Seed Verses Clone

[JohnCee]

I have always grown from clone, but coming back from this last break my clone shop is no longer in business.

I cannot find any reputable breeders in my state, and I'm kind of running out of options.

It is either grab a clone from a random dispensary, or get a couple packs of seeds.

The thing is that I am use to growing quality genetics from clone, which means even the weed I grew poorly typically turned out okay.

I am afraid that growing from seed gives even more variance to potency and dominance (looking for ~80% sativa leaning).

With such a small space this time I would hate to suffer through many weeks of flowering sativa and have it not be potent enough or too hybrid.

Should I keep looking for clones or just order a couple packs of seeds?

Will take all recommendations for clone or seed shops/companies/breeders and sativa strains worth checking out!

Been considering the following strains, but definitely open to any sativa dominate suggestions:

• Cannalope Haze
• Super Jack Haze
• Silver Haze
• Sour Diesel
• Jack Herer
• Trainwreck

 

[go go kid]

i don't know how true it is, but theres a lot of diseases floating around from dispensery clones, i personaly, would go for a couple packs of seeds, germ a few, take clones off of them, and start a pheno hunt. you will get some great smoke, and have clones to keep them going if you get lucky.
jack herrer is a great choice if you like sea sawing, indica one moment that could send you to sleep (litteraly, it happened whilst i was driving home one night) fucking dangerous, never done it since.
to a mind bending sativa high. both are equaly strong and presant in the end product, there are three phenos of jack herrer, and only one is exceptional (a keeper).
not much help, but every little info helps. good luck and soz t hear about your clone situation. a good clone providor is rare from what ive been reading, but things change so fast, it could be a problem of the past

 

[JohnCee]

i don't know how true it is, but theres a lot of diseases floating around from dispensery clones, i personaly, would go for a couple packs of seeds, germ a few, take clones off of them, and start a pheno hunt. you will get some great smoke, and have clones to keep them going if you get lucky.
jack herrer is a great choice if you like sea sawing, indica one moment that could send you to sleep (litteraly, it happened whilst i was driving home one night) fucking dangerous, never done it since.
to a mind bending sativa high. both are equaly strong and presant in the end product, there are three phenos of jack herrer, and only one is exceptional (a keeper).
not much help, but every little info helps. good luck and soz t hear about your clone situation. a good clone providor is rare from what ive been reading, but things change so fast, it could be a problem of the past

I have been reading there is a lot of diseases going around with clones - back in the day you just had to worry about bringing home some bugs.

Unfortunately, I do not have the space or time to pheno hunt though.

Would looking at specific types of seeds narrow down the variance from seed-to-seed?

I have seen there are F1, F2, etc, and was hoping someone could chime in and explain that a bit.

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Let's say:

I order Cannalope Haze seeds.

Typically, most websites have it listed as 90-95% sativa, but then I read there are more indica leaning phenotypes of cannalope haze.

What are the odds that my seed turns out to be more along the lines of 60% sativa / 40% indica?

I've never really grown from seed before and it has me wondering how much that will differ per seed.

I know growing conditions will drastically change the potency, but let's just say I have the best growing conditions, how much variance can I expect from seed-to-seed in potency?

It just seems like growing from seed will give me some good smelling and tasting weed, but won't do shit for my wake-n-bake or getting high.

 

[MtRainDog]

I have been reading there is a lot of diseases going around with clones - back in the day you just had to worry about bringing home some bugs.

Unfortunately, I do not have the space or time to pheno hunt though.

Would looking at specific types of seeds narrow down the variance from seed-to-seed?

I have seen there are F1, F2, etc, and was hoping someone could chime in and explain that a bit.

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Let's say:

I order Cannalope Haze seeds.

Typically, most websites have it listed as 90-95% sativa, but then I read there are more indica leaning phenotypes of cannalope haze.

What are the odds that my seed turns out to be more along the lines of 60% sativa / 40% indica?

I've never really grown from seed before and it has me wondering how much that will differ per seed.

I know growing conditions will drastically change the potency, but let's just say I have the best growing conditions, how much variance can I expect from seed-to-seed in potency?

It just seems like growing from seed will give me some good smelling and tasting weed, but won't do shit for my wake-n-bake or getting high.

Those 60% indica / 40% sativa percentages are just nonsense mostly. Any seed bank marketing seeds that way is honestly trying to pull a fast one on customers that don't know any better.

Truth is, anything they claim is 90% sativa or more is 99% a lie. First, they don't have an original cut from original seed stock. You're getting something that's been hybridized and likely has little if any of the genetic line they're selling. Sure, there's some exceptions, but it's just standard practice for the bulk seed sellers.

F1 is a cross of two different strains.

If you take the F1 seeds, find a male and a female and breed them together, now you have the F2 generation.

Take the F2 seeds, find a male/female, put them together, now you have F3

etc etc

The higher F number you go, the more inbred the line, and theoretically, yes more stable traits. But that line work is only as good as the breeder doing the selections. So just because something is F3 doesn't mean its good or guarantees what you're looking for, and inbreeding comes with it's own problems like inbreeding depression/loss of vigor, potentially less disease resistant, etc.

 

[MtRainDog]

In terms of variance in what you'll get, that all depends on the specific cross and is more phenotype (genetic makeup) than genotype (genetic potential affected by environment).

Every cross will have a range of phenotypes. In a good F1, you should get a relatively low number of basic phenotypes (there will always be some outliers). Probably like 3-5 general phenotypes would be a decent F1 variation

 

[MtRainDog]

Some sativa suggestions. You can also reach out to AK Bean Brains directly via email (I forget it, but I'm sure someone on here can post it) He'll give you a long list and he's got all kinds of cool stuff and basically doubles your order with freebies.

Here's some quick sativa finds on jbc

Dynasty – Pineapple Fields (Kali Snapple x Ms. Universe) | JBC Seeds

www.jbcseeds.com

Relic – Super Silver Haze ’98 HTCC Winner BX1 | JBC Seeds

www.jbcseeds.com

High Lonesome – AM Haze (A5 x Mango Haze) | JBC Seeds

www.jbcseeds.com