moldy colas!!!!

[BCtrippin]

u don't know what your talking about,

if that's the case do you throw out the entire plant when u find a spot of mould?

I also was not talking about 'scraping' mould off but cutting out ALL the necrotic tissue, which is easier to do when the bud has dried for a day or two.

also, please point me to the strain of mildew who's spores can 'grow' in my lungs? fungus spores are being inhaled constantly by humans. google 'lung infection fungus'.

The dangers of mouldy bud, as has been pointed out before, are in toxins that can exist in the mould (depending on strain). These toxins can cause damage to the lungs, which in turn open

Dont tell me I dont know what Im talking about, especially when your completely ignorant yourself.... And Yes the toxins are horrible for you, another reason not to scrape them off and smoke them...

mold/mildew/fungi Can grow in your lungs. PERIOD. Its a fact... Here I googled it for you because your clearly too lazy to research anything..

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080926034617AA33hf0

http://www.medhelp.org/forums/RespiratoryDisorders/messages/3029.html


Your biggest problem is you describe All problems as "mold" There are Several different types of infections, this case was primarily powdery white mildew, with a few spots of Botryitis (grey mold) forming...if you actually looked at the pics you would know this.


When I said it permeates the weed, I meant the buds that are showing signs... You cant just cut off the outside of the bud with the mold. The mold is actually feeding off of the bud its infecting, by the time your seeing mildew then mold the buds are infested and should Never be smoked.

I never said chop them down if you find 1 bud with mold, if the rest are fine remove the infected branch and clean your grow room.


This has nothing to do with fear, this has to do with Serious health risks, cancer, neumonia, there are a lot of lung diseases that can be caused from inhaling and smoking mold/mildew spores.

If you read my previous posts I said I wouldnt even make oil out of buds with signs of grey mold (botrytis) I would Only make Butane extraction Oil with bud that got infected with powdery mildew at the end of flowering like the dude who started this thread.


Im pretty sure I can say any experienced member who actually knows what they are talking about will agree with me on this.

Anyways...you can smoke your scraped off moldy herb, but I would suggest regular checkups because your never gonna get all the mold or mildew off hte bud and you dont get lung transplants for smokers.

 

[emmpey]

i didn't see your post before i edited mine to include a link and some additional info (i toned it down too )

 

[BCtrippin]

Nice, yeah I just checked your link...Heres a quote...

Opportunistic Infections

People with weak immune systems (i.e., immune-compromised or immune-suppressed individuals) are more vulnerable to infections by molds (as well as more vulnerable than healthy persons to mold toxins). Aspergillus fumigatus, for example, has been known to cause aspergillosis in the lungs of immune-compromised individuals. These individuals inhale the mold spores which then start growing in their lungs. Trichoderma has also been known to infect immune-compromised children.
Healthy individuals are usually not vulnerable to opportunistic infections from airborne mold exposure. However, molds can cause common skin diseases, such as athlete's foot, as well as other infections such as yeast infections.
​

Theres some that can grow in your lungs.

Im not saying its gonna happen to everyone every time....but it can and does happen, and you have to be careful with mold or mildew infected herb.

 

[emmpey]

another reason not to scrape them off and smoke them...

I don't know if its clear what i do, but as an example;

say i have cut a bud away from the stem, the area of bud which was close to the stem is discoloured and maybe (not always) has some fungus fluff on.

I leave bud to dry for a day or two, the infected tissue dries much faster than healthy tissue.

cut that dry brown hard shit out (and throw it) until only soft green (uninfected) tissue is left.

i just then dry and cure as normal.

like i said, done many times over the years but my lungs are ok. if u miss a bit the taste is unbearable so you soon learn.

 

[BCtrippin]

I don't know if its clear what i do, but as an example;

say i have cut a bud away from the stem, the area of bud which was close to the stem is discoloured and maybe (not always) has some fungus fluff on.

I leave bud to dry for a day or two, the infected tissue dries much faster than healthy tissue.

cut that dry brown hard shit out (and throw it) until only soft green (uninfected) tissue is left.

i just then dry and cure as normal.

like i said, done many times over the years but my lungs are ok. if u miss a bit the taste is unbearable so you soon learn.

This is my point, even with your method you have smoked mold before. The problem with lung disease is usually you dont know anything is wrong until your in the hospital on your death bed. Its not very often people are getting their lungs checked out... Im just saying I wouldnt recommend anyone to do this, its not safe.

When your crops get infected you have to be brave and give up the crop. If your lucky salvage it for oil. But you learn, and clean the fuck out of your grow room and use preventative measures to make sure you dont get mold in the first place.

 

[MrBaker]

....liquid butane is just a bit colder then your freezer....you cant get instant frostbite from your freezer. Butane is so cold boils at room temperature...any spores in there would be killed, which there wont be if you have a proper extractor.

I think you smoked a bit too much moldy bud, you need to do some research

Water curing wont do anything to a bud infested with spores, neither will bubble hash, your gonna have spores mixed with trichromes....

I dont think anything could survive in a pressurized canister of liquid butane boiling and dripping out liquid oil. There are no solid particles in the honey oil anyway, it would just be THC if you dried the buds properly.

Also I just want to say, I would never do this with grey mold (botryitis) just the powdery white mildew. And only if the buds still looked salvageable.

Colder than a freezer, true. Point taken. Although I only looked through my undergrad textbooks and notes, I don't see how cold kills a spore. Spores are meant to survive through heat and cold. From what I've learned, cold is especially bad at sterilizing/sanitizing. On a cold scale, like the one we're talkin' about with liquid gas, maybe spores die. I'm not arguing; I'm just a "show me" person. You may very well be right. My degree(s) are not in microbiology, but if you can autoclave mold and not kill all the spores, that makes me doubt cold.

Smoked too much moldy bud? Maybe.

I dig what you're sayin' about spores comin' out in hash ops where physical agitation it gettin' the trichs.

I also agree on only really attempting anything if its the powder white stuff. Anything else is askin' for trouble.

 

[BCtrippin]

Colder than a freezer, true. Point taken. Although I only looked through my undergrad textbooks and notes, I don't see how cold kills a spore. Spores are meant to survive through heat and cold. From what I've learned, cold is especially bad at sterilizing/sanitizing. On a cold scale, like the one we're talkin' about with liquid gas, maybe spores die. I'm not arguing; I'm just a "show me" person. You may very well be right. My degree(s) are not in microbiology, but if you can autoclave mold and not kill all the spores, that makes me doubt cold.

Smoked too much moldy bud? Maybe.

I dig what you're sayin' about spores comin' out in hash ops where physical agitation it gettin' the trichs.

I also agree on only really attempting anything if its the powder white stuff. Anything else is askin' for trouble.

I would imagine its kinda like when you go to your Doctor and get warts frozen off to kill them..

I dont think they key is to kill the spores anyway, with butane extraction your freezing them rendering them inert for the time being, but your still filtering out any impurities and ending up with broken down honey oil anyway.

Either way, theres no way mold/mildew spores will survive the process of butane extraction...once the butane hits the air inside the tube it literally starts rapidly boiling off in a matter of minutes.

More growers need to be safe and think of Health before Greed.

 

[jsgrwn]

throw the moldy shit away....not good for you...keep the good ones but xamine them closely

this is correct but you can keep the moldy ones and make honey oil, i have and it worked great. late

 

[808dank]

wow I guess I should have checked this earlier...I was so caught up with everything It took me a while to get around to it. I combed through all kinds of info and I think I'm going with the butane extraction method. I'm still throwing out some of the "really moldy" buds, and salvaging what I can to make the oil.

Seems to me that its quite obvious you should not smoke moldy buds...I guess you might be able to get away with it but it's just not worth the risk. Thanks for the help, the link to the how to stuff really helped. You live and you learn.

 

[BCtrippin]

wow I guess I should have checked this earlier...I was so caught up with everything It took me a while to get around to it. I combed through all kinds of info and I think I'm going with the butane extraction method. I'm still throwing out some of the "really moldy" buds, and salvaging what I can to make the oil.

Seems to me that its quite obvious you should not smoke moldy buds...I guess you might be able to get away with it but it's just not worth the risk. Thanks for the help, the link to the how to stuff really helped. You live and you learn.

Yeah thats definitely what I would do.

Only keep the ones with powdery mildew that still look like nice buds. Completely dry them out then make honey oil with Butane extraction.
Throw away ANY, I mean ANY buds with Botryitis (the grey mold)

Grey mold is already breaking down the plant so I wouldnt want to extract anything from that.

Good luck.