~Newsflash~ there is NO such thing as Cannabis getting "rootbound"

[charlestonchunk]

bump, i need to know what to do..right now

 

[%MiSTuRBoMbDiGgItty%]

"Root Bound is a state of mind" quote from the infamous DrBudGreengenes who has shown me that I can grow 2ft tall plants yielding almost a oz I have said fuck you to large pots!!!! my friend grows plants barely bigger that what I do and uses 3 gal pots and the roots don't even use up all the medium!!!

 

[Eharmony420]

I did veg for 6 weeks in 4 in rockwool cuned under a 400 metal halide. The cubes were in 5 in pots with rw mini cubes making up the diference.

I checked the roots on the males, all healthy white, and the 4 in cubes were barely full. Just a few stragglers coming out the bottom.

I had expceted them to be "rootbound". They had plenty room left.

Howver I am seeing some probs in flower with more flood time bing needed and more floods. That is just starting 2 week in.

That is all. I am also under the teory maybe they could be bigger if I ageve them biiger containers.

Hope I made some good input with this post. If not hope i did ntpwast yhour day lol.

 

[Bear*rack Olama]

haha sorry Ive not been in here in some time folks.
I spend time here and there around the net often forget what Ive left where brewing. LOL

Let me see if I cant work my way through some of this with the multi quote button...(thank god for those little buttons life would be such a pain in the ass on a forum with out it)

I had a 3.5 gal pot. had a sativa strain that veg for 6.5 weeks flower for 12 weeks. It got 4 ft tall. after i chopped it and pulled the plant from the pot. Its roots was all wooven up like a ball of elastics. bearly can shake dirt of it. I wondered why it never showed signs of "root bound" at any point. I watered every 2 days, feed once a week. it look very healthy. after I saw that, it convinced me how hard it is to kill a pot plant via root bound.

Six and a half weeks veg only for the plant to get to be 4 foot tall?
Thats a pretty slow growth rate brother. You should seriously consider more light or feeding stronger if you are using a strong light source. I use a bank of T12's and I get half an inch of growth per day when feeding mature clones a feed of 600ppms or more in veg.
If your watering every 2 days then you should be feeding every 4 as long as there are no salt buildup problems.

Here is an a quick question then. I want to use the smallest pots possible for my grow space. My gro space is 2ft deep, 30" wide, 4ft tall. How many plants can I safely flower and what is a good pot size for each plant?

I would use 16 oz dixie cups myself but you will have to water more often with a smaller container. Going with a dixie cup in that area if your going to attempt to fill 4 foot of headspace, you will likely have to set up a dripper system to water with.

depending on what kind of lights you were using, this could have been a MUCH bigger plant... if i let a plant veg for 6.5 weeks it would totally overgrow my room... rootbound plants wont DIE, but it will prevent it from getting any bigger... there should be equal parts of the plant above ground and below ground...

bigger containers can grow bigger plants....

See this is partialy true and partialy not. Bigger containers will have faster growth rates indeed, However A plants growth patterns will NEVER be stunted if you feed them correctly. While a Plant in a small container may be slowed down in vertical growth by 1/4 of what it would be in a large one, it will never stop growing or die because of the roots being crammped in that space.

"Root Bound is a state of mind" quote from the infamous DrBudGreengenes who has shown me that I can grow 2ft tall plants yielding almost a oz I have said fuck you to large pots!!!! my friend grows plants barely bigger that what I do and uses 3 gal pots and the roots don't even use up all the medium!!!

My buddy just got done with some bubble gum...He grew some in 500ml pots and some in 1000ml pots. 1000ml pots hold the same amount of soil as a 2 liter bottle will, and the plants that were in the 1000ml pots were only 5-6 inches taller than those in the smaller pots. Yields of the 2 plants looked to be the same if the plant in the smaller container was not larger

I did veg for 6 weeks in 4 in rockwool cuned under a 400 metal halide. The cubes were in 5 in pots with rw mini cubes making up the diference.

I checked the roots on the males, all healthy white, and the 4 in cubes were barely full. Just a few stragglers coming out the bottom.

I had expceted them to be "rootbound". They had plenty room left.

Howver I am seeing some probs in flower with more flood time bing needed and more floods. That is just starting 2 week in.

That is all. I am also under the teory maybe they could be bigger if I ageve them biiger containers.

Hope I made some good input with this post. If not hope i did ntpwast yhour day lol.

Yep you just agreed to exactly what I have been saying that Ive seen in every test that Ive seen.
Plants end up shorter which is more suitable for sog setups anyways but still yield the same as they would have.
My buddies bubble gum plant in the small container just had more stacked node spacing after being flowered out. They look exactlly the same in veg he said and neither had any difference in node spacing but yet they yielded the same or better with small pots and were more compact.

A small pot isnt going to do anything but bring good things to an indoor grow thats not going for plant size or low numbers. Ive personally found that using smaller pots I can flush more often with less water needed and also less water is needed to feed each plant, which means I have to mix less

BUT If your going to add more plants to any space because you have smaller containers you need to give them enough space for air circulation or your yield will suffer. Air is needed to prevent mold and for your plants to get proper amounts of co2 for the plants natural (budmaking) processes.

 

[Bear*rack Olama]

I dont take many pictures, and wont put many up here.
the first one is a pic of 3 MTF going into flower now for a week and a half.
they were in 1/2 gallon pots and now they are in 1/4 of that (still in the pots with less medium) I transplanted them from soil to coco and put them into a flood and drain to remain for their flowering lives.

the second pics is hijack in a 1/2 gallon soil pot
third is MTF 3 weeks in flowering in a coco 700ml pot. (about 3/4 of a 2 liter bottles worth of medium)

 

[homegrwn]

great advice and im down with root bound... i switched out my 2 litre pot witha 4 litre and ive noticed only min difference.. the enviroment got bettter which led to better growth and nicer plant...

Would i be able to get away using a 2 litre bottle next grow... or multiple plants all in 2 litre bottle im tring to save space and want to do more than one plant... thanks in advance and this is great info and should be tagged to help out the noobs

 

[TheFaux]

A root-bound plant is diseased. Under those circumstances, it couldn't have access to the oxygen it needs to reach it's full potential. The plant doesn't have to die, but simply keeping it alive is a half-assed goal to begin with.

Theory:

- 1 clone in a 16 ounce cup on a .5 gph dripper @ # pH & EC
- 2nd clone in a 1 gallon bag on a .5 gph dripper @ # pH and EC
- everything the same except container volume

......... in this case, I have every confidence that the plant in the 1 gallon container would perform much better.

 

[freddiemoney]

A 2-litre bottle is 2000ml, or 1/2 gal. approximately.

 

[OregonMeds]

Diseased and half assed attempt at keeping her alive:

And she has sand on top of the soil for that top 1.5" to control fungus gnats, no roots use the sand in there.

 

[TheFaux]

Diseased and half assed attempt at keeping her alive:

And she has sand on top of the soil for that top 1.5" to control fungus gnats, no roots use the sand in there.

I understand you're anxious to show off your skills (nice plant), but just stay calm and think it out....

I can grow more weed in the earth than you can in that one pot. The earth is one big container.... it's really quite simple.

 

[TheFaux]

Even in a soilless mix, the extra volume is going to make for a bigger and better plant.

Theory:

- 1 clone in a 16 ounce cup on a .5 gph dripper @ # pH & EC
- 2nd clone in a 1 gallon bag on a .5 gph dripper @ # pH and EC
- everything the same except container volume

......... in this case, I have every confidence that the plant in the 1 gallon container would perform much better.

Consider my theory and let me know what you think about it.

 

[stilltokin]

subscribed, this will be interesting haha

 

[OregonMeds]

Oh no you took my last post wrong I really meant that it was half assed. That is an example of a plant that could easily be 4 times it's size by now if not more if it had a bigger container.

I have her in that tiny thing to hold her back, she's a mother plant. In no way is she diseased though, she's in great health. The only thing wrong with her is she was horribly molested by spider mites otherwise she'd look perfect.

I fully agree big plants do need big roots, my only beef is the standard formula of 1 gallon per month because that is not true there are many instances where less is more.

Any of the small box grows will yield way way way more if you completely throw out the rules and use way smaller pots than even 1 gallon so you can get more plants in there. SOG too outside of boxes still better with less.

 

[TheFaux]

Oh no you took my last post wrong I really meant that it was half assed. That is an example of a plant that could easily be 4 times it's size by now if not more if it had a bigger container.

I have her in that tiny thing to hold her back, she's a mother plant. In no way is she diseased though, she's in great health. The only thing wrong with her is she was horribly molested by spider mites otherwise she'd look perfect.

I fully agree big plants do need big roots, my only beef is the standard formula of 1 gallon per month because that is not true there are many instances where less is more as in sea of green cramming plants together zero veg where they may be two months old sure and that would dictate 2 gallon containers if you went by the rule but they aren't needed at all and you will get a better yield with a 20oz cup and just better feeding by cramming in more plants rather than giving big containers. Any of the small box grows will yield more if you throw out the rules completely and use smaller pots so you can get more in there.

Ah yes! I thought you were being sarcastic. hehe. Small containers most definitely have their place & it can't be denied. I usually trim the roots when they get root-bound or whatever then cut back the foliage, but now they got Smart Pots and shit. A root-bound plant is not the end of the world at all, your pic is a prime example. I myself have grown a 6 foot plant in a 1 gallon bag. It was a PITA but it was alive.

 

[panhead]

great advice and im down with root bound... i switched out my 2 litre pot witha 4 litre and ive noticed only min difference.. the enviroment got bettter which led to better growth and nicer plant...

Would i be able to get away using a 2 litre bottle next grow... or multiple plants all in 2 litre bottle im tring to save space and want to do more than one plant... thanks in advance and this is great info and should be tagged to help out the noobs

Yes you can get by with 2 liter bottles but be very cautious,if your new to using very small pots such as 2 liter bottles they need to be watered daily in most cases & fed using extremely weak nute solution every other watering,you also want to coat or paint the outside of the container a dark color,sunlight is toxic to root systems in large quantity.

Multiple plants in a single 2 liter is really pushing it,the only reason to put multiple plants in the same container IMO is from not having enough pots for all the females or clones,or to utilize pots that are too large.

 

[panhead]

A root-bound plant is diseased. Under those circumstances, it couldn't have access to the oxygen it needs to reach it's full potential.

Hmmm,im trying to get a grip on why you say a "root bound" plant is diseased?

Im also at a loss on your comment on oxygen supply to the plant,in soil grows the oxygen supply does not come from the soil it comes from the water being fed to it.

 

[OregonMeds]

Actually it's been proven that the light makes no difference, and I never meant putting multiple plants in the same 20oz cup that would be insane. :')
I meant using 20oz cups so you can fit more plants in the same space.

Here is complete proof of concept and proof the light does nothing with the soda bottles:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88449&page=1&pp=15&userid=30088

Maybe the light is a non issue because they're packed too tight to get much anyway.

Yes growing this way is not the easiest way for new growers you really have to know what you're doing or follow his lead closely and you do have to stay on top of the watering but water is just dumped in a big tray.

It's a really really good way to grow...

 

[TheFaux]

...

... in soil grows the oxygen supply does not come from the soil it comes from the water being fed to it.

You serious?

 

[OregonMeds]

no he's a bit mistaken
When you water it pulls air through the roots as it drains out.
That's where he got confused.

 

[panhead]

You serious?

Uh....yeah,watering is the delievery system to the root mass,not confused either,its fact.