Never seen this before.. need help

mattman089

mattman089

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In my 15 years of growing…

Two plants in an 18 gal bin, they were doing fine until the last couple weeks. Weird browning / dying leaves from the underside…


These are at 54 days. Previous harvests (2-3 per month) have been coming out fine but for the life of me trying to understand what’s going on here.
Not sure if they’re stressed or what. I did notice around the time things got weird they pistils were brown much sooner than they should have been.

Any tips/thoughts/ideas? Cant imagine taking these down in two weeks looking like this and would also hate to throw them away as I’m looking forward to the genetics.

thx
 

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Phytoplankton

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Have you done anything different? Different water supply? Doesn’t look good! I don’t like the way the leaves look like they’re rolled down from the edges. I’m wish I had an absolute answer for you, maybe a root or ph issue, maybe even a toxicity or deficiency. Hopefully more will chime in. The undamaged portions of the leaves look nice and green, maybe too green. Maybe old nutes have gone bad?
 
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Phytoplankton said:
Have you done anything different? Different water supply? Doesn’t look good! I don’t like the way the leaves look like they’re rolled down from the edges. I’m wish I had an absolute answer for you, maybe a root or ph issue, maybe even a toxicity or deficiency. Hopefully more will chime in. The undamaged portions of the leaves look nice and green, maybe too green. Maybe old nutes have gone bad?
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Im right there with ya man. It’s blowing my mind.
Im thinking maybe drainage but no idea.

I use gaia green and Just checked my notes and on 6/14 I noted accidentally giving her the 4-4-4 all purpose that’s typically used in veg instead of the 2-8-4… I still put in some 2-8-4 so I’m thinking it may be a toxicity after all. Completely forgot about that but damn… not sure if it would be that drastic…
 
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StoneDHedgE said:
Look super salted up to me. Total lock up. Garbage if it was me.
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You think so??? Don’t think she would bounce back over time??? Wondering if I should take her outside and put a shit ton of water through her w those hose to get the salts out… I’d hate to toss them this close to harvest but the thought has crossed my mind also
 
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This is the same plant right before I gave her a months serving of the 4-4-4 followed by 2-8-4 after realizing what I did. She was doing great… seems to have slowly gone down hill since then..

Further - went through a bout of spider mites on this plant too but was able to knock them out w organi shield and haven’t seen any signs of them
 

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Budzbuddha said:
Look at those Deep purple stems - stress - torched leaf - small flower growth.
Leaf droop / Tacoing …… lots of things going on.

Basically larf growth.
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Think a flush would help / be worth it…? Just run water through it for 10 mins or so and start fresh?.

Super bummed about this I must’ve had a drink the night I gave her veg nutes and then flower nutes after realizing i
 
FmSwayze

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Very interesting problem. Good catch on the amendment goof. Love notes. I wouldn't trash it, for science purposes. As long as it's isolated as in not pest related that hasn't revealed themselves, I'm curious as to what the fix is. I want to see you win! My vote on a good water flash, then some recharge or tribus.
 
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mattman089 said:
Im right there with ya man. It’s blowing my mind.
Im thinking maybe drainage but no idea.

I use gaia green and Just checked my notes and on 6/14 I noted accidentally giving her the 4-4-4 all purpose that’s typically used in veg instead of the 2-8-4… I still put in some 2-8-4 so I’m thinking it may be a toxicity after all. Completely forgot about that but damn… not sure if it would be that drastic…
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Actually 4-4-4 alone wouldn’t have been a problem. Totally possible to run a entire grow on that.
 
mattman089

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FmSwayze said:
Very interesting problem. Good catch on the amendment goof. Love notes. I wouldn't trash it, for science purposes. As long as it's isolated as in not pest related that hasn't revealed themselves, I'm curious as to what the fix is. I want to see you win! My vote on a good water flash, then some recharge or tribus.
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This is where I am. And will be good r&d so not a total loss either way I suppose. I appreciate the support! Haha
 
ProPheT 216

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Totally cooked with over fertilization. You heavily defoliated and left no extra leaf. Then burt up what you had left. If it's a photo you could drag out veg inside and try to get her healthy. But if she's outside she's trash man
 
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ProPheT 216 said:
Totally cooked with over fertilization. You heavily defoliated and left no extra leaf. Then burt up what you had left. If it's a photo you could drag out veg inside and try to get her healthy. But if she's outside she's trash man
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She’s inside. Do you think flushing w the house for 10-15 mins and adding a compost tea w some myko after would do anything at all? That’s what I’m thinking of doing tomorrow got 2 gal of some tea brewing now.

If not, you recommend re-vegging her? I would honestly hate to do that haha

Edit to add: in this particular instance I had to defol a bit more due to spider mites and successfully spraying them if that makes sense. But that said, and in my personal opinion only, I don’t think I defol’d too much. That said - I do appreciate the feedback and it’s definitely (defolnitely? lol) taken into consideration. Thx growmie
 
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ProPheT 216 said:
you have to understand that you have no leaf production after stretch ends. No leaf equals no weight. Looking at your defoliated plant I would say you need to start a journal and accept help along the way.
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lol.. I love help and it’s literally why I’m posting…

What’s wrong w the defol? It’s something I always do and have never had issues.. which is again, why I’m looking for feedback.

Edit to add: I had to do a more significant defol with these due to a random spider mite bout that I’ve also never experienced before. So while I had to defol like I normally do, I don’t think in my opinion it was anything too significant but I appreciate your feedback and take it into consideration for sure. I think what I’m gathering from my notes is that I had too much bourbon one night and double fed these gals lol

Added a few pics from past grows to show my regular / normal results. This one has me fucked up but I’m almost certain I over fed her.

Hoping flush and a tea will work but not convinced. Maybe just re-veg or toss. I run a perpetual grow so next harvest is in two weeks.
 

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StoneDHedgE

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mattman089 said:
She’s inside. Do you think flushing w the house for 10-15 mins and adding a compost tea w some myko after would do anything at all? That’s what I’m thinking of doing tomorrow got 2 gal of some tea brewing now.

If not, you recommend re-vegging her? I would honestly hate to do that haha

Edit to add: in this particular instance I had to defol a bit more due to spider mites and successfully spraying them if that makes sense. But that said, and in my personal opinion only, I don’t think I defol’d too much. That said - I do appreciate the feedback and it’s definitely (defolnitely? lol) taken into consideration. Thx growmie
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Reveg. That would be a miracle by the looks of her. If you must, it would be better. To take a cut off it. Clone it and try to re veg that.
 
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My guess would be that something threw the pH waaaaay off. I ran into a similar problem awhile back and when I checked the runoff, it was 4.0. I immediately over-corrected with some water that I pH'd to 8.5 and basically flushed the pots until I got the runoff to be ~6.5. Once I got a regular runoff, I just made sure that everytime I watered, the pH of whatever was going in, was at 6.5. It took a few weeks, but the plants bounced back. I suspect that some of the peat moss in the mix started breaking down and acidifying the root zone so that the plants couldn't uptake any nutrients....basically starving them. That's just a guess. I'd never had anything happen like that before, either. I knew the soil had nutrients in it, so I wasn't underfeeding them. The only other thing it could have been was pH....and it was.
 
mattman089

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StoneDHedgE said:
Reveg. That would be a miracle by the looks of her. If you must, it would be better. To take a cut off it. Clone it and try to re veg that.
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You should see my clone bins.. they’re absurd.. in a good way just have a lot lol

I guess that’s the sad part about it.. I’m so close to harvest I don’t want to put another one in to flower but many are already available / rooted lolol. Real estate / space is always hard to come lolol
 
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