The American Constitution is toilet paper

ttystikk

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As bad as you think the state of American justice is, as much as you think America's Federal Government ignores the rights of citizens, it's even worse than you think.

America has become the fully fledged Fascist Authoritarian State we have been warned about since the Constitution was written.

America is now clearly, obviously, incontrovertibly no longer just, moral or operating under the rule of law. Both major parties have colluded in this state of affairs.

We are ruled by monsters.
 

hanimmal

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Is it expensive toilet paper, or the old brown stuff that used to be in park toilets?

Assange is the jackass that helped smuggle Snowden and the data files out of America and into Putin's hands that are being used to great affect to divide us using our online data. He is not a journalist, he is a dickhead blogger pushing a Russian op.
 

hanimmal

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Nah kid smuggling the equivalent to the new millenniums nuclear bomb designs out of America, don't go to some dictator somewhere relatively not scary to America, come bring it to Putin who is looking for something to attack the worlds democracies with!


https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/29/julian-assange-told-edward-snowdon-not-seek-asylum-in-latin-america
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Julian Assange has said he advised the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden against seeking asylum in Latin America because he could have been kidnapped and possibly killed there.

The WikiLeaks editor-in-chief said he told Snowden to ignore concerns about the “negative PR consequences” of sheltering in Russia because it was one of the few places in the world where the CIA’s influence did not reach.



In a wide-ranging interview with the Times, Assange also said he feared he would be assassinated if he was ever able to leave the Ecuadorian embassy in London, where he sought asylum in 2012 to avoid extradition.

He accused US officials of breaking the law in their pursuit of him and his whistleblowing organisation, and in subjecting his connections to a campaign of harassment.

WikiLeaks was intimately involved in the operation to help Snowden evade the US authorities in 2013 after he leaked his cache of intelligence documents to Glenn Greenwald, then a journalist with the Guardian.

Assange sent one of his most senior staff members, Sarah Harrison, to be at Snowden’s side in Hong Kong, and helped to engineer his escape to Russia – despite his discomfort with the idea of fleeing to one of the US’s most powerful enemies.

“Snowden was well aware of the spin that would be put on it if he took asylum in Russia,” Assange told the Times.

“He preferred Latin America, but my advice was that he should take asylum in Russia despite the negative PR consequences, because my assessment is that he had a significant risk he could be kidnapped from Latin America on CIA orders. Kidnapped or possibly killed.”

However, Assange’s story appears to be at odds with reports from the time, which detail a plan hatched to whisk Snowden from Russia, where he was stuck in the transit area of Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport after his US passport was revoked, and into political asylum in Ecuador.

In a statement issued as the drama unfolded, WikiLeaks said of Snowden: “He is bound for the republic of Ecuador via a safe route for the purposes of asylum, and is being escorted by diplomats and legal advisers from WikiLeaks.”

But the plan unravelled after Ecuador’s president, Rafael Correa, declared invalid a temporary travel document issued by his London consul – in collaboration with Assange – after other Ecuadorean diplomats said in leaked correspondence that the Wikileaks founder could be perceived as “running the show”.

Correa went on to criticise the consul, Fidel Narvaez, telling the Associated Press that to have issued the document – which was thought to have been used by Snowden to travel from Hong Kong to Moscow – without consulting Quito was a serious error.In his Times interview, Assange also outlined his own fears of being targeted. He said that even venturing out on to the balcony of Ecuador’s embassy in Knightsbridge posed security risks in the light of bomb and assassination threats by what he called “unstable people”.

He said he thought it was unlikely he would be shot, but that he worried that if he was freed he could be kidnapped by the CIA.

“I’m a white guy,” Assange said. “Unless I convert to Islam it’s not that likely that I’ll be droned, but we have seen things creeping towards that.”

Ecuador granted the Australian political asylum in 2012 under the 1951 refugee convention.

He believed he risked extradition to the US from the UK and Sweden, where he is under investigation for his involvement with WikiLeaks. He also faces extradition to Sweden for an investigation into an alleged rape.

He has remained in the embassy for nearly three years, with a round-the-clock police guard thought to have cost more than £11m. Assange believes his situation will be resolved in the next two years.
 

ttystikk

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Is it expensive toilet paper, or the old brown stuff that used to be in park toilets?

Assange is the jackass that helped smuggle Snowden and the data files out of America and into Putin's hands that are being used to great affect to divide us using our online data. He is not a journalist, he is a dickhead blogger pushing a Russian op.
WikiLeaks spread the information to the whole world. That's called journalism.
 

hanimmal

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WikiLeaks spread the information to the whole world. That's called journalism.
Nah it is a website funded by Putin (or better yet the hard work of all the citizens of the nation Putin is dictator of) that was used to push lies and bullshit narratives into the world.

Shit by these standards the local oil shop should be able to claim 'journalism' if the cops show up when they run a chop shop after hours.

But I get it. A whole lot of money went into selling the narrative to amplify the messaging that Assange/Snowden were not actively helping the attack on our nation. It is not unbelievable that people would actually think he was somehow a (lol) hero.
 

k0rps

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Agreed.. When the USA has an unregistered foreign entity/lobbying group funding & influencing a majority of candidates (spending millions to win) to represent pro Israel Occupation values, Americans basically become second class citizens.

AIPAC Targets Progressive Lawmakers with Record Spending
AIPAC’s top donors are linked to elite universities and cultural institutions.

There has been growing criticism of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the powerful pro-Israel lobbying operation that is spending record amounts to unseat elected officials who criticize the Israeli government’s war against Palestinians and who are also some of the strongest congressional advocates for workers’ rights and racial and climate justice.

AIPAC’s political efforts operate through different PACs and Super PACs, such as AIPAC PAC, Democratic Majority for Israel (DMFI) PAC, and the United Democracy Project (UDP) super PAC. According to the investigative news outlet Sludge, AIPAC has spent more than more than $100 million on federal elections during the current cycle, which makes it the fifth-highest PAC spender in the cycle.

AIPAC spent “record-shattering” amounts in Democratic primaries this year to defeat two Black progressive congressmembers, Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) and Cori Bush (D-MO). According to Sludge, AIPAC spent nearly $12 million to defeat Bush and over $17 million to defeat Bowman. In 2022, AIPAC also spent around $4 million to defeat progressive Jewish congress member Andy Levin (D-MI).

AIPAC’s electoral interventions have a chilling effect on U.S. politics, making it much riskier for elected representatives to criticize U.S. support for Israel, even though a clear majority of Americans oppose Israel’s siege on Gaza, where evidence of war crimes abound, and say the U.S. should not send weapons and supplies to Israel.

But one thing should be clear: AIPAC is only able to have this outsized impact on U.S. politics because of its donor base of wealthy contributors who give AIPAC the millions upon millions of dollars that it deploys to influence politics.

2024 AIPAC-Endorsed Primary Winners
So far this cycle, an AIPAC-endorsed candidate has won in every district (322 races) where an endorsee was on the ballot.

All 129 AIPAC-backed Democrats who have had their primary races in 2024 have won. These Democrats are strong pro-Israel voices who are also leaders in the Black, Hispanic, Asian American Pacific Islander, and Progressive Caucuses. This includes 105 Congressional Equality Caucus members, 41 Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus members, 21 Congressional Hispanic Caucus members, 34 Progressive Caucus members and 26 Congressional Black Caucus members.

193 AIPAC-backed Republicans have won their elections.

Being pro-Israel is good policy and good politics.
Full list of candidates below.
 

hanimmal

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Agreed.. When the USA has an unregistered foreign entity/lobbying group funding & influencing a majority of candidates (spending millions to win) to represent pro Israel Occupation values, Americans basically become second class citizens.

AIPAC Targets Progressive Lawmakers with Record Spending
AIPAC’s top donors are linked to elite universities and cultural institutions.

There has been growing criticism of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the powerful pro-Israel lobbying operation that is spending record amounts to unseat elected officials who criticize the Israeli government’s war against Palestinians and who are also some of the strongest congressional advocates for workers’ rights and racial and climate justice.

AIPAC’s political efforts operate through different PACs and Super PACs, such as AIPAC PAC, Democratic Majority for Israel (DMFI) PAC, and the United Democracy Project (UDP) super PAC. According to the investigative news outlet Sludge, AIPAC has spent more than more than $100 million on federal elections during the current cycle, which makes it the fifth-highest PAC spender in the cycle.

AIPAC spent “record-shattering” amounts in Democratic primaries this year to defeat two Black progressive congressmembers, Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) and Cori Bush (D-MO). According to Sludge, AIPAC spent nearly $12 million to defeat Bush and over $17 million to defeat Bowman. In 2022, AIPAC also spent around $4 million to defeat progressive Jewish congress member Andy Levin (D-MI).

AIPAC’s electoral interventions have a chilling effect on U.S. politics, making it much riskier for elected representatives to criticize U.S. support for Israel, even though a clear majority of Americans oppose Israel’s siege on Gaza, where evidence of war crimes abound, and say the U.S. should not send weapons and supplies to Israel.

But one thing should be clear: AIPAC is only able to have this outsized impact on U.S. politics because of its donor base of wealthy contributors who give AIPAC the millions upon millions of dollars that it deploys to influence politics.


Full list of candidates below.
I think them having to register as a foreign entity may make sense without actually knowing anything about the people running it (assuming they are not just all Americans using the same bullshit scam that Putin and MBS' puppets do here in the states, which even then I would think it is a good idea).

As for who they endorse, not backing losers is generally a good idea. Having a kick ass percentage of that is not something that matters. Nor does their being non-partisan IMO. It just makes good fiscal sense too.

I know here in Michigan there was a lot of crying by one of the dudes whose district was changed when we lost a delagate here, and AIPAC backed my old rep Haley Stevens. Who was/is doing an awesome job. He tried to turn it into somehow being that she was anything but an awesome candidate and it was all (im being dramatic, I don't remember exactly what he said, or if it was just him and not GQP-esque commercials trying to sell it like it was him saying it) AIPAC fault and how they were doing it because he was vocal about supporting the Palestinians.

When she was just a far, far, better candidate.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Agreed.. When the USA has an unregistered foreign entity/lobbying group funding & influencing a majority of candidates (spending millions to win) to represent pro Israel Occupation values, Americans basically become second class citizens.

AIPAC Targets Progressive Lawmakers with Record Spending
AIPAC’s top donors are linked to elite universities and cultural institutions.

There has been growing criticism of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the powerful pro-Israel lobbying operation that is spending record amounts to unseat elected officials who criticize the Israeli government’s war against Palestinians and who are also some of the strongest congressional advocates for workers’ rights and racial and climate justice.

AIPAC’s political efforts operate through different PACs and Super PACs, such as AIPAC PAC, Democratic Majority for Israel (DMFI) PAC, and the United Democracy Project (UDP) super PAC. According to the investigative news outlet Sludge, AIPAC has spent more than more than $100 million on federal elections during the current cycle, which makes it the fifth-highest PAC spender in the cycle.

AIPAC spent “record-shattering” amounts in Democratic primaries this year to defeat two Black progressive congressmembers, Jamaal Bowman (D-NY) and Cori Bush (D-MO). According to Sludge, AIPAC spent nearly $12 million to defeat Bush and over $17 million to defeat Bowman. In 2022, AIPAC also spent around $4 million to defeat progressive Jewish congress member Andy Levin (D-MI).

AIPAC’s electoral interventions have a chilling effect on U.S. politics, making it much riskier for elected representatives to criticize U.S. support for Israel, even though a clear majority of Americans oppose Israel’s siege on Gaza, where evidence of war crimes abound, and say the U.S. should not send weapons and supplies to Israel.

But one thing should be clear: AIPAC is only able to have this outsized impact on U.S. politics because of its donor base of wealthy contributors who give AIPAC the millions upon millions of dollars that it deploys to influence politics.


Full list of candidates below.
The enemies of the People, both foreign and domestic.
 

ttystikk

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I think them having to register as a foreign entity may make sense without actually knowing anything about the people running it (assuming they are not just all Americans using the same bullshit scam that Putin and MBS' puppets do here in the states, which even then I would think it is a good idea).

As for who they endorse, not backing losers is generally a good idea. Having a kick ass percentage of that is not something that matters. Nor does their being non-partisan IMO. It just makes good fiscal sense too.

I know here in Michigan there was a lot of crying by one of the dudes whose district was changed when we lost a delagate here, and AIPAC backed my old rep Haley Stevens. Who was/is doing an awesome job. He tried to turn it into somehow being that she was anything but an awesome candidate and it was all (im being dramatic, I don't remember exactly what he said, or if it was just him and not GQP-esque commercials trying to sell it like it was him saying it) AIPAC fault and how they were doing it because he was vocal about supporting the Palestinians.

When she was just a far, far, better candidate.
I understand that Muslim voters of Middle Eastern background are having a big impact on how the voting is going in Michigan? I don't know the details, do you have any insights?
 

injinji

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Hey, growther! Long time no see!

All is well here, I'm enjoying a very comfortable fall. Shit is seriously hitting the fan in your neck of the woods though, isn't it?
I'm doing alright. Tonight when I went walking was the first time I thought long pants would have been nice. It's in the mid 60's with low 50's coming later in the week.

We've dodged all the storms. Franny's winds did damage some pepper and tomato plants. Helene's rains caused the river to flood, but not as high as first predicted. I got some shit moved out from under the riverhouse that I had been needing to do for a while. This one coming to the Tampa area is going to impact lots of cousins. Three or four (according to how you count them) of the ones who have moved up here still have their houses down there too.
 

ttystikk

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I'm doing alright. Tonight when I went walking was the first time I thought long pants would have been nice. It's in the mid 60's with low 50's coming later in the week.

We've dodged all the storms. Franny's winds did damage some pepper and tomato plants. Helene's rains caused the river to flood, but not as high as first predicted. I got some shit moved out from under the riverhouse that I had been needing to do for a while. This one coming to the Tampa area is going to impact lots of cousins. Three or four (according to how you count them) of the ones who have moved up here still have their houses down there too.
Milton has gone batshit crazy over the last 24 hours and even with wind shear and eyewall recycling it's going to be a horrendous storm when it makes land. I just checked the sea surface temperature maps and the whole Gulf of Mexico is one big tub of bathwater; way too much energy available for storm development. And the fully retrograde direction of the storm is basically unprecedented. It's a new world of weather all of a sudden.

I lived in Deerfield Beach for the summer of 2004. Three of the 4 hurricanes that year were close enough for a glancing blow, one came within just a few miles of hurricane force winds at my apartment. What's coming to Tampa is so much worse it's hard to compare; I'd be getting the hell out of the way, no second thoughts.

I've been dreading winter for no really good reason. Suddenly, I feel the urge to count my blessings. If anyone needs a place to be for awhile, keep me in mind.
 

hanimmal

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I understand that Muslim voters of Middle Eastern background are having a big impact on how the voting is going in Michigan? I don't know the details, do you have any insights?
Funny as it may sound, I try like hell to not talk to anyone about politics in real life if it can be helped, and when it inevitably does come up (it is funny to know what's going on when people start to probe into just what they can get away with talking about knowing where it is heading), I just try to warn them about how anything we do online is trying to divide us in a way that I hope makes sense, and the conversation usually moves on.

There is a Islamic school around the corner and as far as I can tell nobody is putting anything out there to say one way or the other about anything political. I wish I knew more, but it is really hard to tell. I do need to take a trip down river, so I may just have to take a slight detour and drive through east Dearborn to see if there is anything obvious.

The Lebanese community here did show up after Netanyahu escalated the violence that made the local news a couple weeks back.


I do think if it was still Biden he would have lost tens of thousands of votes in Michigan with the shit Netanyahu is pulling. I am not sure how it will impact Harris. But I also don't know how many folks in our communities would not have voted for her since she is a female that overlaps with the trends Trump had in picking up steam in them post-2014 attack would account in those numbers either.


The thing that makes it so hard to tell here is also when I drive around doing regular stuff I only see 3 houses total with (non-local, local I do see a bit more but still not nearly as many as in the past) presidential political signs (2 Trump- 1 Harris). Asked my wife who travels a different direction and she only sees 2 (1 Trump (big one in a farmers field off a major road towards Ann Arbor), 1 Harris). I did hear something about people not knowing where to get Trump stuff, so not sure if that helps Trump (not knowing which neighbors are his supporters means they wont have anyone knocking on their doors trying to change their minds either) or hurts him (showing less crowd support may lesson the feeling of community voting for him hurting his election was stolen narrative hopes).

The local political ads are mostly about Slotkin's race, a couple local judges, with some "I am Harris/eats babies" here and there.

It is going to be a interesting election.

How about where you are at, you notice anything?
 

ttystikk

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Funny as it may sound, I try like hell to not talk to anyone about politics in real life if it can be helped, and when it inevitably does come up (it is funny to know what's going on when people start to probe into just what they can get away with talking about knowing where it is heading), I just try to warn them about how anything we do online is trying to divide us in a way that I hope makes sense, and the conversation usually moves on.

There is a Islamic school around the corner and as far as I can tell nobody is putting anything out there to say one way or the other about anything political. I wish I knew more, but it is really hard to tell. I do need to take a trip down river, so I may just have to take a slight detour and drive through east Dearborn to see if there is anything obvious.

The Lebanese community here did show up after Netanyahu escalated the violence that made the local news a couple weeks back.


I do think if it was still Biden he would have lost tens of thousands of votes in Michigan with the shit Netanyahu is pulling. I am not sure how it will impact Harris. But I also don't know how many folks in our communities would not have voted for her since she is a female that overlaps with the trends Trump had in picking up steam in them post-2014 attack would account in those numbers either.


The thing that makes it so hard to tell here is also when I drive around doing regular stuff I only see 3 houses total with (non-local, local I do see a bit more but still not nearly as many as in the past) presidential political signs (2 Trump- 1 Harris). Asked my wife who travels a different direction and she only sees 2 (1 Trump (big one in a farmers field off a major road towards Ann Arbor), 1 Harris). I did hear something about people not knowing where to get Trump stuff, so not sure if that helps Trump (not knowing which neighbors are his supporters means they wont have anyone knocking on their doors trying to change their minds either) or hurts him (showing less crowd support may lesson the feeling of community voting for him hurting his election was stolen narrative hopes).

The local political ads are mostly about Slotkin's race, a couple local judges, with some "I am Harris/eats babies" here and there.

It is going to be a interesting election.

How about where you are at, you notice anything?
Colorado is overall very Blue but the split is deep; the Front Range from Douglas County up the I-25 corridor (mostly west of it as you go north from Northglenn) to the Wyoming border.

The rest of the state is deeply, resentfully, angrily Red, including CO-4 that was heavily redrawn in 2023. That's where Lauren Boebert carpetbagged her way to and unfortunately she's looking like the easy winner there. It's the deepest Red district in the state so it shouldn't be a surprise but Trisha Calvarese, the Democrat running against her, is a dramatically more knowledgeable and representative candidate for the area and its heavily agricultural industrial base. It is a hallmark of American politics that people will vote for their team rather than the better candidate and that's what's happening.

There's another district that's very close in the Denver metro area but I'm not well versed on the candidates or the issues. I predict Colorado will end up with 3 Republicans and 5 Democrats but that's just a guess based on how things went last time. Both Senators are Democrats.

My area in northern Colorado went very heavily for Bernie Sanders in 2016 and again in 2020 and is showing a suspicious lack of enthusiasm for the Harris campaign. If everyone turns out, Colorado is safely Blue. If not, it's a tossup. Therefore, turnout is key.
 

k0rps

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I think them having to register as a foreign entity may make sense without actually knowing anything about the people running it (assuming they are not just all Americans using the same bullshit scam that Putin and MBS' puppets do here in the states, which even then I would think it is a good idea).
As Americans head towards another election cycle—presidential as well as congressional—the question of the nature of American democracy once again comes to the fore. How democratic is American democracy and whether it is participatory or representative?

Notwithstanding its self-proclaimed greatness and being a light on the hill, it is essentially an oligarchy. As Greg Palast famously said, America has the best democracy money can buy. It is held hostage by lobby groups of which the America Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) is the most notorious.

While acting as a lobby group for Israel, it is not registered with the Foreign Registry Office as a foreign agent. It operates outside the purview of the law. Robert Kennedy as US Attorney General in the 1960s, had demanded AIPAC’s registration as a “foreign agent”. He was assassinated in June 1968.

In May 1963, President John F Kennedy had sent a letter to Israel warning it against acquiring nuclear weapons. He was assassinated soon thereafter. There is a large body of opinion in the US that holds that Kennedy was assassinated by Mossad agents for his opposition to Israel’s acquisition of nuclear weapons.

Israel’s toxic influence has only grown since the 1960s. AIPAC has a stranglehold on US politics and politicians. Barring a few exceptions, almost every member of Congress has an AIPAC minder. The minders’ job is to shape congress members’ thinking about Israel. When Pat Buchanan said that US Congress is zionist occupied territory, he reflected a reality that few politicians dare speak about.

On July 24, members of Congress were on their feet applauding every lie that Benjamin Netanyahu uttered in his hour-long address. It simply confirmed Buchanan’s description of congress being occupied territory. This was Netanyahu’s fourth address to congress, surpassing even Winston Churchill. And Netanyahu is no Churchill.

How has Israel achieved such a stranglehold on American politicians and the decision-making process? AIPAC, the well-heeled non-registered lobby group is flush with money. Zio-billionaires spend a lot of money to keep members of congress and indeed staff at the White House including the president on the straight and narrow path of supporting the zionist entity.

AIPAC does not operate in isolation. It has set up super PACs whose sole aim is to advance the Israeli agenda. The best-known AIPAC super-PAC is the inappropriately-named United Democracy Project.
 
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