Did God Create Man?
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skunkushybrid
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I say explosion, not because of any speed involved in the process, but because in an explosion everything splinters off into a billion pieces and into a billion different directions.
We can have population explosions where over a period of 50 years the population increases by so much. An explosion does not need to be quick, only relatively so.
Genetically we are two chromosomes/dna strands more than a common house fly. Basically we are the same.
I'm aware of chimps using tools, aware too that they now are far more tribal, and their hunts gaining what could be described as ceremony. Oh, chimps are apes btw. They're not the only animals that have started to use tools, elephants have started too.
Since the mapping of the human genome we have become aware that we are built basically the same way as the rest of life on this planet. I believe that all life on this planet stemmed from the same single strand of protein.
We can have population explosions where over a period of 50 years the population increases by so much. An explosion does not need to be quick, only relatively so.
Genetically we are two chromosomes/dna strands more than a common house fly. Basically we are the same.
I'm aware of chimps using tools, aware too that they now are far more tribal, and their hunts gaining what could be described as ceremony. Oh, chimps are apes btw. They're not the only animals that have started to use tools, elephants have started too.
Since the mapping of the human genome we have become aware that we are built basically the same way as the rest of life on this planet. I believe that all life on this planet stemmed from the same single strand of protein.
closet.cult
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this is the first i've heard of this. you mean NUMBER of strands? but we do not SHARE a large percentage of SIMULAR genes with the housefly, do we?
could be. i always think about all the lost kingdoms in the cambrian extinction. what kind of cool creatures did we lose? were there plants/animal creatures = plantimals?
evolution can move any direction by a twist of fate.
dumbassdrummer
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"I say explosion, not because of any speed involved in the process, but because in an explosion everything splinters off into a billion pieces and into a billion different directions.
We can have population explosions where over a period of 50 years the population increases by so much. An explosion does not need to be quick, only relatively so."
Relative to what? There is nothing to compare the big bang to, except perhaps a supernova, which occurs at a much faster rate than the big bang did. Ask any scientists and they will tell you the big bang was (and is) a very slow process.
"Genetically we are two chromosomes/dna strands more than a common house fly. Basically we are the same."
Even if we are only two chromosomes away (which I highly doubt) those two chromosomes are enough to create the absurdly obvious differences between the house fly and humans - if the genetic differences produce such obvious developmental differences, how then are those genetic differences not considered significant?
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Since the mapping of the human genome we have become aware that we are built basically the same way as the rest of life on this planet. I believe that all life on this planet stemmed from the same single strand of protein."
Again, all life on this planet is carbon based, but you've still ignored my points regarding the differences - differences enough to classify the varying kingdoms, phyla, classes, orders, ect, ect. You say all life is basically the same, and again I wonder in what sense. If you mean that it's all carbon based, very well, that is indeed the case, but of carbon based life there are vast differences between this planet's millions of species.
We can have population explosions where over a period of 50 years the population increases by so much. An explosion does not need to be quick, only relatively so."
Relative to what? There is nothing to compare the big bang to, except perhaps a supernova, which occurs at a much faster rate than the big bang did. Ask any scientists and they will tell you the big bang was (and is) a very slow process.
"Genetically we are two chromosomes/dna strands more than a common house fly. Basically we are the same."
Even if we are only two chromosomes away (which I highly doubt) those two chromosomes are enough to create the absurdly obvious differences between the house fly and humans - if the genetic differences produce such obvious developmental differences, how then are those genetic differences not considered significant?
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Since the mapping of the human genome we have become aware that we are built basically the same way as the rest of life on this planet. I believe that all life on this planet stemmed from the same single strand of protein."
Again, all life on this planet is carbon based, but you've still ignored my points regarding the differences - differences enough to classify the varying kingdoms, phyla, classes, orders, ect, ect. You say all life is basically the same, and again I wonder in what sense. If you mean that it's all carbon based, very well, that is indeed the case, but of carbon based life there are vast differences between this planet's millions of species.
skunkushybrid
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Just something I found interesting.
Human connection
Fruit flies share nearly 60% of human genes and are studied by thousands of scientists around the world. The reason is that fruit flies and humans use the same or similar genes to develop into adults. And the short life cycle of the fly makes it an ideal subject for genetic experiments.
Rubin: Celera speeded things up
Professor Gerry Rubin, from the University Of California, Berkeley, worked with the Celera Genomics Corporation to decipher the fruit fly's DNA sequence: "They can become addicted to alcohol, cocaine and other drugs. They have a wake-sleep cycle like humans do. They have complicated rituals of behaviour.
"So in many ways they're really fully functional animals with a brain and behaviour, in addition to sharing many of the biochemical pathways humans have."
Professor Rubin set up the Berkeley Drosophila Genome Project Group in 1992. Since then, he has been sequencing the entire genetic blueprint. The information can be accessed on the internet by scientists, and Dr Matthew Freeman, at the Medical Research Council in Cambridge, UK, has been making practical use of the information. He studies flies with disrupted eyes.
"It turned out that the molecules causing these problems in fruit flies were the same molecules that we know were responsible for causing cancer in humans. So our research in something as bizarre-sounding as a fruit fly's eyes leads to an understanding of the molecules that cause cancer in humans."
Soil worm
Decoding an organism's genome is time-consuming but the technology used is becoming faster and faster. The soil worm Caenorhabditis elegans took eight years to decode, but the more complicated fruit fly has been completed in the same time.
The race is now on to decode other organisms
This is partly due to the intervention of Dr Craig Venter, the entrepreneur head of Celera Genomics. He has antagonised some fellow scientists by patenting pieces of genetic code with commercial value. But the combination of Dr Venter's fast-decoding technology and Professor Rubin's carefully-compiled fruit fly database has been a success for both of them.
"Working with Craig Venter and his colleagues at Celera has allowed us to complete the project 18 months earlier and probably saved the US tax payer $10 million," Professor Rubin told the BBC.
Dr Peter Little is a molecular biologist at Imperial College, London, UK. He agrees that the complete sequencing of the fruit fly genome is significant and useful.
He said: "It is a dramatic and important achievement and provides a very powerful way of developing hypotheses which can then be tested in humans."
Gene race
However, Dr Little disagrees that this means that Celera is sure to win the race to complete the human genome, beating the publicly-funded Human Genome Project.
"You have to understand that the fly genome is 10 times smaller than the human genome, and is also simpler. In humans, the same sequence is found over and over again - it's the most ghastly mess, but the fly isn't."
This small soil worm showed the way
He believes the fly genome could help Celera by allowing them to gain early experience in seeing what genes look like among the long strands of human DNA.
"But we won't know until very late in their project - their method does everything at once, whereas the HGP does things in steps, looking in great detail," he said. He added: "If I was a betting man, and I am, I would still put money on the publicly-funded HGP to produce the biologically-important information before Celera."
Human connection
Fruit flies share nearly 60% of human genes and are studied by thousands of scientists around the world. The reason is that fruit flies and humans use the same or similar genes to develop into adults. And the short life cycle of the fly makes it an ideal subject for genetic experiments.
Professor Gerry Rubin, from the University Of California, Berkeley, worked with the Celera Genomics Corporation to decipher the fruit fly's DNA sequence: "They can become addicted to alcohol, cocaine and other drugs. They have a wake-sleep cycle like humans do. They have complicated rituals of behaviour.
"So in many ways they're really fully functional animals with a brain and behaviour, in addition to sharing many of the biochemical pathways humans have."
Professor Rubin set up the Berkeley Drosophila Genome Project Group in 1992. Since then, he has been sequencing the entire genetic blueprint. The information can be accessed on the internet by scientists, and Dr Matthew Freeman, at the Medical Research Council in Cambridge, UK, has been making practical use of the information. He studies flies with disrupted eyes.
"It turned out that the molecules causing these problems in fruit flies were the same molecules that we know were responsible for causing cancer in humans. So our research in something as bizarre-sounding as a fruit fly's eyes leads to an understanding of the molecules that cause cancer in humans."
Soil worm
Decoding an organism's genome is time-consuming but the technology used is becoming faster and faster. The soil worm Caenorhabditis elegans took eight years to decode, but the more complicated fruit fly has been completed in the same time.
This is partly due to the intervention of Dr Craig Venter, the entrepreneur head of Celera Genomics. He has antagonised some fellow scientists by patenting pieces of genetic code with commercial value. But the combination of Dr Venter's fast-decoding technology and Professor Rubin's carefully-compiled fruit fly database has been a success for both of them.
"Working with Craig Venter and his colleagues at Celera has allowed us to complete the project 18 months earlier and probably saved the US tax payer $10 million," Professor Rubin told the BBC.
Dr Peter Little is a molecular biologist at Imperial College, London, UK. He agrees that the complete sequencing of the fruit fly genome is significant and useful.
He said: "It is a dramatic and important achievement and provides a very powerful way of developing hypotheses which can then be tested in humans."
Gene race
However, Dr Little disagrees that this means that Celera is sure to win the race to complete the human genome, beating the publicly-funded Human Genome Project.
"You have to understand that the fly genome is 10 times smaller than the human genome, and is also simpler. In humans, the same sequence is found over and over again - it's the most ghastly mess, but the fly isn't."
He believes the fly genome could help Celera by allowing them to gain early experience in seeing what genes look like among the long strands of human DNA.
"But we won't know until very late in their project - their method does everything at once, whereas the HGP does things in steps, looking in great detail," he said. He added: "If I was a betting man, and I am, I would still put money on the publicly-funded HGP to produce the biologically-important information before Celera."
skunkushybrid
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I've underlined the answers to your questions.
midgradeindasouth
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You are holding your own here Skunk.
I have enjoyed this thread.
Even the closed minded comments.
I have enjoyed this thread.
Even the closed minded comments.
Taipan
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ya it did better then i expected lol, wayyyyyyyyyy more posts then i had though, rock on guys
Smoketolivelife
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Man Created God
TheBlazehero
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I highly recommend the Cosmos series with Carl Sagan to learn about the origin of life. It's on Netflix.
Woodstock.Hippie
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I believe in natural selection. (survival of the fittest)
Evolution is just theory.
Unless, of course, I believe humans could evolve?
Evolution is just theory.
Unless, of course, I believe humans could evolve?
ThaDutchieCouple
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I agree, it wouldnt matter to me if religion wasnt pushed upon others, but unfortunatly it is.
stuffed down the throats of young minds, (everyone knows children are more likely to belive something if taught at a young age)
Theress an organized group to go door to door to try and get more followers for fuck sake!
Religion IS pushed onto other, so you should care!
People need to find god within themselves. finding strength not in something invisible outside themselves, that has caused more war and bloodshed then anythingelse. I'm sick of people beliveing every goddamn thing they hear. The masses of people on this earth arnt thinking clearly and it really worries me....
TheBlazehero
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man created god, homie. just have faith in the interconnectedness of life. we are all made of star stuff, the result of billions of years of evolution and incidental, accidental mutation. infinite intelligence in all of life. i have faith, but i don't believe in a 'religious' god. my faith is the belief that i can tap in to the universe's infinite intelligence for inspiration and creation. i got soul but i'm not a soldier.
Woodstock.Hippie
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I believe HAL knows what happened in 2001.
CrackerJax
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Way to take the same position three different ways.
P
PadawanBater
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Brevity, The Soul Of Wit!
New Member
Man created god.
morgentaler
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In the beginning there was the singularity.
And it was good.
And then the singularity expanded, a massive release of energy, matter and visible light.
Matter coalesced, forming gravity wells which drew in more matter.
Stars were born, emitting many types of rays.
And it was good.
Planets formed, and oceans of water, methane, or hydrogen covered their surfaces.
Complex molecules were created among the volatile environments, eventually giving way to simple life.
And it was good.
Life changed infinitesimally, growing more complex over passing generations. Diverging, adapting, evolving.
It spread to encompass the Earth and, in all probability, others as well.
Life left the oceans and spread across the land. Diverging, adapting, evolving.
And it was good.
The first proto-humans discovered fire and cooking, and extracted more energy from their food than by simple digestion.
This extra food energy meant less time was required for hunting and gathering. This gave them free time to think.
And it was good.
The people discovered communication through language and art, and told tales of epics hunts and where the best sustenance could be found.
They described their world in simple terms but, like the people, language evolved.
And it was good.
They looked at the world and asked questions of how the things around them came to be.
And there were those who answered. "I know what made the world. And if you do not follow the rules he has given me, He will destroy you."
They learned how to lie.
And it was God.
And it was good.
And then the singularity expanded, a massive release of energy, matter and visible light.
Matter coalesced, forming gravity wells which drew in more matter.
Stars were born, emitting many types of rays.
And it was good.
Planets formed, and oceans of water, methane, or hydrogen covered their surfaces.
Complex molecules were created among the volatile environments, eventually giving way to simple life.
And it was good.
Life changed infinitesimally, growing more complex over passing generations. Diverging, adapting, evolving.
It spread to encompass the Earth and, in all probability, others as well.
Life left the oceans and spread across the land. Diverging, adapting, evolving.
And it was good.
The first proto-humans discovered fire and cooking, and extracted more energy from their food than by simple digestion.
This extra food energy meant less time was required for hunting and gathering. This gave them free time to think.
And it was good.
The people discovered communication through language and art, and told tales of epics hunts and where the best sustenance could be found.
They described their world in simple terms but, like the people, language evolved.
And it was good.
They looked at the world and asked questions of how the things around them came to be.
And there were those who answered. "I know what made the world. And if you do not follow the rules he has given me, He will destroy you."
They learned how to lie.
And it was God.
CrackerJax
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TheBlazehero
Active Member
cheers, but honestly Carl Sagan and his Cosmos series put the ideas in my head. I definitely recommend it stoned too. Can even watch on Netflix instantly!
oh...i got soul but i'm not a soldier is from The Killers song All These Things That I've Done....i didn't make that up. I think the song is about Flowers (the singer) own religious struggle growing up in the Mormon church....so it applies : )