(Pics) How Long Do You Think...

[JSmiths]

... I have left to veg these bad boys?

I germinated the seeds mid-November and kept them under a 100W incandescent bulb until the start of December when I switched them under a 400W HPS light system. Always 24/0.

So, 2 weeks under 100W then 3 weeks under 400W HPS (w/ blue spectrum added).

Judging by the pictures, how much longer do you think I should veg until I switch to 12/12 and flower?

Pic 1 - My 4 plants.

Pic 2 - My tallest plant.

Pic 3 - Growth under the biggest leaves

Pic 4 - Top of the 2 biggest plants.

Pic 5 - Smaller plant. Dark green leaves and tips not as pointy. (Different strain perhaps? What do you think?)

Pic 6/7 - Smaller growth underneath this plant.

 

[buggs bunny]

another six inches hgher is when i would flower them

so at a total of one foot when they go into flower,will usually get you a two foot tall plant in the end

 

[Doctor Cannabis]

I always flower when my plant has 6-8 internodes or 20-30 cm for a pure indica to 60-70 for a pure sativa. Seeing that you have a pretty dominant indica with 4 internodes already (the one between the cotyledons and first pair of real leaves doesn't count) I'd go and say... another week, maybe even a few days more. Expect her to double her size during flowering, just like buggs bunny stated in the above post.

PS: the shriveled up leaves at the bottom are so because of excess heat. Get a fan in there. It could also be nute burn but the yellowy picture does not make for a good diagnosis, since it could be hiding any brown colors.

 

[JSmiths]

The attic is anything but hot.

It's connected to the outside and it's very cold where I am now.

I'm worried about my plants being too cold when I switch the lights to 12 off. (Like lower 50's) Should I be?

I think the lower leaves shriveled when I kept them under the incandescent because it was kept 2-3 inches above the sprouts, and gave off a little heat 24/7 for 2 weeks. I don't mind. The rest of the plant looks good.

Slight burn (yellowing/browning) on a few lower leaves.

The best thing I did for them was transplant them with Fox Farm soil from M.G. Moisture Control. Most of the droopy leaves shot up immediately.

 

[Doctor Cannabis]

In that case, they're shriveled because of the temp difference (yes, under 50 is a big no-no...get a heat plate or smthin like that), and also had nute burn from the MG soil.

Good luck with the grow, bro.

 

[Antman]

Bro, if those are 5 weeks old you desperately need to transplant them into some bigger pots....NOW! At 5 weeks those plants should be at least 18 inches tall. Believe me, I'm not in any way trying to throw bouquets at myself or anything, but the first pic was on 10/27, and the second and third pics are 5 weeks later on 12/1. Used CFL's also, but vegged it in a 8 gallon pot. Not saying you need one that big, but bigger is better! The BIGGER the root system the BIGGER the BUDS!! A 3 gallon pot will be alright. Get busy my man.

 

[GlassFreak]

he is right but i dont think you need to transplant into a bigger pot. here is my plant at 5 weeks old. i have had it under cfl lighting the whole time and it is in a pot that is only 2.5 liters. just put it into 18/6 for the rest to grow out some of those branches and get some nodal growth going. the roots grow more durring 24hr and the plant itself grows durring the night period.

 

[GlassFreak]

oops forgot pic.

 

[GlassFreak]

4 weeks left

 

[GlassFreak]

then flower for 9 or so

 

[Doctor Cannabis]

I agree, your plant may be suffering from root lock.

 

[JSmiths]

I really don't think it's root lock.

Here's why. I seeded them in styrofoam cups for 1 weeks w/ M.G. moisture control. Then, I tranplanted into 1 gallon pots with M.G. M.C.. I saw that the roots had already made their way down to the bottom of the cup. They grew in the 1 gallon pot for 3 weeks, the last of which I had switched the light system 100W -> 400W HPS.

After seeing a litte nute burn, I did some research and decided to transplant to a better soil. I went to Fox Farm website, found a local nursery, and went and bought 2 bags at $11.99 each. I transplanted it last week into a 3.9 gal pot with Fox Farm soil. The roots had made their way to the bottom of the 1 gal. pot too.

I've heard you need at least 1/gal for a foot of growth. 3.9 gallons for a 10 inch bushy plant? I really don't think it's root lock.

The pictures are how the plants are today. The leaves were drooping before (a lot) and when they went into the Fox Farm soil, they shot up overnight.

 

[Doctor Cannabis]

The 1 gal/foot is not the best method of determining what size pot you should buy. Sativas tend to stretch their roots deep into the soil and less to the sides, where as indicas, like your plant, enjoy to stretch their roots more horizontally, sideways, and not deep. That's why for an indica, it's best to have really wide pots, the height being pretty unimportant.

Still, I guess you're right. I've looked at those pics and those pots are big enough for your plants. Yet such a small plant... she must've suffered from root lock or some other shock, maybe from the light change, so much repoting or soil change... it can happen, especially if the plant got used to its conditions.

 

[GlassFreak]

right! like i said my plant is only in a 2.5 liter pot. i havnt used any nutes except what was in the soil. that plant is 14inches tall right now. and it still has 4 weeks till flowering, but im keeping that a mother so i should transplant to a bigger pot soon anyway. your plants streatched while under the incondesent so the brances didnt start till high and now your nodes are not streatched at all... as far as i can see anyway... it makes for a nice canopy.

k i just realized shit yea you could deffinatly be root locked... you have had it in 24 hour light and like i said when its under 24 it concentrates on storing the energy in roots. your roots have outgrown your plant. put it on 18/6 right away and pull some of that energy from the roots into the branch growth. i bet she will explode with growth over the next few weeks and you may take care of your lock up. thats what i would do anyway.

good luck and hope you figure it out!

 

[Boneman]

Start flowering on Jan 1st. It'll make it easier to keep track of time

 

[Antman]

The pictures that you posted don't look like 3.9 gallon pots to me. Are those the most recent pics of your plants or is that before you put them into the bigger pots? Not only that, but it looks like the plants are down half way into their respective containers. Looks like you could pull the plants out of the pots, put like 4-6 more inches of dirt into the pots and then place the plants back in the pots. No sense having a 1 gallon pot(or 3.9 gal) and only filling it half way with dirt. One other thing, the dirt in the rectangular pot looks pretty dry. Looks like it needs some wa-wa. The 18/6 light cycle will help too. I don't go for the whole 24 hr on cycle. The whole idea of growing, to me anyway, is to copy the plants NATURAL environment. Plants collect the suns(or your growlights) energy during the day, and use it to make sugars and whatever else the plant needs to grow at night. I guess the 24 hr. thing works for ppl, but that's not the way nature intended it to be. And what is the real purpose behind it anyway? To cut grow times down? What are you really gaining, a week less in veg? Plus it jacks the shit outta your electric bill. Just the way I see it.

 

[mauichronic808]

Bro, if those are 5 weeks old you desperately need to transplant them into some bigger pots....NOW! At 5 weeks those plants should be at least 18 inches tall. Believe me, I'm not in any way trying to throw bouquets at myself or anything, but the first pic was on 10/27, and the second and third pics are 5 weeks later on 12/1. Used CFL's also, but vegged it in a 8 gallon pot. Not saying you need one that big, but bigger is better! The BIGGER the root system the BIGGER the BUDS!! A 3 gallon pot will be alright. Get busy my man.

5 weeks!??! 18 inches????? ive never seen anything grow that fast in 5 weeks my plants were 11-14 inches.

 

[OregonMeds]

It would be a miracle if a foot tall plant can't be fully supported or is stalled by a rootbound 3+ gallon container, regardless of any other factor.

I think I need Jorge Cervantes himself to come explain how the 1gal per month rule or being rootbound would apply here. Even rootbound it can pull well over 100% of anything it needed.

At least one of your plants has a ph problem or insuficient nutrients.

Your stunted growth aside from growing under a regular incandescent light bulb originally, has to be ph and temperature related now.

 

[JSmiths]

The plants were lined up 2 rows of 3 when they were in the cups. Like this:

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...with a single incandescent 100W bulb hanging in the middle. I always rotated the cups, but the plants grew at different speeds.

Should I put up 4 walls of reflective material for light reflection and temperature control?

 

[Antman]

5 weeks!??! 18 inches????? ive never seen anything grow that fast in 5 weeks my plants were 11-14 inches.

I'm guessin' you didn't look at the pictures I posted. If you can't get your plant to grow 18" in 5 weeks, you're doin' something wrong.