Organic for new growers, dont bother with bottles...

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Mikchum

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Organic... the only way to grow.... cheap, healthy, medicine.... what's more important than your own health? Or your customers health? It's not about money. When you do things right the money is always plentiful. Karma is real. Do good things. Don't worry about money....

Here is my recipe...

Gaia green

All purpose and rock dust blend, veg base
Power bloom and rock dust blend, flower base.

Added Gypsum used throughout the whole grow. Could say it's part of the base but it will grow without it. Is in the base already.

Aloe vera honey boost.

Always Ph my water. Wrong ph leads to heavy metal uptake. Not healthy.

Pro mix hp. Worm shit.


Amend soil with all purpose or power bloom at 2 to 3 tablespoons per gallon. Every 3 to 4 weeks top dress with 1 tblspn per gallon. Adjust according to your enviroment..

Rock dust and gypsum I'll use about half tblspn per gallon. Top dress as needed after. If you only get one of the two products get rock dust. I would just get both.

This is enough to get you far superior product in a tent to what you find on the street or dispensary. Quit wasting your money and live longer... your friends too.. should have access to clean organic weed all the time... cleanliness is key.. don't overcrowd the tent either... is really an fairly easy thing to do...
 
OgTigerKing

OgTigerKing

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Now you can buy the ingredients and mix them yourself for 1/4 the price. Dr Earth is half the price but I won't recommend them because the owner is your typical Cali dope dealer piece of shit who claims he invented and discovered basic gardening practices that have been used for millions of years.

What's the deal with gypsum? We are seeing 500-800 ppm in soil, 2% S in leaf tissue since these gypsum pimps started going around a few years ago claiming organic inputs don't have sulfur?



Mikchum said:
Always Ph my water. Wrong ph leads to heavy metal uptake. Not healthy.
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6.4pH vs "it doesn't matter in soil"

Tons of Mn toxic organic grows, thanks to the "ph doesn't matter" gurus. Clackamas Coot et al. And the rock dust mafia.
 
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Mikchum

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OgTigerKing said:
Now you can buy the ingredients and mix them yourself for 1/4 the price. Dr Earth is half the price but I won't recommend them because the owner is your typical Cali dope dealer piece of shit who claims he invented and discovered basic gardening practices that have been used for millions of years.

What's the deal with gypsum? We are seeing 500-800 ppm in soil, 2% S in leaf tissue since these gypsum pimps started going around a few years ago claiming organic inputs don't have sulfur?





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6.4pH vs "it doesn't matter in soil"

Tons of Mn toxic organic grows, thanks to the "ph doesn't matter" gurus. Clackamas Coot et al. And the rock dust mafia.
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If I could mix my own I would. I don't mind paying what I pay. I see your saying too much sulfur in gypsum? Not arguing, it works... can't argue with what I experience. Maybe I'll look into reducing the amounts. Anyway not saying my recipe is perfect it works. And it delivers good quality. Likely better than the avg street or dispensary bud.
 
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Mikchum

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Generally the best is amending the right amounts before transplanting. Timing and pot size and amending... I start amending lower and top dressing but as you go you adjust to where likely you will be water only soon. Add the food when you transplant. By the time the food is done is ready to transplant again. Obviously you don't transplant In flower and top dress mid way thru flower. Transplanting just before flower is a great idea.
 
green_machine_two9er

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OgTigerKing said:
Now you can buy the ingredients and mix them yourself for 1/4 the price. Dr Earth is half the price but I won't recommend them because the owner is your typical Cali dope dealer piece of shit who claims he invented and discovered basic gardening practices that have been used for millions of years.

What's the deal with gypsum? We are seeing 500-800 ppm in soil, 2% S in leaf tissue since these gypsum pimps started going around a few years ago claiming organic inputs don't have sulfur?





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6.4pH vs "it doesn't matter in soil"

Tons of Mn toxic organic grows, thanks to the "ph doesn't matter" gurus. Clackamas Coot et al. And the rock dust mafia.
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I’d like to point out that most true organic heads I know all completely know and understand PH matters. But we just adjust and manage differently that traditional prextices. Coot would never say PH doesn’t matter, in fact it’s the opposite.
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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It's so funny when these people jump onto these buzz words like 'organic'. Gaia green has more heavy metals than any of my nutes. Bet he's a vegan too. Lmao. But I'm sure keeping the ph in check is stopping the uptake of the heavy metals :cool:
Lol
And let's talk about gypsum, and rock dusts! Lmao. Ya no heavy metals in there!!
 
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weedstoner420

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farmingfisherman said:
Been awhile but I've used Dr. Earth for a few grows along with a good potting/compost mixture. When you work full time and grow it's nice to mainly just water and do a little bit of topdressing.
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Agree, I mostly use Espoma dry fertilizers and try to be as water-only as possible.

Seems like the simplest, lowest-effort grow methods also happen to be organic (or at least organic-friendly). I guess Grow Dots or Osmocote-type products are similar in terms of ease of use, but I'm not aware of any advantages those have over an organic medium. Even drain-to-waste hydro with a 1-part nutrient is either way more frequent and tedious work, or requires some automated system that you have to to set up and maintain. I'm trying to get to the same level of effort as my wife's veggie/flower garden, adding water every few days but otherwise just watching grass grow...
 
green_machine_two9er

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Jjgrow420 said:
It's so funny when these people jump onto these buzz words like 'organic'. Gaia green has more heavy metals than any of my nutes. Bet he's a vegan too. Lmao. But I'm sure keeping the ph in check is stopping the uptake of the heavy metals :cool:
Lol
And let's talk about gypsum, and rock dusts! Lmao. Ya no heavy metals in there!!
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People are using gypsum, rock dust, and plenty of organic inputs in containers and not having heavy metal issues. The only time I had heavy metals was outside in the ground and feeding salts… just saying from my personally experience that even though the metal content is there in many organic inputs, doesn’t mean you’re smoking heavy metals….

And I’ve since figured that my arsenic came from the native soil, not the salts. just so that’s clear…

btw im not vegan, kinda insulting to wrap me up with those lunatics cause i grow organically and sustainably. But I’m vegetarian so you’re not so far off I guess shit. Really just felt like someone should stand in the other corner in this one.
Modern hyped YouTube oragnics might be what’s ruining the image here. Idk I won’t get in a pissing match about quality, a good gardener can do amazing things no matter the medium and the right strains make most the difference is the quality match.

but I can argue sustainability, and cost savings for sure. As well as the general forgiving nature for novice gardeners.
 
Hollatchaboy

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I go back and forth between organic, and synthetic. There's pro's and cons to both methods. Organics, imo, is easier and less tedious. Throw in a sip that just needs a reservoir refilled every couple days, and it makes it even easier.

As far as the pH issue goes, I've never had to pH in organic soil. That's the microbes job.


Who pH's the grass and trees and bushes outside?
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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green_machine_two9er said:
People are using gypsum, rock dust, and plenty of organic inputs in containers and not having heavy metal issues. The only time I had heavy metals was outside in the ground and feeding salts… just saying from my personally experience that even though the metal content is there in many organic inputs, doesn’t mean you’re smoking heavy metals….

And I’ve since figured that my arsenic came from the native soil, not the salts. just so that’s clear…

btw im not vegan, kinda insulting to wrap me up with those lunatics cause i grow organically and sustainably. But I’m vegetarian so you’re not so far off I guess shit. Really just felt like someone should stand in the other corner in this one.
Modern hyped YouTube oragnics might be what’s ruining the image here. Idk I won’t get in a pissing match about quality, a good gardener can do amazing things no matter the medium and the right strains make most the difference is the quality match.

but I can argue sustainability, and cost savings for sure. As well as the general forgiving nature for novice gardeners.
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But how can you say they aren't having heavy metal issues without having that weed tested? I personally don't care either way I grow both ways too, I use Gaia green, rock dust and gypsum too. I'm just laughing at the fact that people are saying this is the 'best' when really it's not. Cannabis is an accumulator, it sucks up heavy metals and stores then, so no matter what you are consuming heavy metals. Especially in certain types of rock dust and gypsum. It's a fact. The real question is how much and does it matter?
I'm not knocking 'organic growing' I'm knocking the fact that many of these growers have a 'holier than thou' perspective because they grow 'organic'. It's just kinda funny to me is all.

Carrots are for rabbits! I'll take a nice bloody piece of meat over any vegetable any day anytime, extra points if I harvested it myself..... but that's just me ;) to each their own.
 
Jjgrow420

Jjgrow420

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'organic' growing is actually a lot more complicated than a simple dtw Coco setup. For someone new, it can be daunting trying to learn what amendments to use at what time and how etc. It's a fun way to grow and learn but for someone looking to get some good weed to smoke that's never grown before I wouldn't even think about advising them to grow 'organic'. Shit can get real bad fast, and there's no quick fix with living soil. What you put in is what's in there it's not coming out. Mistakes can be flushed out in Coco and plants can resume normal functions far quicker than trying to 'fix' something in living soil.
It's only called 'organic' for lack of a better word. Look at where the actual amendments come from.... How is that organic? Yes there are ways to reduce your footprint blah blah blah but a very thin margin of people do that. Most just buy into a buzzword like 'organic' and sit back at the end of the day pat themselves on the back for being 'better than the rest'. It's just self gratification without real knowledge. It makes me wanna puke. Not many people actually look into how to truly grow organically like knf. At least I respect that 100% more than someone who buys Gaia green and thinks they are the Jesus of ganja, preaching to all of us 'peasants' to ditch the nutes and buy into their 'organic' fad.
Not to mention the op said he uses pro mix.. uhhh hello. Lol
Guess where that peat came from! How much land was dug up/eco systems disturbed and how many organisms were pillaged, how much fossil fuel was burned in the making and shipping of your promix?! Hahaha. Ya right. 'Organic'...
You buy the word not the practice.
 
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