VV is singing the blues. From seed to Perpetual Weed.

[VictorVIcious]

Thanx, they forum is set up poorly imo. You have to click on your screen name and track to get a list of where you have been. When your reply it shows up as the next post and moves any comments made after your down, its what we have, so...VV

 

[Kruzty]

Yep has some clitches here and there but she's up and runnin.I sent a note to one of the techs about the reply problem so hopefully we can get that fixed.Its a pain in the ass haveing to read thru them all over and over.Vic not sure if it shows new posts on your side like mine due to me being a mod but ya can hit the new post button and she'll jump down to whats been added.But,,,then sometime i'm stuck in the middle and have to scroll thru checkin the new posts.we'll get-r-done.
Thanks for your help,it's people like you guys that will help get this thing growing,oh I mean going .

 

[MrHowardMarks]

So that 12 plant thing is all good, no medical cards and what not? Or are you just jumpping the gun a bit?

Are you planning on fitting within the restrictions?

 

[Kratose]

Damn Vic!

I am so impressed and I am only on page 8. I can only hope to learn as much as you have. I will admit, you seem much more experienced than I have. I will keep reading on, But I just had to stop and say WOW! Great job man. You seem to be getting it down to a science!

Awesome Job,

All I want for Christmas from you is a zip! HaHa!

Happy Holidays Vic, and Happier Growing!

 

[VictorVIcious]

So that 12 plant thing is all good, no medical cards and what not? Or are you just jumpping the gun a bit?

Are you planning on fitting within the restrictions?

There will be Medical Cards issued, by Law within in 10 days of the deadline for the Michigan Department of Community Health to have the administrative rules in place.
We have group, Michigan Medical Marijuna Association, that is a 501c whatever corp, not for profit that we have set up to try and help patients and caregivers get the infromation they need to stay out of trouble.
The Law took effect on Dec. 4th, now 120 days, app April4th system in place and processing applications, ten days issued.
If some one has a Doctors Recommendation the would probably win an Affirmative defense court case, it would cost a bundle and is so unneccessary.
I haven't decided yet, some folks seem to think the cost of growing should be around $20,00 per oz. And everyone should be lining up to be a caregiver. Many of the Adminisrative rules they have proposed are attempts to write the Law over and we are not going to allow that.
By the way, Medical Marijuan may soon be passed in Ohio, it's out of Committee. And in New Jersey as well, thier governor has already siad he would sign it, 6 plants, 1 oz, in NJ, not sure what the Ohio legislation says. VV

 

[Earl]

I think $20 / ounce is crazy,
but I will take all you can grow for that price.

My ovehead is nearer $50 and probly more.

There are a lot of cost
your are not factoring in
if you figure $20
is your production cost.

 

[VictorVIcious]

At least. lol VV

 

[Kratose]

There will be Medical Cards issued, by Law within in 10 days of the deadline for the Michigan Department of Community Health to have the administrative rules in place.
We have group, Michigan Medical Marijuna Association, that is a 501c whatever corp, not for profit that we have set up to try and help patients and caregivers get the infromation they need to stay out of trouble.
The Law took effect on Dec. 4th, now 120 days, app April4th system in place and processing applications, ten days issued.
If some one has a Doctors Recommendation the would probably win an Affirmative defense court case, it would cost a bundle and is so unneccessary.
I haven't decided yet, some folks seem to think the cost of growing should be around $20,00 per oz. And everyone should be lining up to be a caregiver. Many of the Adminisrative rules they have proposed are attempts to write the Law over and we are not going to allow that.
By the way, Medical Marijuan may soon be passed in Ohio, it's out of Committee. And in New Jersey as well, thier governor has already siad he would sign it, 6 plants, 1 oz, in NJ, not sure what the Ohio legislation says. VV

Hey Vic,

Mass also decriminalized it. You can have up to a ounce on you. If a cop wants to be a dick, he can take it away and fine you 100.00 but thats it now. They use to get you good for having bud on you here. They did not say anything about growing plants, But I would bet they would say, 2 plants max, or no more than 1 once on harvest.

If your under 18 though, and get caught, you get it taken away, fined 100 bucks, and have to go to some classes. A lot better than having a record though.

I really hope it goes legal for medicinal use. All you can use here is that Merional Crap. But it would be really nice for a system like Cali has.

I need it for pain, and also to calm my stomach. I was never able to eat breakfast...Just could not hold it down.

But, I see now, My local news stations are advocating it. They have a commercial...It shows a few things...Like Alchol, and says, harmful, Then it shows the Marijuana leaf, and says, Not Harmful, And goes on to talk about its medicinal uses, and how it could benefit medical patients if it were legal. So this is the closest we ever seen it get here. Especially since it actually got "decriminalized"

I honestly think, within 5-10 years it will be legal in the US, Even if its only Medical wise. But we have come very far.

I am still reading through your journal, On about page 20 or so. Haha, This is a big one.

Happy Growing

 

[VictorVIcious]

Yes, I followed the initiative in Mass. All of the research they did was what I used when I wrote my Legalization debate material. I have this weird idea that there is a way to get legalization through, I stole it from slick willy, ITS THE ECONOMY . If you legalize, regulate and tax Marijuna by writing the initative properly and figuring out how to sell that proposal, it might be legalized in my life time. In my opinion this must be done at the State Level.
The way you sell it is the same way 'they' sold us the Lottery and Casino Gambling, to solve the budget problems. In my model, I used a minimum price of $45.00/ quarter oz + the 6% sales tax, works out to a minumum $180.00 per oz. with $45.00 of that going directly to the State. No maximum, the sintax is still the same, sales tax would apply.
You have some really whinny ass politicians out there. VV

 

[MrHowardMarks]

Pineapple express;

"I feel like a pad of butter on top of a pile of flapjacks.... Yeeeaaaahhhh."


"If marijuana isn't completely legal in five years... I have no hope for humanity."


I hope it is completely legalized...

 

[Kratose]

Yes, I followed the initiative in Mass. All of the research they did was what I used when I wrote my Legalization debate material. I have this weird idea that there is a way to get legalization through, I stole it from slick willy, ITS THE ECONOMY . If you legalize, regulate and tax Marijuna by writing the initative properly and figuring out how to sell that proposal, it might be legalized in my life time. In my opinion this must be done at the State Level.
The way you sell it is the same way 'they' sold us the Lottery and Casino Gambling, to solve the budget problems. In my model, I used a minimum price of $45.00/ quarter oz + the 6% sales tax, works out to a minumum $180.00 per oz. with $45.00 of that going directly to the State. No maximum, the sintax is still the same, sales tax would apply.
You have some really whinny ass politicians out there. VV

Very well said!

I also believe, in my lifetime I will see it legal. There is much benefit. Also, right now we could use it, Look at our economy. Our World. Marijuana growing would help the world. Instead of cutting down trees, you can use hemp for paper. And as you know, the benefits go on and on, Especially Medically Wise.

I was very happy to see It decriminalized In Ma. It was a great Victory!

And what you quoted for prices, would not be bad, and you know it would be better bud. Since they would grow the best strains with best genetics. Then some interesting new strains would come out.

That would be great if it happend within 10 years

 

[Kratose]

Merry Christmas Vic

 

[VictorVIcious]

Merry Christmas Vic

Thanx, Kratose and Merry Christmas to all of RollItUp. VV

 

[Earl]

Merry Christmas brothers,
and Prosperous New Year !

 

[MrHowardMarks]

Have you figured out your cost per gram? Cause 20 an ounce doesn't sound like you'd make your money back... Unless it was an outdoor crop.

Prices will have to vary depending on quality... Sure 20 an ounce for some schwag is totally acceptable, but the good stuff will probably stay in the 200 dollar range. At least that's what I think...

 

[VictorVIcious]

Oh, I agree, actually 1/2 higher than that. That is the problem. Folks have heard stories about how much you can produce or have done some outdoor growing. Some don' t feel it takes any special knowledge or care, just like we run into here. Many feel like you should be donating their time. Since they can grow thier own of they want I recommend they do that. I really don't want to get tied up in a pissin contest with anyone about price at this point, I want them to focus on the meeting with the MDCH on January 5th. They are proposing stupid shit, like if a patient you have dies, you are supposed to call LEO to come and get thier plants so they can be destroyed and a running inventory that you submit to them on a yearly basis. Yeah , right. VV

 

[dmoose]

I really don't want to get tied up in a pissin contest with anyone about price at this point, I want them to focus on the meeting with the MDCH on January 5th. They are proposing stupid shit, like if a patient you have dies, you are supposed to call LEO to come and get thier plants so they can be destroyed and a running inventory that you submit to them on a yearly basis. Yeah , right. VV

Hope you dont mind me chimeing in here VV? Sarted reading the thread yesterday, by night I found myself skimming thru "your posts", but realized there was alot of good input by most (B.THC R+D, Earl, Caligurl... etc.) So I decided to start over this morning, and read thru it all! WOW! Alot of information! Thank You All for such good information and links!

Now about your thread. It is my understanding that the MDCH was given the role of overseeing the New Michigan Law (issue cards, set fee's.....etc). The law allready states the basic rules, and limits,...etc. I did NOT see anything in the new law, that gives them the right to add further limitations, additional requirements, ....etc. Im not a violent person, but someone needs to slap them silly(er).

 

[VictorVIcious]

You are correct, it does have to be done properly though. This is not something they asked for, we put it on them and that requires us to educate them not slap them silly. I believe the way to do this is by showing them what the world is really like regarding Marijuna and it' s use and to point out the abject failure or thier department to control the illegal use of Prescription Drugs, those thing kill people.
To bgin with, all they seem to know is what Law Enforcement and Doctor's tell them and since they have only scheduled one public hearing, we would assume they think we are going to allow inspections, something clearly stated in the law, it does not allow.
Law enforcement of course says it will make pot easier to get. THIS is a stupid statement, Patients are not going to run out of pot so someone that doesn't need it for pain can have some too.
Doctor's of course are saying prescription drugs are better.
I want the first person that addresses them on Jan 5th, details of the meeting can be found on the MDCH website, to explain the first one. I want this expendable person to stand there and explain that Marijuana was a $35Billion Dollar crop in 2007, more than corn and soybeans combined and we are Importers, we still buy more from other countries. According to the Michigan State Department of Agriculture, 67,000# of it were grown in or state in 1997, if we can believe law enforcment it is probably 10 times that much right now. Law Enforcement knows that any high school kid can get Marijuana if they wanna. There are people growing Marijuana and smoking Marijuana illegally in this State right now, and nothing in this law is going to change any of that. All this law is going to do is allow Doctors to give recommendations to people for whom Marijuana is better Medicine then the deadly addictive drugs that Physicians write prescriptions for everyday. It should be unconsionable for an Agency that is supposed to be concerned about Community Health to think that people in pain should stay in pain.
During this Campaign we saw Law Enforcement telling us Smoked Marijuana is bad Medicine, and doctors telling us this law would be a nightmare for law enforcement. Are you kidding me. Under this Law if you stop someone because you think they have Marijuana and they show you thier state issued card, a phone call confirms it, and his job is done, go enforce on someone else, how easy can we make it. leave the Marijuan Patients and thier caregivers the hell alone. They would have to be the ones to make it a nightmare with needless arrests and all of the associated Court time. What they are afraid of is losing thier overtime.
I want to ask the Doctors if they own computers, a simple search would show that Dr. Donald Tashkin did a study on the affects of Smoked Marijuana regarding Cancer and if they really cared about the patients and not the drug companys wallets they would be jumping all over the MDCH to leave the patients and caregivers alone like the LAW says they should.
And then we visit the MDCH website where they point out that the problem is the misuse of prescription drugs, just like the National Institue Of Drug Abuse says.
We remind them of the testamony of Irv a few years ago, and the fact that the Democratic party in our State signed a declaration that they would support the Medical Marijuana Bill if it ever reached the house floor and the fact that this is the second Medical Marijuana Act. The first one was in 1979, read the letter written by Carl Levin to the Federal Government demanding that they 'get us our pot', and not any crap pot either.
This initiative did not sneak thru, it was supported by more voters than Barack Obama, it passed in every county in the state, and what the law directs you to do is issue Identification cards, protect the identity of the patients and caregivers as the LAW says you are to do, And get the hell out of the way. VV

 

[MrHowardMarks]

That's good and all, but why issued cards?

That's the one thing I never understood about Medicinal laws... You don't need to get a patient card for Oxycontin, Morphine, Percocet, Vallium... Any perscriptions.

If you treat marijuana differently, more restrictive, the public reaction will be the same.

It's the pharmacudical industries who are at risk, if enough people realized they didn't need their anti anxiety pills, their pills for depression, pain... They will lose some of their billions, and billions of dollars.

Doctor's are whores to the pharmy industry, it's total bullshit, they listen to what the big companie tell them about their drugs and then the push them to their patients.

If only people knew they were taking a derivative of heroine to dull the pain, I think they'd change their minds.

But,

We are the first generation who wasn't fed propaganda on how bad marijuana is, most young people have tried it, and think there isn't anything wrong with it...

I was warned that marijuana was a "gateway drug" as a youngster... Sure I've tried almost every drug known to man, but I'm not a user of anything but weed, all of the other drugs can be classified, in my mind, as drugs... Marijuana is just a plant

I want complete legalization of this sacred plant, the opiate, amphetimine, and barbituate industries have to come to an end... The wrong drugs are illegal, what if your doctor told you to shoot heroine into your arm, instead of refilling your oxycontin perscription... You think then people might understand the giant crock of shit the pharmy industry has been feeding us... They have a cure for everything... Even if you can't get your dick hard.

But.

They can't cure cancer, or aids...

Pisses me right the fuck off.

I can take a pill to get a boner if I'm 90 years old, but if I get cancer or aids I'm fucked.

What do you think the technicians who created the boner pills got paid?

Why the fuck were they wasting their time, instead of curing the real problems and real disease?

Who the fuck can cure the common cold? Nobody???

Complete utter bullshit.

</rant>

 

[VictorVIcious]

I agree with all that your saying, the problem isn't what we think. the problem is we try to reinvent the wheel. How did the get the Lottery passed and why aren't the citizens up, in arms about the Community Health Agency paying for ads and someone to answer the phone, to help you with your Gambling Addiction, why is that a Community Health Problem? In the meantime we want people that need assistance to pay for immunizations for thier children, shots that are required before the children can go to school?
As far as I am concerned the time is right, the stage is set, I have the information I need to make the MDCH, Law Enforcement and the Doctors look as ignorant as the have chosen to be, I am willing to tell them they should be thanking all of the Medical Marijuana Growers for stopping the drain on our budget that getting medical grade marijuan represent, we import it. The biggest $$ leave the State, to Canada, Mexico, whatever, and Law Enforcement says that. The biggest drug problem we have is Prescription drugs according to the UN, NIDA, and the Michigan Department of Community Health, published at the same website as the one public hearing they have scheduled for public discussion of thier proposed 'administrative rules'.
The House Fiscal Agency starts right out Stating thier position. In the first paragraph after thier opening statement they say they expect that state and local police costs for investigating complaints and collecting evidence of violation, that is not verbatim. Who wrote this law? We did, and your attitude is we are going to be breaking the Law we wrote???
In the next paragraph the say noeffect on court costs, I quarantee the did not read these proposed rules when they wrote that.