Nitrogen def. in 12/12

[GraF]

fuck!!!!!!! i added nitrogen during the last 4 weeks of flowering. my buds have new stretchy growth popping out the tops of my colas. looks like shit!! i'll get pictures tonight when my light comes on. oh, and MY LEAVES ARE STILL YELLOW!!!!!!

onece again- I said this is more directed for someone with a deficiency at like week 4 or 5 - with the WHOLE PLANT being yellow.... Im pretty sure you dont need me to point it out but yours look fine!!!!! maybe a little yellowing.

Mine on the other hand looked 3x worse.. understand yet??

can I ask you this again and maybe get an answer this time?

If you were at week 5 and your whole plants leaves were yellow, would you fix it??? yes or no??? lets hear it FDD2BLK!!!!!

 

[fdd2blk]

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uh oh- my bud has more bud on it now, eww its ugly... WTF?!

fuck it!!! my plant is dying,,,,, oh well- dont fix the problem- its gonna die anyways- right??


My point to this whole ordeal is that I had a better outcome fixing the problem. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU ALL??

or should you just hang me for fixing a problem???

yes it is ugly. big ole uglies sticking out of it. i wouldn't want weed like that if i was paying for it. i will just end up cutting those stretchers off.
the plant is using stored nitrogen because IT KNOWS it is finishing. maybe something tells it not to take up nitrogen in the roots but to feed off itself. that would explain the burning. i don't think them using the stored energy in the fan leaves is causing any less in yield.

i had a worse outcome trying to fix the problem. that is all i am saying. let the reader decide his course of action. we have presented both sides. there is no right or wrong. it is up to the individual.

 

[GraF]

I appreciate tht FDD- thank you.

that was a good answer, I actually tried answering one time in this thread in a mutual way but it still worked against me, oh well. people have their different views.

thanks again- that was the best answer anyone could have given in this thread- let the grower decide.

GraF- Im outta this one- PEACE!

 

[Wavels]

WOW this has developed into a very contentious thread....

IMO, some strains NEED more N than others.
If a plant shows good bud set and development, and is five or six weeks into flowering, I will generally leave it alone (depending on the anticipated time necessary to finish the buds properly)
IF, on the other hand you have a long flowering strain and it starts to yellow up too early (a month or so before expected harvest) I would go ahead and try and fix the observed deficiency!

Fdd I have had some plants develop the same type of ugly runners you describe with or without using higher N ferts.....interesting?
Maybe something else is going on?

 

[fdd2blk]

WOW this has developed into a very contentious thread....

IMO, some strains NEED more N than others.
If a plant shows good bud set and development, and is five or six weeks into flowering, I will generally leave it alone (depending on the anticipated time necessary to finish the buds properly)
IF, on the other hand you have a long flowering strain and it starts to yellow up too early (a month or so before expected harvest) I would go ahead and try and fix the observed deficiency!

Fdd I have had some plants develop the same type of ugly runners you describe with or without using higher N ferts.....interesting?
Maybe something else is going on?

just to clarify. i use guanos. surface feed. i feed veg guano throughout flowering. backing off towards the end when buds start to show first signs of stretching. not to disagree with you, i agree fully. but this problem showed up immediately after feeding a dose of bonticare veg nutes on top of the guano. i only fed 2 plants and it appeared on the both of them and none of the others. my yellowing leaves do appear to be strain related to an extent. i'm growing large plants in small pots so i have NO buffer zone. just so many variables that so far have not been mentioned by me. it would take a whole thread......

 

[want_my_ink]

Great info, thanks for sharing..

 

[Pseudonym]

Yes, thank you fdd and Wavels. It is up to the grower, and the need for N varies based on strain.

My point to this whole ordeal is that I had a better outcome fixing the problem. IS THAT OKAY WITH YOU ALL??

or should you just hang me for fixing a problem???

No one got mad at you for stating your opinion or giving advice based on your experience. You started this whole bullshit by accusing me of misleading the original poster. You told him to fix the problem. And you're right. I told him to fix the problem unless he was about to harvest. And I'm right. Whatever you may claim, there was no misleading on anyone's part.

Can we finally end this ridiculous shit?

 

[GraF]

""""No one got mad at you for stating your opinion or giving advice based on your experience. You started this whole bullshit by accusing me of misleading the original poster. You told him to fix the problem. And you're right. I told him to fix the problem unless he was about to harvest. And I'm right. Whatever you may claim, there was no misleading on anyone's part.

Can we finally end this ridiculous shit?[/quote]""""




I didnt accuse you of misleading- I said that leaving a -N- def. go could be a little misleading, since it could happen at the beginning of flowering and then by week 4 you may have an entirely yellow plant- thats what Im saying you need to fix. thats all.

FDD- I wish you would have let everyone know earlier that your yellow leaves are strain related- instead of Trying to make me look like I have no idea of what Im talking about. plus, your plants have like... what? 10 yellow leaves??? thats not SHIT compared to what I had- the whole plant.

If I had 10 yellowing leaves- I wouldnt fix it either- especially if it was a trait of the STRAIN!!! hello.

GraF

 

[fdd2blk]

""""No one got mad at you for stating your opinion or giving advice based on your experience. You started this whole bullshit by accusing me of misleading the original poster. You told him to fix the problem. And you're right. I told him to fix the problem unless he was about to harvest. And I'm right. Whatever you may claim, there was no misleading on anyone's part.

Can we finally end this ridiculous shit?

""""




I didnt accuse you of misleading- I said that leaving a -N- def. go could be a little misleading, since it could happen at the beginning of flowering and then by week 4 you may have an entirely yellow plant- thats what Im saying you need to fix. thats all.

FDD- I wish you would have let everyone know earlier that your yellow leaves are strain related- instead of Trying to make me look like I have no idea of what Im talking about. plus, your plants have like... what? 10 yellow leaves??? thats not SHIT compared to what I had- the whole plant.

If I had 10 yellowing leaves- I wouldnt fix it either- especially if it was a trait of the STRAIN!!! hello.

GraF[/quote]





i said....... it MAY BE strain related. it could be that they are to close to the light. it could be because i cut off nitrogen at week 3 of flowering. it could be numerous "variables". as far as only 10 yellow leaves THE REST FELL OFF!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[abudsmoker]

have you guys tried SWEET or CAL MAG both of these help to stop the yellowing and MG loss lockup Sweet is epsum salts and pure cane sugar

 

[GraF]

whew- never got to see you so rustled up there FDD- sorry man, sorry.

well, I know that I will be adding some grow nutes if I have a Nitrogen def. in week 5. thats all there is to it.

FDD- you are definately one of the more knowledgeable people here so I dont think that you are going to encounter a major issue- such as lockout- the reason I say that is because Im sure that some here are not as smart as you and might NEED to add some grow nutes if they want their plants to finnish in the best possible way, but anyways..... to each his own, thats it.

GraF

 

[fdd2blk]

yeah, i'm a fucking genius...........

oh, and i'm not rustled up at all. i only said it more than once. i figured if i yelled it to you......my leaves all fell off. but keep telling me there are only 10. the other 40 are in the compost bucket.

 

[GraF]

like I said buddy.... sorry..... just.........sorry.

 

[fdd2blk]

like I said buddy.... sorry..... just.........sorry.

i love you.

 

[laserbrn]

I have to say, I had this start happening to my last grow and I added Guano per someones suggestion on here and it saved my plants. All of the fan leaves were yellow, but they stopped getting necrotic and falling off. I managed to save about 50% of them by adding N. I don't doubt for a second I would have lost every fan leaf just like yours if I had waited too long.

Sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's not. If I don't have to do it this time, I won't. If they start to yellow after 3 or 4 weeks of flowering, I certainly will add some N to get them back on track.

 

[GraF]

FDD- I love you too man, but Im still sorry.

laserbrn- thats what I like to hear

 

[fdd2blk]

here's my story:

20 years outdoors. got it down. to an extent anyway. just starting flower under a 600w HPS last winter. i am running a constant flower room. i harvest 5 plants every couple weeks then replace them with 5 more. some are on week 1 some are on WEEK ELEVEN!!!!!! i try to hand feed guano and water with molasses. some getting nitrogen guano some getting phosphate guano. do you remember who got what when? i don't, i'm lit. i'm using 6" pots so i have no buffer zone. outdoors i can dump 2 gallons of nitrogen on a plant and not worry. inside an extra 1/2 cup dose will lock me out. i know, i've done it. i'm a noob indoors. i'm finishing out all my currently flowering plants and changing to a normal cycle. i will use my veg room for 3 moms. then veg cuttings (after rooting) under the HPS. then flower under the HPS. it's just to much work for this stoner. so in a nut shell, that is where i am at.

 

[laserbrn]

If we could just get you off the soil and show you the hydro light you would seriously find it MUCH easier to control ferts and ph and everything else. FDD, you should be able to get this dialed in with soil, but for me, please try a small hydro grow. It'll blow your fuckin' mind how easy it is. I don't look at my plants for 3 days at a time and they look great. Sometimes a little close to the light because they grow so goddamn fast, but otherwise they always blow me away.

I did soil last time and when I ran into problems I found it really hard to diagnose. With hydro I know exactly what's going in and what's going on.

 

[fdd2blk]

If we could just get you off the soil and show you the hydro light you would seriously find it MUCH easier to control ferts and ph and everything else. FDD, you should be able to get this dialed in with soil, but for me, please try a small hydro grow. It'll blow your fuckin' mind how easy it is. I don't look at my plants for 3 days at a time and they look great. Sometimes a little close to the light because they grow so goddamn fast, but otherwise they always blow me away.

I did soil last time and when I ran into problems I found it really hard to diagnose. With hydro I know exactly what's going in and what's going on.

my buddy has a 4 x 8 flood table. i envy him.

i'm gonna clear out what i have. by that time my outdoor will be done. i'll keep the mothers going but shut down the HPS. i need to pull everything out and clean. i have to seal the floor and come up with a new game plan. i've always grown in soil. it's time i try something new.

 

[laserbrn]

I wish I had the space for a 4x8. I'm growing in a tiny space (closet) with two leach trays and 14 gallon res. I make it happen though.