nostalgic reasons and it's stink, but with some work, that was never done intentionally before, it could be a yield beast and a great parent for new strains. I want to start isolating the 3% pheno in a separate study and create a secondary stable RKS that yeilds more and is a little stronger, but doesn't deviate from the effects it was (is) known for. Now, I am new to breeding but have a pretty solid understanding of how to accomplish what I need to. The things I need to know, if anyone would like to chime in are: 1) How much light do I really need to get good solid seed harvests? Late in the season, while seeds are developing outdoors, It doesn't seem the light is that intense, so I'm thinking between 500 and 600 µ/mol should be more than enough but I'm not sure. 2) What kind of feeding makes for the healthies seeds? I get it's kind of a fruiting phase, but it really isn't. To be more specific, what is a good target N-P-K when feeding seeds instead of buds? 3) It seems that UV would be of little concern when it comes to producing seed, but what about IR? I know red is definitely higher in the fall, but are we talking photo red, far red, or IR, or all of them? Any help would be appreciated folks. Again, I apologize for the book but I wanted to share what is going on. I'm not here looking to get rich. I'm not even here with the motive of selling seeds once I get the genetic back to place where I'd be ready to let it go. Eventually, I will be sharing the genes, but for now, I'm focused on making sure that it doesn't wind up in 'extinct' category again. I hope those who read this understand what my goal is here and that i am NOT here to try to sell anything. I am just looking for pointers to help increase the odds of the success of thos project. Any advice is greatly appreciated. I thank those of you who do read this, for reading and have a wonderful day/night.
OldMedUser
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Sorry man it's way too late and I can't read a wall of text right now.
Zinger59
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good germ rate for 30 yo seed. I like old strains also especially blueberries. Selfing will limit your quest, I would stay the course with natural pollination. Cheers from Canada.
BigFloppyDonkeyDick
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I wanted to share this with you guys as it's one of the better ones out there. Ok, so that didn't post. Its a book in pdf format. It's The Cannabis Breeder's Bible from Greg Green and it's a great resource. Any tips on how to upload it to share?
OldMedUser
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Anybody wants it should be able to download it from here. Great resource for books of all kinds.
The Cannabis Breeder's Bible: The Definitive Guide to Marijuana Genetics, Cannabis Botany and Creating Strains for the Seed Market by Greg Green - PDF Drive
The Cannabis Breeder’s Bible sets a new standard of excellence for cannabis cultivation and breeding manuals and gives readers the tools they need to grow the most popular and potent marijuana varieties and strains in the world. Readers of this complete guide to expert breeding techniques will lea