Will it be safe to change lights?

desplegado

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Hello I'm a new growers and the light I'm using is fine for them to grow there 3rd set but I don't think it will work from on out its just a cheap light from Amazon I already bought a new one and I'm wondering if it's going to be fine if I change them? this is the light im using and there's 2 plants in the tent
i bought the vipar xs1500Screenshot_20240723_151320_Amazon Shopping.jpgScreenshot_20240723_151327_Amazon Shopping.jpg
 
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ProPheT 216

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Yea, start dim. 30 percent or so let em adjust. Then 50 next week, then 75%, and finally around week three u should be able to have your light all the way on. Young plants don't like intense light at first.
 

ptrgrow

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these blue lila light is good 4 vegetative stage 400-600ppfd in seedling stage 200-400ppfd (the old lights when led start was this colors) but in bloom you need 600-900ppfd maybe last 2 weeks of bloom 1000ppfd and we need more red spektrum. in bloom use the xs1500 then. idont like vipaspectra, but the light will be good enough:rolleyes: and is white fullspektrum light! you can use it ,for vegetative and bloom and can change it now if you want 40cm away 25-30% maybe!

here is the ppfd map look the light is 2 or 3 times more powerful then the lila blue:
71RgeQey+2L._AC_SL1500_.jpghere the xs1500 ppfd map ^^ sry i post the xs1500 pro before...

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look more red/orange and yellow spectrum then blue
 
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Delps8

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I would not use those lights unless I had no other option.

In a small grow space, I would go with the Vipar XS-1500 Pro.

(checks the OP's message again) - good you have a Vipar. Is it the XS 1500 or the XS-1500 Pro? I've got the 1500, which I bought a few years back, and the Pro is a far superior product. The cheap lights whose pictures you've posted generate very little usable light.

Simple point - at 12", the PPFD map (light intensity) shows that a tiny square in the middle is 512µmol (micro mol). That's not enough for flower. If you move a few inches away from center, the light levels collapse. Seedlings should be run at 300 and you should get your plants to 800-1000 in flower. Those lights might be good for some plants but can not produce adequate levels of light for cannabis.

How big is your grow space?

If you're in a 2' x 4', I'd add another XS-1500 Pro.
 

ptrgrow

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I would not use those lights unless I had no other option.

In a small grow space, I would go with the Vipar XS-1500 Pro.

(checks the OP's message again) - good you have a Vipar. Is it the XS 1500 or the XS-1500 Pro? I've got the 1500, which I bought a few years back, and the Pro is a far superior product. The cheap lights whose pictures you've posted generate very little usable light.

Simple point - at 12", the PPFD map (light intensity) shows that a tiny square in the middle is 512µmol (micro mol). That's not enough for flower. If you move a few inches away from center, the light levels collapse. Seedlings should be run at 300 and you should get your plants to 800-1000 in flower. Those lights might be good for some plants but can not produce adequate levels of light for cannabis.

How big is your grow space?

If you're in a 2' x 4', I'd add another XS-1500 Pro.
oh oh delps8 is here huhu ! and oops i look the wrong ppfd map...but i correct it....
 
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desplegado

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I would not use those lights unless I had no other option.

In a small grow space, I would go with the Vipar XS-1500 Pro.

(checks the OP's message again) - good you have a Vipar. Is it the XS 1500 or the XS-1500 Pro? I've got the 1500, which I bought a few years back, and the Pro is a far superior product. The cheap lights whose pictures you've posted generate very little usable light.

Simple point - at 12", the PPFD map (light intensity) shows that a tiny square in the middle is 512µmol (micro mol). That's not enough for flower. If you move a few inches away from center, the light levels collapse. Seedlings should be run at 300 and you should get your plants to 800-1000 in flower. Those lights might be good for some plants but can not produce adequate levels of light for cannabis.

How big is your grow space?

If you're in a 2' x 4', I'd add another XS-1500 Pro.
2.5x2.5 and it is the pro
And the only reason I used the Amazon one was bc I didn't have the money and I bought a better one when I did
Do you know how far away and how bright it needs to be?
 
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Greengrouch

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https://a.co/d/2laO3kE. Return that thing lol get something like this https://a.co/d/2laO3kE. I been broke and trying to start before, it’s a pain but get everything setup well enough to finish before starting, if you can’t afford an appropriately specced light, save up another paycheck or 2 otherwise you just throwing money away. But yeah for a 2.5x2.5ft tent you want about 150w of led, a 315w cmh would also do https://a.co/d/3OopcL4
 

Delps8

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2.5x2.5 and it is the pro
And the only reason I used the Amazon one was bc I didn't have the money and I bought a better one when I did
Do you know how far away and how bright it needs to be?
Excellent! That's a super product.

@ptrgrow has been good enough to post the PPFD map for the XS-1500 and the XS-1500 Pro is shown here. You can see that with the new light, the hot spot that the old light had in the center is gone. The older model had a higher PPFD right in the center but the values in the corners were much lower. Vipar changed the design and there's no more than 10% light loss across the canopy.

How to set up the light?

From their FAQ page:

"Q: What height do I hang the Viparspectra Pro Series Grow Lights?

A: For seedlings, you should hang the lights 22 inches above the canopy. For the vegetative and flowering phase, you should hang the lights 12 inches above the canopy."

That's a very high hang height and you'd have to run at 100% to get good light on your plants so I'm not convinced that's the best approach.

They also advise that you turn the dimmer to 40% for the last two weeks of flower. I wouldn't recommend that.

OK, so what's the answer?

Check out the reply from @ptrgrow up thread. I agree with the numbers for seedling but the numbers for veg and flower are very conservative. The simple answer is to give your plants as much light as they can tolerate. And, well, how much is that?

Hang height and Dimmer Percentage Estimates
For seedling, 14" at 40% or 50% and see how the plant reacts. If it handles it well, bump it up a little but you're probably not going get much over 50% until your into veg. Once you've got some bulk in the plant, it's mature enough to go to 60% or so. If it starts tacoing, drop it by 10%. A few days later, try giving it a bit more. Once you hit mid-veg you should be at 80% and then 100% for flower.

PPFD Values
At the start of veg, at least 400, rising to 600 within a few weeks after the plant is established and then jump 100µmol every day. In veg, you'll get to 600 or 700 and then it will take a while to get to 800-1000. That range is where most cannabis grows will max out.

If your plant can't tolerate a given amount of light, it will let you know by the leaves "tacoing" ("canoeing") or rotating to a vertical orientation. When cannabis plants get too much light, they do that to reduce the amount of leaf area exposed to the light. They'll start turning in a few minutes and within about 30 minutes, it will be clear that your light setting is too high. I've had that happen twice and all I had to do was turn the dimmer down and the leaves rotated back. It doesn't harm the plant, assuming that you catch it quickly.

The above are estimates because I've always used a light meter and I use PPFD values but I think those are good numbers to work with. The most important think is to watch your plants and turn the dimmer up or down as appropriate.

A good sign is when your leaves "pray" because they elevate above horizontal, up toward the light. I believe that plants are right on the edge of too much light at that point but I have to admit that I haven't tested that theory. I've never seen any issues with plants that are praying ("they're so happy, they should get a room") but I have had a couple times when my plants have gotten too much light and it was easy to fix the issue - turn the dimmer down.

Why go through this? Because cannabis is a light whore loves light and crop yield and quality increase in an almost linear manner as light levels increase. Plants that don't get much light won't yield much and they'll be tall and skinny with not a lot of branches and a small number of large leaves. A "well fed" plan (because plants get energy from the sugars they make because of light), will be bushy, with lots of leaves and short strong branches. That will turn into lots of flowers and it's much easier to harvest a shorter plant than a tall one.


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desplegado

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https://a.co/d/2laO3kE. Return that thing lol get something like this https://a.co/d/2laO3kE. I been broke and trying to start before, it’s a pain but get everything setup well enough to finish before starting, if you can’t afford an appropriately specced light, save up another paycheck or 2 otherwise you just throwing money away. But yeah for a 2.5x2.5ft tent you want about 150w of led, a 315w cmh would also do https://a.co/d/3OopcL4
Return what I've already bought a new light plus can't its been over 30 days
 

desplegado

Well-Known Member
Excellent! That's a super product.

@ptrgrow has been good enough to post the PPFD map for the XS-1500 and the XS-1500 Pro is shown here. You can see that with the new light, the hot spot that the old light had in the center is gone. The older model had a higher PPFD right in the center but the values in the corners were much lower. Vipar changed the design and there's no more than 10% light loss across the canopy.

How to set up the light?

From their FAQ page:

"Q: What height do I hang the Viparspectra Pro Series Grow Lights?

A: For seedlings, you should hang the lights 22 inches above the canopy. For the vegetative and flowering phase, you should hang the lights 12 inches above the canopy."

That's a very high hang height and you'd have to run at 100% to get good light on your plants so I'm not convinced that's the best approach.

They also advise that you turn the dimmer to 40% for the last two weeks of flower. I wouldn't recommend that.

OK, so what's the answer?

Check out the reply from @ptrgrow up thread. I agree with the numbers for seedling but the numbers for veg and flower are very conservative. The simple answer is to give your plants as much light as they can tolerate. And, well, how much is that?

Hang height and Dimmer Percentage Estimates
For seedling, 14" at 40% or 50% and see how the plant reacts. If it handles it well, bump it up a little but you're probably not going get much over 50% until your into veg. Once you've got some bulk in the plant, it's mature enough to go to 60% or so. If it starts tacoing, drop it by 10%. A few days later, try giving it a bit more. Once you hit mid-veg you should be at 80% and then 100% for flower.

PPFD Values
At the start of veg, at least 400, rising to 600 within a few weeks after the plant is established and then jump 100µmol every day. In veg, you'll get to 600 or 700 and then it will take a while to get to 800-1000. That range is where most cannabis grows will max out.

If your plant can't tolerate a given amount of light, it will let you know by the leaves "tacoing" ("canoeing") or rotating to a vertical orientation. When cannabis plants get too much light, they do that to reduce the amount of leaf area exposed to the light. They'll start turning in a few minutes and within about 30 minutes, it will be clear that your light setting is too high. I've had that happen twice and all I had to do was turn the dimmer down and the leaves rotated back. It doesn't harm the plant, assuming that you catch it quickly.

The above are estimates because I've always used a light meter and I use PPFD values but I think those are good numbers to work with. The most important think is to watch your plants and turn the dimmer up or down as appropriate.

A good sign is when your leaves "pray" because they elevate above horizontal, up toward the light. I believe that plants are right on the edge of too much light at that point but I have to admit that I haven't tested that theory. I've never seen any issues with plants that are praying ("they're so happy, they should get a room") but I have had a couple times when my plants have gotten too much light and it was easy to fix the issue - turn the dimmer down.

Why go through this? Because cannabis is a light whore loves light and crop yield and quality increase in an almost linear manner as light levels increase. Plants that don't get much light won't yield much and they'll be tall and skinny with not a lot of branches and a small number of large leaves. A "well fed" plan (because plants get energy from the sugars they make because of light), will be bushy, with lots of leaves and short strong branches. That will turn into lots of flowers and it's much easier to harvest a shorter plant than a tall one.


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They are about 3-4 weeks in and have 2 sets of true leaves growing there 3rd would this be considered the veg stage?
 

Delps8

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They are about 3-4 weeks in and have 2 sets of true leaves growing there 3rd would this be considered the veg stage?
At three weeks, most plants have four nodes ('cause day 21 is usually when you top them). Is this the plant in another thread? It looks OK but not highly developed.
 

desplegado

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At three weeks, most plants have four nodes ('cause day 21 is usually when you top them). Is this the plant in another thread? It looks OK but not highly developed.
No I have 2 in a 2.5x 2.5 there growing there 3rd set rn
The one in the other thread is in a homade tent
 
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