How much does genetics really matter for seeds? How much of it is a scam?

Tolerance Break

Tolerance Break

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smokerjimbob said:
It's there according to the Internet. I guess the possibility that it's there is the reason why we are here trying to grow and spend our hard earned dollars on this hobby. Apparently it's not being shared in the commercial industry. Can't find good weed in any dispensary. Can't find street weed anymore. Just impossible to find in general. But supposedly you can pheno hunt it I guess? Either way I will find out unless someone decides to mail me some fire. I spend hella money on weed from the dispensary. If you got the fire and you're a dependable source you've got a steady buyer trust me ;)
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Theres your problem... I dont think the commercial market is interested in selling that good shit, because its not purple candy gas. Thats why people always talk about terps and rarely the high these days, alot of them dont know a really powerful high outside of concentrates, which lasts maybe 20 minutes. Thats why I am looking into heirloom shit. Old sativa, spindly 18 plus week monster plants that no dispo would ever touch. Im not jumping in the deep end just yet, Ive got some dialing in to do, working on a Mango C5 haze thats probably going to go 14 to 16 weeks, but mark my words, I am hunting for that fire, and I will find it.

Youre right though, its all word of mouth until its in my pipe.
 
Unga Bunga

Unga Bunga

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Ugly weed . Before the dispensaries opened up in Massachusetts my nephew dealt with a collective of home growers . He brought me a bag of Headbanger that really wasn't too pretty . Damn good smoke though . The stuff my buddy and I use to guerilla grow didn't have much bag appeal either but like I've said it was super stoney . I smoked it for 25+ years and it always did the trick .
 
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smokerjimbob

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Tolerance Break said:
Theres your problem... I dont think the commercial market is interested in selling that good shit, because its not purple candy gas. Thats why people always talk about terps and rarely the high these days, alot of them dont know a really powerful high outside of concentrates, which lasts maybe 20 minutes. Thats why I am looking into heirloom shit. Old sativa, spindly 18 plus week monster plants that no dispo would ever touch. Im not jumping in the deep end just yet, Ive got some dialing in to do, working on a Mango C5 haze thats probably going to go 14 to 16 weeks, but mark my words, I am hunting for that fire, and I will find it.

Youre right though, its all word of mouth until its in my pipe.
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Yup that's right. Although I may have found like some local grown stuff that is high grade mids. When I grow the real shit or buy the real shit I'll believe it. That's why I don't think it's that easy to be found. If there is a fire pheno to be found why won't a commercial guy find one, get a license, mass clone it, and then sell it? Real high grade stuff would have great demand in the commercial market.
 
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Nutty sKunK

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smokerjimbob said:
Yup that's right. Although I may have found like some local grown stuff that is high grade mids. When I grow the real shit or buy the real shit I'll believe it. That's why I don't think it's that easy to be found. If there is a fire pheno to be found why won't a commercial guy find one, get a license, mass clone it, and then sell it? Real high grade stuff would have great demand in the commercial market.
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Money… make more money with a faster turn around/yield.

Pretty much everything that’s wrong with the world can be attributed to folk wanting more money :/
 
Trap Star

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I'm in TX....so if it's not Oklahoma it's denver or cali...or NM.

Commercial growers are not concerned with THE FIRE!!!! They make money off of weed...they grow weed....they sell weed...mids...reggie...fire it doesn't matter as long as people buy it.

It's the responsibility of craft growers to uphold the FIRE. Can't get mad with the breeder...
Can't complain that the FIRE is going out
We have to find it...
We have to clone it.
We have to keep it..
Just like the ones before us..

Keepers of The FLAME
 
Tolerance Break

Tolerance Break

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Trap Star said:
I'm in TX....so if it's not Oklahoma it's denver or cali...or NM.

Commercial growers are not concerned with THE FIRE!!!! They make money off of weed...they grow weed....they sell weed...mids...reggie...fire it doesn't matter as long as people buy it.

It's the responsibility of craft growers to uphold the FIRE. Can't get mad with the breeder...
Can't complain that the FIRE is going out
We have to find it...
We have to clone it.
We have to keep it..
Just like the ones before us..

Keepers of The FLAME
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They ain't breeding shit. They chuck pollen, make selections, and move on to the next project. In the grand scheme of cannabis, there are relatively few "breeders" imo
 
Trap Star

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To stick to the OP...
CSI Humboldt is one of the few breeders that help random people spit out FIRE.

That csi thread is full of nice looking bud an the word potent is used often in that thread
 
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TheWholeTruth

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HandyGringo said:
Had no idea how to phrase this question, so I hope I can make my question make a little more sense here.

Cannabis seeds aren't true to their parent plant, right? The only way to get a plant true to the parent is by cloning. Yes?

I watched this video of a guy going through all the seed companies selling fake "Bruce Banner" seeds

Which leads to me to the question, which strains are real and which aren't? How much difference does strain make, if they're not true to their seeds? If I'm just being sold some nonsense with a made-up name, does it even matter which seeds I buy?

Would appreciate it if someone could explain it or perhaps link to a guide or thread about this. I feel like the more I learn about the cannabis industry, the more it just seems like a massive scam. Like cannabis nutrients being super expensive for no reason.
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Of course if a breeder was to actualy test its parents on a few diffrent things they should be able to see exactly wat each parent brings to the table. The seeds should come out true to this if the work is put in and they should also be testing the resulting seed. But if breeders arnt bothering to test and just using parents cus they have a fancy name or look good or have decent flower well then they realy dont know whats going to come out. Its why most things nowdays come out the way they do. Cuz no one wants to take a year or two two to breed proper strains from properly tested and selected parents.
 
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TheWholeTruth

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DanKiller said:
Sorry man you must live in a very nice place if you get better than before weed, I haven't seen it in dealers or the med market in my country, simply non existent.
We had killer strains before 2018, now it's all gone.
If we are real real, there is very little good weed out there right now, not in my country, not in AMS, not in Thailand, Not in the states...
I went to all those places in the last 2 years, things are not looking good to say the least.
Even the farmers in marocoo are suffering, when I visited last year I was shocked, don't bother dreaming about that super banger marocoo hash from 2005, it's gone.
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Ther are quite afew cuts about from mothers way older than 2018[/QUOTE]
 
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TheWholeTruth said:
Of course if a breeder was to actualy test its parents on a few diffrent things they should be able to see exactly wat each parent brings to the table. The seeds should come out true to this if the work is put in and they should also be testing the resulting seed. But if breeders arnt bothering to test and just using parents cus they have a fancy name or look good or have decent flower well then they realy dont know whats going to come out. Its why most things nowdays come out the way they do. Cuz no one wants to take a year or two two to breed proper strains from properly tested and selected parents.
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This is why I find Bohdi so impressive. He's working on a dozen combinations at any given time, and he puts the work in to making sure each and every one of them brings something to the table. I've seen thousands of posts about his gear and maybe 4 possibly sexualy unstable plants? The people were disappointed, but not one of them were adverse to running more of his gear because that's the kind of pedigree his shit has. His DLA 9 was the easiest grow I've ever had, and the smoke wasn't bad either. Not the aforementioned "fire" but wonderful after work, relaxation weed.
 
Trap Star

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I started running plants with bodhi ....Pura Vida & Golden Triangle.

Never had a herm ...
A solid breeder for sure
Plus he is connected to a ton of mother plants
 
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smokerjimbob

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I'm speaking about my country, all the cuts that were fire prior to 2018 are now not.
That's what's baffling, it's the same cuts but somehow they are bunk.
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They were the best phenos found from that lineage. My guess is that in 2018 new commercial growers were using clones of the best pheno they could find. As they grew and had to ramp up production they found that cloning couldn't support the yield necessary. So they started growing from seed. So what people smoke now are just some random seed from a plant in the lineage of that mother. That like literally means nothing in terms of quality of smoke to the original. They may look similar but the amount of resin, stickiness, terp concentration are probably much weaker compared to the "fire" mother.
 
Unga Bunga

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It's a lot of work to get a plant to produce seeds that all grow into one desired phenotype . And as I said some posts back cannabis is handicapped by the present lack of knowledge . At this point it's those with a true love of the plant and decades of experience who can accomplish it via eye , nose , flavor , and effects .
 
Unga Bunga

Unga Bunga

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smokerjimbob said:
I'm speaking about my country, all the cuts that were fire prior to 2018 are now not.
That's what's baffling, it's the same cuts but somehow they are bunk.
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They were the best phenos found from that lineage. My guess is that in 2018 new commercial growers were using clones of the best pheno they could find. As they grew and had to ramp up production they found that cloning couldn't support the yield necessary. So they started growing from seed. So what people smoke now are just some random seed from a plant in the lineage of that mother. That like literally means nothing in terms of quality of smoke to the original. They may look similar but the amount of resin, stickiness, terp concentration are probably much weaker compared to the "fire" mother.
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This is where phenotype #1 , 2 , 3 , 15 , etc muck things up . One guy breeds with one and another guy breeds with another and call the seeds the same thing . In reality it's all fruit salad .
 
Trap Star

Trap Star

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We never are going to get 1 pheno type per pack ...
I'm just looking for the pheno that blast people pass the moon.

I think it comes from people that don't smoke -- growing weed.
 
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