Perpetual SOG Experiment - Multi Genetics

Ganja.Queen

Ganja.Queen

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hey there :weed:

I’m feeling less paranoid than usual and decided to make a thread, documenting my way through an experiment.

After being inspired many moons ago by drbudgreengenes (icmag forums) I always wanted to do a perpetual SOG. It is time.

This Guava Fritter seedling was an unplanned pregnancy from bud I bought from a local dispensary. Will take a clone soon and put it in 12/12 as soon as rooted for sexing. It’s ~1 week old.

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Other genetics will make an appearance in the near future (Cheese and C99, coming soon). The goal is to have a few solid bonsai moms for the SOG clones. Flowering will take place in 16 oz and 1 liter bottles for comparison. There’s going to be lots of experimenting as it gets dialed in.

I’ve a few different tools to work with when it comes to lighting: 150w CFL (dual spectrum), 210w (actual) Samsung LED (dual), an old 400w MH / HPS cool tube + bulbs with low hours on them, and various house light LED bulbs.

Flower tent is 3 x 3. Clones and Mothers will be kept micro style 24 h in a small dresser converted for growing with the household LEDs. Clones will be flowered at different heights ranging from 1”-6”. It will be several grows before I get it right so if you feel like it, stick around, learn from my mistakes and maybe giggle a few times.

I owe a good bit of the SOG idea to dr bud. I’ll talk more about his methods throughout the grow as I’ve heavily researched everything he’s posted :hump:

You’ll also see me make fertilizers with a combination of Korean Natural Farming and JADAM. My soil will be recycled and I’m aiming to need to not buy anything but seeds.

Not interested in doing things the “right” or designer way, I mostly want to have fun and try some shit. ‍‍

If that sounds cool to you I hope to have you around and feel free to comment.
 
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Ganja.Queen

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Topped the Guava

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Took a clone and put it in a small cab under a 30w LED. It's super tiny so I really don't expect it to root. I'm more curious, than anything.

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Guava Fritter bounced back less than a week later

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Germinated 3 x UK Cheese fems and had them pop above soil (only 2 in this photo)

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Tent is all setup for flowering, just need some rooted clones to pop in there :weed:

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Patience (my weakness)

Now germinating Malawi by Ace Seeds and GG#4 by GG Strains.
 
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Ganja.Queen

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This is the original thread that inspired me over a decade ago by drbudgreenjeans on icmag - https://www.icmag.com/threads/compact-sog-with-cfls.64997/

If you enjoy going through all the intricate details of a grow and someone's methods, it's a great read.

Dr bud had a perpetual SOG where he was getting 7-21g (21 being the absolute max) a plant in only 16oz of soil and ~400w of CFL. He had his own cultivar but was able to replicate it across many different cultivars with sativas doing especially well.

He'd mostly run 12/12 as soon as his clones showed root to finish up just under the lights.

He has other threads on there that are also interesting.
 
Ganja.Queen

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Ganja.Queen said:
This is the original thread that inspired me over a decade ago by drbudgreenjeans on icmag - https://www.icmag.com/threads/compact-sog-with-cfls.64997/

If you enjoy going through all the intricate details of a grow and someone's methods, it's a great read.

Dr bud had a perpetual SOG where he was getting 7-21g (21 being the absolute max) a plant in only 16oz of soil and ~400w of CFL. He had his own cultivar but was able to replicate it across many different cultivars with sativas doing especially well.

He'd mostly run 12/12 as soon as his clones showed root to finish up just under the lights.

He has other threads on there that are also interesting.
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forgot to note, this is 7-21g DRY weight, per plant, in 16oz medium.
 
Ganja.Queen

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The 4 mamasitas this morning

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They get watered in this bucket with the flood and drain method Dr. Bud was using:
  • Place the plants in the bucket, slowly filling with water (and any nutes) until the water covers 1/4" above the soil line.
  • Once there aren't any more bubbles from gas releasing, lift the plant out (draining water into another bucket) and new air rushes into the soil.
Supposedly, this style of watering was key to the results especially when growing in such small pots to begin with.

It allows total saturation of the medium.
 
Ganja.Queen

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Thundercat said:
Nice start, I love SOG growing. I ran a perpetual SOG with ebb and flow for 10 years. I also enjoy experiments so it will be fun to see what you come up with.
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thank you Thundercat, that’s awesome! Feel free to chime in any time, I’m sure I could learn a lot from you.
 
Ganja.Queen

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Ever find yourself shopping for seeds you have no business buying right now? :lol:

Really want to hit up the landrace sativas like Panama, Bangi Haze, Congo, highland Thai then a few heirlooms like DJ Short’s Blueberry and Mr. Soul’s C99. Starting to formulate a plan where I could keep some bonsai moms and a couple strong males, then really start experimenting.

Once I get the nuances of nutes and the perpetual sog down, I’m moving in that direction.
 
Ganja.Queen

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The girls taking a bath

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The seedling stage is fun seeing the foundation being built, but I can't wait to see something in flower. Cheese is 1 week and Malawi is 3 days.
 
Ganja.Queen

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Gnat killer mix is working well. This time of year it’s almost impossible to keep them out of the house, especially because I always buy bananas and have house plants.

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  • 1/2 cup of water
  • 2 Tbsp apple cider vinegar
  • 2 Tbsp dish soap
  • Splash of soy sauce (supposedly they love the smell)
 
Ganja.Queen

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Discovered something that blew my mind today...you can produce stable feminized seeds from a hermie, no chemicals.

This is from Marijuana Botany - An Advanced Study: The Propagation and Breeding of Distinctive Cannabis by Robert Connell Clarke:

"The accidental release of some pollen from
predominantly pistillate hermaphrodites, along with
the complete eradication of nearly every staminate
and staminate hermaphrodite plant may have led to a
shift in sexual ratio in domestic populations of
sinsemilla drug Cannabis. It is commonly observed
that these strains tend toward 60% to 80% pistillate
plants and a few pistillate hermaphrodites are not
uncommon in these populations.

However, a cross can be made which will produce
nearly all pistillate or staminate individuals. If the
proper pistillate hermaphrodite plant is selected as the
pollen-parent and a pure pistillate plant is selected as
the seed-parent it is possible to produce an F1, and
subsequent generations, of nearly all pistillate
offspring. The proper pistillate hermaphrodite pollen-
parent is one which has grown as a pure pistillate
plant and at the end of the season, or under artificial
environmental stress, begins to develop a very few
staminate flowers. If pollen from these few staminate
flowers forming on a pistillate plant is applied to a
pure pistillate seed parent, the resulting F1 generation
should be almost all pistillate with only a few pistillate
hermaphrodites. This will also be the case if the
selected pistillate hermaphrodite pollen source is
selfed and bears its own seeds.

Remember that a
selfed hermaphrodite gives rise to more
hermaphrodites, but a selfed pistillate plant that has
given rise to a limited number of staminate flowers in
response to environmental stresses should give rise
to nearly all pistillate offspring. The F1 offspring may
have a slight tendency to produce a few staminate
flowers under further environmental stress and these
are used to produce F2 seed. A monoecious strain
produces 95+% plants with many pistillate and
staminate flowers, but a dioecious strain produces
95+% pure pistillate or staminate plants. A plant from
a dioecious strain with a few intersexual flowers is a
pistillate or staminate hermaphrodite. Therefore, the
difference between monoecism and hermaphrodism
is one of degree, determined by genetics and
environment."
 
amneziaHaze

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Same as with auto strains the gene needs to be transfered there is a chance to get it and a chance to not get it.from the genetic reaserch in the 70s from 1000 plants 1/4 would be non dominat gene rest would be dominant genes
 
Ganja.Queen

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amneziaHaze said:
Same as with auto strains the gene needs to be transfered there is a chance to get it and a chance to not get it.from the genetic reaserch in the 70s from 1000 plants 1/4 would be non dominat gene rest would be dominant genes
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i find all of that fascinating. looks like I have a lot more reading to do.
 
Thundercat

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Breeding with hermie plants is a subpar idea. It’s one of the reasons there are so many unstable herm-prone genetics out in the market. People get a dank hermie plant and then start making crosses. Sadly because of how genetics works some of the offspring will carry that gene and keep spreading it to their offspring.

it takes time and space to do proper breeding. You need to grow out enough seeds to get a good genetic picture and find a real keeper.
 
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