LED/T5 Veg, 400W HPS Flower SCOG Cabinet

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cruzer101

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Hey, Thanks Flo and Pimp.

Yes it is a satisfying feeling. I have done this a few times now and there are so many variables, Between flushing hanging and curing if you do anyone of those incorrectly you have problems. I have had weed that smelled funny, some that didn’t burn right, some tasted like nutes, I think I have had it all. Its great when they come out right.

I was planning on taking them down today and bagging them. They feel dry, the stems don’t snap but I have properly cured before in that condition. This time I have had somewhat high humidity around 55% or so and I am going to wait a couple more days. Besides today I had to fix the washer and dryer. Washer was leaking and the dryer was blowing circuits. Got that done.

Yes Pimp I do plan on making hash out of the shake and trim. I separated it this time to see what the different yield would be between them but I don’t have enough unless I combine them. I guess I will do them together and that way when I have weight I will have the total weight of actual smoke. Buds and hash.

Boy, I am going to be busy tomorrow. :weed:
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Hey everybody,

Today I trimmed the buds off the stems and got dry bud weight.
First I want to say when I first smoked this it rocked my world. I found a seed in one of the buds.
I loved it so I grew it but I could never get the same taste or high.
Well this batch came out Great! The buds are real tight and dense. Just full of trichs.
I had the missed clips or the buds in the small bowl in a paper bag all week. I rolled one out of those
and it was there.

The taste, the high everything. I finally got it right.

Here is a shot,



Here is all the buds in a 5 gallon coffee container.



A closer shot



Then I weighed them, they all wouldn’t fit in one bowl so I had to do it three times.




Then put them in a paper sack



My last grow I got about 72 grams of bud and 3 grams of hash out of the shake.
This grow I got 93 grams of bud. Very Happy with the quality as well as quantity but I think I can get about 25% more text time.

I haven’t made the hash yet but I will let you know the weight when I do.

So, this is the end of this batch. I have learned to keep those spider mites in check and try to keep the root temp within 10 degrees of the ambient temp. The top of the canopy is always hotter by a few degrees. I also over nuted them there first week of flower. Maybe I will do that again. Then keep it low. Like a little less than half of what’s recommended.

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OK, Here we grow again! Lol

First I removed all the insulation and Mylar from the upper growing area. Then I wiped it clean with a water/bleach solution to try and kill the spider mite eggs.



Then I cleaned the drain tray and cut the sides down to about one inch, and added my rack.



I got some oven liners and made a better reflector and added new insulation and Mylar.

I found that using the flower boxes instead of individual containers allowed the roots to grow bigger.
I read that one plants roots will strangle the other and not to do this but I wanted to see for myself. No problem.

In case you are wondering why I didn’t go with one big tub it is because I was trying to make a Fill and drain with a 5 gallon res.
I was trying to cut down on the amount of water needed.

Here’s a shot of what I came up with, didn’t work this time.



After a day of fucking around with it I gave up and just drilled several holes on the bottom.

I wanted to make a Binford Tools Stinkbud 9000 like PotPimps (LOL I love that name) but couldnt get it done in time
so I got two larger flower boxes and some PVC and made a custom 3 point drip system. Each of the plants has three outlets.



There is one outlet on each side that stream water. Then one that drips on the cube.
All outlets are individually adjustable.



Then I ran the chicken wire up the back as well as the sides and hopefully get a larger yield.
I plan on running the two widows in front towards the back and the center to the front.

Here’s another shot, I have two Apollo’s on both side and three widows in the center.

 
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HawaiianBudz said:
very impressive. i love the led lights ,good stuff
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Thanks man, Yea, I love them too. They really work great for small plants. Not to mention they look cool. I cant wait until I can use them exclusively.

The nuggets I got from this last batch were very dense. I have seen LED grows finish and I just dont see nuggets like that.

PotPimps grow is exclusively led this time around maybe you would like ti check that out. Link: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/136182-potpimps-white-widow-grow.html
I think he has 150 watts of them and I have like 65

I want to see 150 w led with a 400w HPS SOG
Or a 150w led, 250W HPS and a 100W uv in a sog.

Maybe I will do it after I start working again and got some spare cash.
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cruzer101

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Hey Guys,

I have the second crop in jars for a couple days now, I Open the jars and smell it once every day.



They got that hay smell on the second day.



This is like the third day and the hay smell is already going away!
I am surprised. This usually takes a week.

check them out.







I am Just about ready to flower the third batch. I will get some pics when they wake up.
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Flo Grow

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Say Cruzer, your grow area is 36x18 inches, but how tall is it?
How tall did your girls get?
Did you keep them in the 5 inch pots the whole time?

If you answered these already, then my bad! I can't remember........and I'm high as a giraffe's ass right now.

I want to do a Scrog myself with some Big Buddha Blue Cheese(10) or Mazar(5) beans I have.My Blue Cheese is feminized but the Mazar is standard. I'm hoping for one GOOD male Mazar so I can make some Blue CheeZar!! I have a 250w HPS and 4sq feet with 64 inches of head space. Take away 7" for my hood plus 12" for light distance to canopy and another 9" for container and top of soil.......leaves me 36" for total plant height. That means with the net set 8" above the soil, my plants can't get more than 28 inches above the net. I am building 2 wooden frames to hold 2 plants at a time with the net on top, so I can rotate 4 plants at a time for a perpetual harvest, as well as be able to rotate the plants under the light and they can be moved for easier feeding. Tell me what you think Cruzer. You have shown you can Scrog, so any input would be appreciated. Thanks and Grow Hard!!
 
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Flo Grow said:
Say Cruzer, your grow area is 36x18 inches, but how tall is it?
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Flo Grow said:
How tall did your girls get?
Did you keep them in the 5 inch pots the whole time?

If you answered these already, then my bad! I can't remember........and I'm high as a giraffe's ass right now.

I want to do a Scrog myself with some Big Buddha Blue Cheese(10) or Mazar(5) beans I have.My Blue Cheese is feminized but the Mazar is standard. I'm hoping for one GOOD male Mazar so I can make some Blue CheeZar!! I have a 250w HPS and 4sq feet with 64 inches of head space. Take away 7" for my hood plus 12" for light distance to canopy and another 9" for container and top of soil.......leaves me 36" for total plant height. That means with the net set 8" above the soil, my plants can't get more than 28 inches above the net. I am building 2 wooden frames to hold 2 plants at a time with the net on top, so I can rotate 4 plants at a time for a perpetual harvest, as well as be able to rotate the plants under the light and they can be moved for easier feeding. Tell me what you think Cruzer. You have shown you can Scrog, so any input would be appreciated. Thanks and Grow Hard!!
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LOL, "High as a giraffe's ass"
That’s a good one. That deserves a doobie.

Ah,
Ok ready now,
Yea, the first time I did keep them in the 5” pots. I got like 73 grams.
The second time I got the 24” flower boxes and got a larger root mass and like 93 grams. This time I got the 30” flower boxes and hope to get 120 grams.

You got plenty of room man. I got 32" total height. 22" from the base of the plant to the light. The thing is, when doing a scrog you dont really need to worry about total plant height because you are growing sideways. Only the budsites grow vertically Even if they get too tall you can bend them.

Start your plants in a veg area, grow for a month or about 10' tall and top them. Let them sit for a week. Once you see new growth go ahead and move them to your flower area. let them grow vertically up through the screen about two to three inches. Then start training. the main stem as well as the branches. keep it all even with the screen, or right above it. You want one budsite for every hole in the screen but that never happens.

After about 2 weeks you will see a little more then half of the screen filled. So, now we are at about seven weeks.

Now is time to look under the screen and get your next grow. What ever has not reached the screen by now will stay under it and not produce much.
These also have the most rooting hormones Take about twice as many cuttings as you want plants. Then keep the best ones. (You got 2 months to figure that out)

The rest under the screen can be removed and the energy will go to the buds.
I have tried it both ways and although I have a hard time throwing anything away it is best to clean it up and toss the plant material in the bin. (I make hash out of it)

Give them a day or two to recover from the cutting then It is time to go 12/12
They will grow real fast now and fill the rest of the screen in two weeks.

The trick to getting the main cola the same height as the rest is to stop training at about two weeks into flower, That’s when they stop stretching.

OK now you’re done. Watch them grow, the stem will get about 3 to 5 inches tall and grow a bud from there. Total height from screen 8 to 10 inches.

My last couple grows they never got more then 10" above the screen.
So if you want to talk vertical height from plant base it is like 18" and I am using a 400w. With a 250W you may want to stop training at 1 week into flower just to get more height.

If I was just starting to build a 4x4 grow area and had a 250w hps what I would do is get another one. Then google DIY cool tube and get what I would need to make two. Then mount them side by side and connect the ends with ducting. Making a U shape. Put an inline fan on one end and vent it outside. Then an intake from outside to the other end. What I would have is a air cooled self contained lamp that gave off about 50,000 lumens and zero heat.

You could set it right on your plants if you want. I would run it 2 inches away from the top of the canopy. Now the 250 would have the penetration capability of a 400w or more. Probably more like a 600w would.

Hum, I guess I got to rambling, where did that roach go?
 
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Flo Grow

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"Hum, I guess I got to rambling, where did that roach go?" LMAO.....fa sho'


Good looking out on pulling this noobies coat tail with the grow info.!! I've been reading ALOT these past two months. You have said the same thing as most articles and posts that I've read. I don't have a 4x4 area though....that's 16sq ft.....I wish. Mine is a Homebox tent 31.5" x 31.5" (equals 6.9sq ft), so I can easily play with a 2x2 area (4sq ft). I'm following the rule of 1 plant per square foot, so I can run 4 plants total or 2 sets of 2 plants about 30 days apart. Then I could harvest every 4 to 6 weeks. I've seen a few posts where cats were easily harvesting 3 to 6 z's with a solid 2 plant Scrog. I could come to like a 1/2 lb average every 2 months! I'll be using 3 gallon grow bags too.



I have a cool tube and will be air cooling it separate from my exhaust. That way I can get right on top of those girls! I'll be taking my cuttings from the bottom right before I flower, that way I don't have to wait for them to reveg.. The clones will be 30 days old just like the Mother. These cuttings will begun to show sex before I flower them, although I have nothing but fem seeds, but I'll be able to see some good characteristics for choosing an ulitmate mother plant for cloning only. Then I'll cross with a male Mazar on one or two branches for plenty of F1 seeds. When I do my grow, I might document it first, then post everything at once. I don't know yet, but I'll definitely hit you up for info/help during the grow, if need be.

Thanks and Congrats again!!
 
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I'll def do that when I'm up and running in about 3 weeks. I can't wait. I'm thinking of starting the Mazar and Blue Mystic first, since they're standard seeds. So I can get a good male and female from each to cross with one another. Female Mazar w/ male Blue Mystic and vice-versa. I also want some male pollen from each to cross with 2 Blue Cheese females, since I only have feminized Blue Cheese. Therefore, my first grow will be Mazar and Blue Mystic, then do Blue Cheese second for another cross. What do you think?

Mazar + Blue Mystic = Mystic Mazar

Mazar + Blue Cheese = Blue CheeZar

Blue Mystic + Blue Cheese = Blue CheeStic

LOL...........geedy like a kid in a candy store!!
 
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If they are F1 hybrids you wont get the best of both by crossing them. because they are selectively bred for specific genes, their offspring might not display the same phenotype as the parents. This is the 'hybrid vigor' that is present in F1 hybrids that is not always seen in the offspring.
You may know this and are looking to cross for a specific phenotype. Its generally best left to people who do this for a living and arent just consumers of bud but also producers for reputable seed companies.
 
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Pump ya breaks Loh-Pan. I'm fully aware of the F1 situation. Whatever I decide to cross, they will display the same phenotype as the parents, it will just take growing more of them to see what I'm looking for.

You think the "producers for reputable seed companies" walked in the door with a PhD in botany?! No, they decided they wanted to learn more about cannabis and hybrids by making their own. Crossing original strains doesn't even guarantee you the best of both parents because both parents also possess recessive genes. You have to grow the offspring in order to find what you're looking for as an individual. Maybe you're complacent with always ordering seeds or buying them in person, and believing you get what you asked for 100% of the time. These same reputable producers are not just selling original strains or F1's. Some sell the same type of seeds I'm going to make on my own. How many posts have you read where the grower is talking about different phenotypes with the seeds they purchased from reputable producers? At least half, I'd say.

If most people had your way of thinking, we wouldn't have all the choices we currently have. Generally, consumers ARE doing it for a living......their living, whatever that may be.

So you keep ordering and fall in line. I'll learn more and grow better due to the desire of gaining knowledge!

All that from a guy that joined 19 months before me, but has 1/3 as many posts and still "Learning how to roll" !!!
 
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Sorry about that Cruzer101!! But I had to get that one off my chest! You know, I know, that you know what time it is. Simple minded people piss me the fuck off!!
 
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Flo Grow said:
Sorry about that Cruzer101!! But I had to get that one off my chest! You know, I know, that you know what time it is. Simple minded people piss me the fuck off!!
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No problem man. Thats what fourms are for, along with sharing knowledge, expressing your opinion.

Thanks for the thought.

What time is it anyway?
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All i was trying to say was that if you are trying to cross two types to get the best of both, it doesn't necessarily, and often hardly, works that way.
I wasent trying to aggravate you by threatening your knowledge or trying to ruin cruzer's awesome journal.
Sorry cruzer, i am just trying to help people out with their growing and sometimes it is misunderstood.
 
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