Are you better off today, than you were 4 years ago when Trump was POTUS?

hanimmal

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I didn't look at the date on this until this morning, looks like 4 years ago last week was when Trump was crowing about working with his dictator pals hiking up our gas prices which led to skyrocketing prices that we Americans had to pay at the pump.

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Our troops were being bombed in Afghanistan. I was curious if this one was where Trump said that we had a couple troops who got headaches (when it was over 30 with traumatic brain injuries), but that was jan 2020 not this one.

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Today 4 years ago, Michigan passed 1,000 dead. Meanwhile Trump was talking up his 'numbers'.

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hanimmal

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Yesterday was a big day 4 years ago. Trump's pact to increase our gas prices with the worlds dictators was finalized, America for the first time ever had all 50 states declare a emergency, and Fauci came out and said if we had done more Trump would have been able to save a lot of the eventual over million people who died here from Covid, while Abbott in Texas plays politics with the virus and the anti-science/ government culture wars really start heating up.
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hanimmal

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Random rabbit-hole below:

I was curious about #9 in the above post about a pig slaughterhouse shutting down after being open from Covid and all their workers getting sick due to it and them staying open with no protective measures really being taken. I wanted to see if they were doing better/worse now since and was surprised to see something that looks like a troll in the making.

So I googled them to see what they are up to today, and noticed the second one that after reading was about a house bill it peaked my interest. They are saying that they are not a Chinese company, because they paid off the loan that was from them, but that just means that the money has been fully washed, not that they still can't be a vector of attack on our economy by the Chinese military.

https://www.smithfieldtimes.com/2024/03/14/smithfield-foods-denies-house-gop-letters-chinese-infiltration-claim/
The people trying to pass it is what jumped out at me:

They are saying it is because they got a huge loan and are a puppet company. They might be, but it might be worth Democrats being ready to not fall for the immediate push back on the radicalized MAGA congress doing this. I think can be a trap when it finally starts being pushed by bullshit propaganda trolls trying to trigger the responses they want.

It is like a propaganda pick your adventure edition. No chance that is used as a bullshit troll on Biden in some stupid October surprise to try to make it look like Biden is hurting our economy/Democrats helping Chinese companies trying to hurt 'real America' or some shit like that if they kill the bill somehow.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/chinese-owned-pork-producer-smithfield-prepares-us-listing-wsj-2023-10-19/
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Oct 19 (Reuters) - Smithfield Foods' Chinese owner WH Group (0288.HK)is working with banks to take the U.S.-based pork producer public again in the United States, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with the matter.

Smithfield could list its shares as early as next year, the WSJ reported, adding that the deliberations are ongoing and the timing could change.

"The company regularly evaluates relisting Smithfield's stock in the U.S., but there is no time-table for it," WH Group said in an emailed statement to Reuters.

Smithfield did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment.

WH Group acquired Smithfield in 2013 in a $4.7-billion deal, aimed at tapping the massive supplies of U.S. meat for export to China.

Virginia-based Smithfield is set to permanently close 35 hog farm sites in Missouri and lay off 92 employees in October, according to a Missouri Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act (WARN) notice in August.

The U.S. meat industry has struggled with declining profit and reduced demand from consumers squeezed by inflation and higher interest rates. Amid spiraling feed and labor costs, meat companies have struggled to predict demand for their products.

*I was trying to figure out if the above online local paper was a real one or if it was a scam troll site, hard to tell looks like it might have been sold in 2019, which is suspect imo, but it was once was, so hard to tell.
Sorry was just following the rabbit hole and putting stuff here. The whole Covid/Chinese/MAGA extremist linkage just sending my spider sense on alert. Also makes me wonder if they have some new American nazi internet out there trolling the weekly news site to find ways for their bosses handlers to troll us using their legislative power, and what they will come out with.
 

Fogdog

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Random rabbit-hole below:

I was curious about #9 in the above post about a pig slaughterhouse shutting down after being open from Covid and all their workers getting sick due to it and them staying open with no protective measures really being taken. I wanted to see if they were doing better/worse now since and was surprised to see something that looks like a troll in the making.



So I googled them to see what they are up to today, and noticed the second one that after reading was about a house bill it peaked my interest. They are saying that they are not a Chinese company, because they paid off the loan that was from them, but that just means that the money has been fully washed, not that they still can't be a vector of attack on our economy by the Chinese military.

https://www.smithfieldtimes.com/2024/03/14/smithfield-foods-denies-house-gop-letters-chinese-infiltration-claim/


The people trying to pass it is what jumped out at me:



They are saying it is because they got a huge loan and are a puppet company. They might be, but it might be worth Democrats being ready to not fall for the immediate push back on the radicalized MAGA congress doing this. I think can be a trap when it finally starts being pushed by bullshit propaganda trolls trying to trigger the responses they want.



It is like a propaganda pick your adventure edition. No chance that is used as a bullshit troll on Biden in some stupid October surprise to try to make it look like Biden is hurting our economy/Democrats helping Chinese companies trying to hurt 'real America' or some shit like that if they kill the bill somehow.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/chinese-owned-pork-producer-smithfield-prepares-us-listing-wsj-2023-10-19/
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*I was trying to figure out if the above online local paper was a real one or if it was a scam troll site, hard to tell looks like it might have been sold in 2019, which is suspect imo, but it was once was, so hard to tell.


Sorry was just following the rabbit hole and putting stuff here. The whole Covid/Chinese/MAGA extremist linkage just sending my spider sense on alert. Also makes me wonder if they have some new American nazi internet out there trolling the weekly news site to find ways for their bosses handlers to troll us using their legislative power, and what they will come out with.
:confused: I thought MAGA liked China now and Trump says it's OK to post on Tik Tok. Big donations buy access, so they say.

MAGA Congressmen. Whatever are they are up to? Maybe its a propaganda play and they are just grandstanding. It's also no secret that they aren't about DOING anything. For them the noise they make for the sake of gaining attention seems to be their main interest. Yes, it seems odd that they picked on a company that is a big buyer of pork in the US. Chinese-owned or not, Smithfield is part of the US AG economy. Why are they messing with US pork farmers? Did somebody in Virginia do something to get the Orange Man's goat?


We'll see. Thanks for peering down that rabbit hole and letting us know what you saw.
 

hanimmal

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4 years ago Trump was busy trying to neg away his inject with cleaners stupidity, meanwhile millions of Americans were waiting in food lines and our supply chain was falling apart.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/coronavirus-pandemic-shows-the-us-food-supply-chain-is-due-for-an-upgrade-experts-say-2020-04-17
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https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/long-lines-at-food-banks-across-us-idUSRTX7EHU2/
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I actually forgot about Trump's ineptness when it came to ventilators until reading his tweets from 4 years ago crowing about how many we 'had' finally after so many hospitals were running out of space for their patients. Shame that it was completely on brand for him that so many scams rose up out of his inability to plan and have people around him that were competent and doing the jobs America needed them to to instead of just being the trolls that Trump wanted them to be.

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hanimmal

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4 years ago today the nation learned of the name Ahmaud Aubry when the cell phone video of his murder by 2(3) racists, leaked.


Made me think about all the police killings that lead to the 2020 protests (that the current news is trying to make the college protests into) that Trump used as an excuse to escalate his hopes of a dictatorship here in America (when the Orange idiot held the Bible upside down when some group of people who I still have not seen pictures of supposedly burnt a church by the Whitehouse) by attacking peaceful protesters.

Looks like we still have a couple weeks until the world is forced to look at George Floyd's murder. I think at this point it was just nurses and doctors protesting the brainwashed anti-vaxxers stupidity after Trump called on his gun nutters to enter the state capitals for living dead-esque photo ops.

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hanimmal

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https://theweek.com/10things/913957/10-things-need-know-today-may-12-2020
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It is sometimes hard to remember how much shit he tweeted. Attacking the press, racism, conspiracy theories, and ego stroking are the norm, it is hard to out-crazy his Morning Joe murder allegations he spewed, but buried in his spew was a new one to me about his screwing of our economy with the help of his dictator pals.

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I really liked this post I found Trump's tweet about us about how bad he was about to screw us with high gas prices.

https://www.ccn.com/im-worried-trump-is-clueless-about-how-gas-prices-work/
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There is more on their website.
 

hanimmal

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4 years ago today:

Economy was collapsing,
https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-tx-state-wire-business-wy-state-wire-ap-top-news-c1c81cf36150f0586993e8bd15410b10
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NEW YORK (AP) — The coronavirus pandemic has pushed the storied but troubled department store chain J.C. Penney into Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It is the fourth major retailer to meet that fate.

As part of its reorganization, the 118-year-old company said late Friday it will be shuttering some stores. It said the stores will close in phases throughout the Chapter 11 process and details of the first phase will be disclosed in the coming weeks.

Penney is the biggest retailer to file for bankruptcy reorganization since the pandemic and joins luxury department store chain Neiman Marcus, J.Crew and Stage Stores. Plenty of other retailers are expected to follow as business shutdowns across the country have evaporated sales. In fact, U.S. retail sales tumbled by a record 16.4% from March to April.

“The coronavirus pandemic has created unprecedented challenges for our families, our loved ones, our communities, and our country,” said Penney’s CEO Jill Soltau in a statement. “As a result, the American retail industry has experienced a profoundly different new reality, requiring J.C. Penney to make difficult decisions in running our business to protect the safety of our associates and customers and the future of our company. “

Many experts are skeptical about Penney’s survival even as it sheds its debt and shrinks the number of its stores. Its fashion and home offerings haven’t stood out for years. And moreover, its middle-to-low income customers have been the hardest hit by massive layoffs during the pandemic. Many of them will likely shop more at discounters — if they shop at all, analysts say.

“This is a long, sad story,” said Ken Perkins, president of Retail Metrics, a retail research firm. “Penney offers no reason to shop there compared to its competitors, whether it’s Macy’s or T.J. Maxx or Walmart. How are they going to survive?”

Penney said that it has $500 million in cash on hand and has received commitments of $900 million in financing to help it operate during the restructuring. It said that it will be looking at different options, including the sale of the company. The restructuring should reduce several billion dollars of its debt and provide more flexibility to navigate the financial fallout from the pandemic, Penney said.

Like many department stores, Penney is struggling to remain relevant in an era when Americans are buying more online or from discounters. Sears has now been reduced to a couple hundred stores after being bought by hedge fund billionaire and its former chairman Eddie Lampert in bankruptcy in early 2019. Barneys New York closed its doors earlier this year and Bon-Ton Stores went out of business in 2018.

The pandemic has just put department stores further in peril as they see their sales evaporate with extended closures. Even as retailers like Penney start to reopen in states like Texas and Florida that have relaxed their lock downs, they’re also facing Herculean challenges in making shoppers feel comfortable to be in public spaces.

In fact, Green Street Advisors, a real estate research firm, predicted in a report last month that more than 50% of all mall-based department stores will close by the end of 2021. It expects that Penney will eventually liquidate its business, noting that a smaller company won’t solve its main problems.

Like Sears, J.C. Penney’s troubles were years in the making, marking a slow decline from its glory days during the 1960s through 1980s when it became a key shopping destination at malls for families.

The company’s roots began in 1902 when James Cash Penney started a dry good store in Kemmerer, Wyoming. The retailer had focused its stores in downtown areas but expanded into suburban shopping malls as they became more popular starting in the 1960s. With that expansion, Penney added appliances, hair salons and portrait studios.

But since the late 1990s, Penney struggled with weak sales and heavier competition from discounters and specialty chains that were squeezing its business from both ends. Penney’s began flirting with bankruptcy nearly a decade ago when a disastrous reinvention plan spearheaded by then CEO Ron Johnson caused sales to go into free fall.

Johnson drastically cut promotions and brought in hip brands that turned off loyal shoppers. As a result, sales dropped from $17. 3 billion during the fiscal year that ended in early 2012 to $13 billion a year later. Many longtime customers walked away and have not returned. Johnson was fired in April 2013 after just 17 months on the job.

Since then, Penney’s has undergone a series of management changes, each employing different strategies that failed to revive sales. The company based in Plano, Texas, has suffered five straight years of declining sales, which now hover around $11.2 billion. Its shares are trading at less than 20 cents, down from $1.26 a year ago, and from its all-time peak of $81 in 2006.

Soltau has acted swiftly since joining the company in October 2018. She jettisoned from stores major appliances that were weighing down operating profits. That reversed the strategy of her predecessor, Marvin Ellison, who brought appliances to the showroom floor after a 30-year absence in an attempt to capitalize on the troubles of ailing Sears.

Soltau turned the company’s focus back to women’s clothing and goods for the home like towels and bed sheets, which carry higher profit margins. Furniture is still available, but only online.

Still, sales and profits have remained weak. For the fiscal fourth quarter ended Feb. 1, sales at stores opened at least a year dropped 4.7 adjusted for the exit of appliances. Profits were down 64%.
Armed protests were springing up, as well as the social justice protests over Ahmed Aubry's murder.

Not just food lines, but testing lines as well.
https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/News/MarinesTV/videoid/752992/?dvpTag=86th+IBCT
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Meanwhile Trump's twitter temper tantrums and anti-business/American/fact based reality tweeting continued.

I lol'd at the I finally get Obamagate tweet.
https://www.wincalendar.com/Calendar/Date/May-16-2020#google_vignette
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hanimmal

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Hey 4 years ago today Cohen got released from Trump's corrupt use of our prison system to try to force Cohen into signing away his first amendment rights.

https://www.nytimes.com/issue/todaysheadlines/2020/07/24/todays-headlines
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https://theweek.com/10things/927278/10-things-need-know-today-july-24-2020
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1. U.S. hits 4 million confirmed cases of COVID-19
The coronavirus pandemic reached another grim milestone in the United States on Thursday, as the total number of confirmed cases surpassed four million. More than 144,000 people have died of COVID-19 in the U.S. A second surge in cases across the South and West prompted many states to halt or reverse the reopening of their economies. Public health experts said the spike could have been caused by the premature easing of lockdowns imposed in March. Confirmed case counts are trending upward in 39 states. The country has confirmed more than one million new cases in the last 15 days as the infection rate doubled in less than a month. The U.S. passed 2 million confirmed cases on June 10, and 3 million cases on July 7.

USA Today The Washington Post

2. Trump cancels Jacksonville convention events due to Florida virus surge
President Trump announced Thursday that he was canceling the Jacksonville part of his August nominating convention due to the rising number of coronavirus cases in Florida. "It's just not the right time," Trump said. The president vowed that he would still deliver a campaign speech "in a different form," without providing specifics on what the nominating event would be like. "We won't do a big crowded convention, per se," he said. The decision marked a sharp turnaround for Trump and the GOP, after they decided earlier in the summer to move Trump's acceptance speech from Charlotte because North Carolina's Democratic governor, Roy Cooper, said it was impossible to guarantee that it would be safe to hold a full, in-person convention with a packed arena. Florida's Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, said at the time that his state would welcome the convention.

3. Senate approves bill requiring Confederate-named bases to be renamed
The Senate on Thursday passed its $741 billion defense bill 86-14, which calls for removing Confederate names from Army bases. The bill has now been approved by both the Republican-led Senate and the Democrat-led House with majorities big enough to override President Trump's threatened veto. The legislation came after protests over police brutality and racism fueled calls to remove statues of Confederate leaders across the country, and remove the Confederate names and monuments from bases, including Fort Bragg and Fort Hood. Pentagon leaders have called for reviewing the names, but Trump has said his administration would not consider renaming bases, saying that would amount to rewriting history.

Politico

4. New jobless claims rise for 1st time since March
The Labor Department reported Thursday that 1.42 million Americans filed new applications for unemployment benefits last week, marking the first time that weekly jobless claims had increased since March. A week earlier, 1.3 million people filed new jobless claims. Last week's increase was larger than expected, suggesting that the hiring recovery was weakening as coronavirus cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surged and prompted states to slow or reverse the reopening of their economies. The number of new jobless claims had been gradually decreasing every week, although they remained twice as high as they were in the worst week of the Great Recession. Last week's increase came as the additional $600 a week in unemployment benefits that Congress passed is scheduled to expire at the end of the month, and Republicans in the Senate continue to discuss a possible extension.

CNBC Bloomberg

5. Mnuchin: Next coronavirus relief bill won't include payroll tax cut
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told CNBC on Thursday that the next coronavirus relief bill will not include the payroll tax cut President Trump has pushed. The Trump administration was pushing for the cut as recently as this week, but seemed to abandon the idea after Republicans vehemently opposed it in a lunch with administration officials. Senate Republican leaders scrapped a plan to roll out their $1 trillion proposal at the last minute on Thursday after failing to come up with an agreement due to fierce lingering divisions within the GOP over the details. House Democrats approved their $3 trillion package in May. It includes new stimulus checks to individuals, and aid to struggling cities and states.

CNBC The Washington Post

6. Judge orders Michael Cohen released from prison
A federal judge on Thursday ordered Michael Cohen, President Trump's former lawyer and fixer, to be released from prison and returned to his Manhattan apartment on Friday. Cohen had been furloughed due to the risk of coronavirus infection in prison, but he was taken back into federal custody after he refused to sign a document promising not to publish a book. Cohen sued, saying the Trump administration was trying to prevent him from completing his book, which he said would paint Trump as a racist. The judge, Alvin Hellerstein of the Federal District Court in Manhattan, said the Justice Department's decision to return Cohen to prison this month was "retaliatory," and meant to punish Cohen "because of his desire to exercise his First Amendment rights to publish a book."

The New York Times

7. German court convicts 93-year-old former Nazi guard
A German court on Thursday convicted a 93-year-old former Nazi concentration camp guard, identified as Bruno D., as an accessory to the murder of at least 5,232 people. He received a two-year suspended sentence, the court announced. The defendant was prosecuted in juvenile court because he was 17 years old when he served as an SS guard at the Stutthof concentration camp in 1944 and 1945. An estimated 65,000 people were murdered at the camp during the Holocaust. He had previously acknowledged that he had been a guard in the camp, which is near the Polish city now called Gdansk, but he told the court he had no choice. More than 40 co-plaintiffs from France, Israel, Poland, and the United States testified against him in the trial, which is expected to be one of the last prosecutions of a former Nazi.

CNN

8. China tells U.S. to close consulate in Chengdu
China said Friday it had ordered the United States to close its consulate in Chengdu following the Trump administration's decision to force Beijing to shut down its consulate in Houston. China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs said U.S. diplomats had been told to "stop all business and activities" in Chengdu in China's southwest. The foreign ministry said that Washington had "unilaterally provoked the incident" by forcing the Houston closure, saying the move "seriously violated international law and the basic norms of international relations." Hours before China's announcement, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a speech that the Trump administration's increasingly aggressive confrontation of China on trade, technology, and other matters was necessary "if we want to have a free 21st century."

CNN The New York Times

9. Hurricane Douglas strengthens heading toward Hawaii


10. Former Redskins to play upcoming season as 'Washington Football Team'


4 years ago yesterday:
https://theweek.com/speedreads/927091/new-jobless-claims-rise-1st-time-since-march
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The number of new weekly jobless claims in the United States appears to be headed in the wrong direction.


The Labor Department on Thursday said that 1.416 million Americans filed new jobless claims last week, CNBC reports. Not only was this higher than the 1.3 million claims economists had been expecting, but it was also the first time since March that the number of new claims has increased from the previous week, Bloomberg reports. A week prior, there were about 1.3 million new claims.


This rise comes as surges in COVID-19 cases has prompted states to pause or roll back their reopenings, and as The New York Times notes, it also comes days before the additional $600 a week in unemployment benefits that was a part of Congress' CARES Act is scheduled to expire. The number of new jobless claims had been gradually decreasing every week, although that number still consistently remained quite high and about double the worst week of the Great Recession.



 

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doublejj

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It has now been 15 years since the federal minimum wage rose to $7.25
In 20 states, mostly in the South and Midwest, the federal minimum wage is in effect, according to the Economic Policy Institute. The other 30 states and Washington, D.C. have minimum wages higher than the federal standard, according to EPI data.
Some workers may earn less than the federal minimum wage because there are exceptions built into the law. Businesses are only required to pay tipped employees $2.13 per hour in direct wages under federal law, though employers have to make up the difference if those wages plus tips don’t equal the federal minimum wage. Other carve-outs to the minimum wage requirement include some workers with disabilities, employees under age 20 and full-time students.
 

hanimmal

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Overall? No.
Inflation is up, and our money is worth less all the time.
Vehicles are crazy high, houses crazy high, groceries and goods are crazy high, Willie and Snoop crazy high.
If you were going to have something to complain about at the moment it would still be inflation, because there is not much else besides fear-mongering people coming here to work, but wages are up more than inflation which has dropped to more normal levels.
https://www.epi.org/blog/average-wages-have-surpassed-inflation-for-12-straight-months/
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Meanwhile 4 years ago the economy was melting and we were just figuring out how much Trump allowing scams to cost us was starting to surface.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/31/coronavirus-house-report-accuses-trump-administration-of-waste-fraud-or-abuse-in-us-ventilator-contract.html
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And those housing prices being high means those people living in those houses did not lose their life savings like a lot of people did during the previous Republican POTUS crashed our economy (Bush 2.0 allowing the banking industry to melt because the Republican donors like recessions so they can vacuum up all those fruits of the labor of distressed owners for pennies on the dollar).

I do agree though it would have been fantastic to not have had this inflation, for all the reasons it sucks, the alternative (what they did in 2008 ) would have been so much worse. Cutting child poverty in half was worth it for all those kids to have some 90s level interest rates.

It has now been 15 years since the federal minimum wage rose to $7.25
In 20 states, mostly in the South and Midwest, the federal minimum wage is in effect, according to the Economic Policy Institute. The other 30 states and Washington, D.C. have minimum wages higher than the federal standard, according to EPI data.
Some workers may earn less than the federal minimum wage because there are exceptions built into the law. Businesses are only required to pay tipped employees $2.13 per hour in direct wages under federal law, though employers have to make up the difference if those wages plus tips don’t equal the federal minimum wage. Other carve-outs to the minimum wage requirement include some workers with disabilities, employees under age 20 and full-time students.
That must have been one of the first things Obama did that is crazy to think about how long its been and how low that is.
 

Bad Karma

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Overall, yes, I am definitely doing better now than I was four years ago.
I landing a new job that pays double what I was earning at my previous employer.
Which allowed me to purchase a new (to me) car.
Even moved into a new apartment with more modern appliances and amazing insulation.
Good insulation may not sound too exciting, but if you live in 110 degree heat, trust me, it’s a game changer.

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hanimmal

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Overall, yes, I am definitely doing better now than I was four years ago.
I landing a new job that pays double what I was earning at my previous employer.
Which allowed me to purchase a new (to me) car.
Even moved into a new apartment with more modern appliances and amazing insulation.
Good insulation may not sound too exciting, but if you live in 110 degree heat, trust me, it’s a game changer.

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I'm glad to hear that man!

And those take me back to my childhood lol.
 
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