The New World Order...God Help Us!
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ozstone
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Actually it was Gene Simmons from kiss who came up with that hand sign by accident.
shamegame
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He also took out a new insurance policy that would pay double if the building were attacke via airplane-this was done 2 weeks before the attack.
wait a minute...... this huge conspiracy and the guy is wanting to collect more on his insurance? come on, even i can't..........
shamegame
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Yep.The full story is that when his company bought the WTC complex He bought it for about 3.5 billion.A short time after he bought it, he found out that the buildingsall needed to be ripped up and have all kinds of hazzardous materials needed to be removed. I think the total bill for this would have been around 800 million dollars( and probably would have gone way over budget to about 1.2 billion) So, instead of having the buildings brought up to code he simply took out a policy on them that payed out 7 billion dollars if they were destroyed by terrorist attack via airplane. The insurance policy payed out per building- that is why building 7 was also " pulled " via explosives. He has NOT been payed from his insurance company to this day.The matter is still in a European court because his insurancecompany smelled foul play. I hope he gets nothing.
CannaBoss
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Sorry my friend, this sign has been used by the Bohemian Club members since the 1800's( Grandpa Prescot Bush, George Sr. and George Jr. were and are members in the occultic club.)This has nothing to do with rock and roll.
This is also a symbol of the Illuminati( the 13 or so families that control the central banks, and who control the world)
And I believe it was Rodney James Dio who came up with that in the music world. Check this out
Signs of Satan
ozstone
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I stand corrected, My apologies,
I was watching a doco on Metal music the other night and they were talking to Gene Simmons and Ronnie James Dio, it was one of the two who said that this hand signal came about by accident because of the way the guitar player would hold his pick. he would apparently hold his pick with his middle two fingers and when he raised his hand it gave that signal, the Metal Heads at the time embraced it as being a sign of the Devil to which this day it has stuck.
Again apologies for misinformation
dio wanted something other than the peace sign ozzy had been flashing as the prior singer with "black sabbath". got it from his gramma. she knows........
ViRedd
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I'm sorry to be confusing you guys with the facts. Here'sThe U.S. Supreme Court ruling in the 2000 election:
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
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No. 00836
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GEORGE W. BUSH, PETITIONER v. PALM BEACH
COUNTY CANVASSING BOARD ET AL.
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT
[December 4, 2000]PER CURIAM.
The Supreme Court of the State of Florida interpreted its elections statutes in proceedings brought to require manual recounts of ballots, and the certification of the recount results, for votes cast in the quadrennial Presidential election held on November 7, 2000. Governor George W. Bush, Republican candidate for the Presidency,filed a petition for certiorari to review the Florida Supreme Court decision. We granted certiorari on two of thequestions presented by petitioner: whether the decision of the Florida Supreme Court, by effectively changing the States elector appointment procedures after election day,violated the Due Process Clause or 3 U. S. C. §5, andwhether the decision of that court changed the manner in which the States electors are to be elected, in violation of the legislature s power to designate the manner for selection under Art. II, §1, cl. 2 of the United States Constitution.
On November 8, 2000, the day following the Presidential election, the Florida Division of Elections reported that Governor Bush had received 2,909,135 votes, and respondent Democrat Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., had received 2,907,351, a margin of 1,784 in Governor Bush s favor. Under Fla. Stat. §102.141(4) (2000), because the margin of victory was equal to or less than one-half of one percent of the votes cast, an automatic machine recount occurred. The recount resulted in a much smaller margin of victory for Governor Bush. Vice President Gore then exercised his statutory right to submit written requests for manual recounts to the canvassing board of any county. See §102.166. He requested recounts in four counties: Volusia, Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade. The parties urged conflicting interpretations of the Florida Election Code respecting the authority of the canvassing boards, the Secretary of State (hereinafter Secretary), and the Elections Canvassing Commission. On November 14, in an action brought by Volusia County, and joined by the Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, Vice President Gore, and the Florida Democratic Party, the Florida Circuit Court ruled that the statutory 7-day deadline was mandatory, but that the Volusia board could amend its returns at a later date. The court further ruled that the Secretary, after considering all attendant facts and circumstances, could exercise her discretion in deciding whether to include the late amended returns in the statewide certification.
The Secretary responded by issuing a set of criteria by which she would decide whether to allow a late filing. The Secretary ordered that, by 2 p.m. the following day, November 15, any county desiring to forward late returns submit a written statement of the facts and circumstances justifying a later filing. Four counties submitted statements and, after reviewing the submissions, the Secretary determined that none justified an extension of the filing deadline. On November 16, the Florida Democratic Party
and Vice President Gore filed an emergency motion in the state court, arguing that the Secretary had acted arbitrarily
and in contempt of the court s earlier ruling. The following day, the court denied the motion, ruling that the Secretary had not acted arbitrarily and had exercised her discretion in a reasonable manner consistent with the court s earlier ruling. The Democratic Party and Vice President Gore appealed to the First District Court of Appeal, which certified the matter to the Florida Supreme Court. That court accepted jurisdiction and sua sponte entered an order enjoining the Secretary and the Elections Canvassing Commission from finally certifying the results of the election and declaring a winner until further order of that court.
The Supreme Court, with the expedition requisite for the controversy, issued its decision on November 21. Palm Beach County Canvassing Bd. v. Harris, Nos. SC002346, SC002348, and SC002349 (Nov. 21, 2000), App. to Pet. for Cert. 1a. As the court saw the matter, there were two principal questions: whether a discrepancy between an original machine return and a sample manual recount resulting from the way a ballot has been marked or punched is an error in vote tabulation justifying a full manual recount; and how to reconcile what it spoke of as two conflicts in Florida s election laws: (a) between the time frame for conducting a manual recount under Fla. Stat. §102.166 (2000) and the time frame for submitting county returns under §§102.111 and 102.112, and (b) between §102.111, which provides that the Secretary shall . . . ignor[e] late election returns, and §102.112, which provides that she may . . . ignor[e] such returns. With regard to the first issue, the court held that, under the plain text of the statute, a discrepancy between a sample manual recount and machine returns due to the way in which a ballot was punched or marked did constitute an error in vote tabulation sufficient to trigger the statutory provisions for a full manual recount. With regard to the second issue, the court held that the shall . . . ignor[e] provision of §102.111 conflicts with the may . . . ignor[e] provision of §102.112, and that the may . . . ignor[e] provision controlled. The court turned to the questions whether and when the Secretary may ignore late manual recounts. The court relied in part upon the right to vote set forth in the Declaration of Rights of the Florida Constitution in concluding that late manual recounts could be rejected only under limited circumstances.
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
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No. 00836
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GEORGE W. BUSH, PETITIONER v. PALM BEACH
COUNTY CANVASSING BOARD ET AL.
ON WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT
[December 4, 2000]PER CURIAM.
The Supreme Court of the State of Florida interpreted its elections statutes in proceedings brought to require manual recounts of ballots, and the certification of the recount results, for votes cast in the quadrennial Presidential election held on November 7, 2000. Governor George W. Bush, Republican candidate for the Presidency,filed a petition for certiorari to review the Florida Supreme Court decision. We granted certiorari on two of thequestions presented by petitioner: whether the decision of the Florida Supreme Court, by effectively changing the States elector appointment procedures after election day,violated the Due Process Clause or 3 U. S. C. §5, andwhether the decision of that court changed the manner in which the States electors are to be elected, in violation of the legislature s power to designate the manner for selection under Art. II, §1, cl. 2 of the United States Constitution.
On November 8, 2000, the day following the Presidential election, the Florida Division of Elections reported that Governor Bush had received 2,909,135 votes, and respondent Democrat Vice President Albert Gore, Jr., had received 2,907,351, a margin of 1,784 in Governor Bush s favor. Under Fla. Stat. §102.141(4) (2000), because the margin of victory was equal to or less than one-half of one percent of the votes cast, an automatic machine recount occurred. The recount resulted in a much smaller margin of victory for Governor Bush. Vice President Gore then exercised his statutory right to submit written requests for manual recounts to the canvassing board of any county. See §102.166. He requested recounts in four counties: Volusia, Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade. The parties urged conflicting interpretations of the Florida Election Code respecting the authority of the canvassing boards, the Secretary of State (hereinafter Secretary), and the Elections Canvassing Commission. On November 14, in an action brought by Volusia County, and joined by the Palm Beach County Canvassing Board, Vice President Gore, and the Florida Democratic Party, the Florida Circuit Court ruled that the statutory 7-day deadline was mandatory, but that the Volusia board could amend its returns at a later date. The court further ruled that the Secretary, after considering all attendant facts and circumstances, could exercise her discretion in deciding whether to include the late amended returns in the statewide certification.
The Secretary responded by issuing a set of criteria by which she would decide whether to allow a late filing. The Secretary ordered that, by 2 p.m. the following day, November 15, any county desiring to forward late returns submit a written statement of the facts and circumstances justifying a later filing. Four counties submitted statements and, after reviewing the submissions, the Secretary determined that none justified an extension of the filing deadline. On November 16, the Florida Democratic Party
and Vice President Gore filed an emergency motion in the state court, arguing that the Secretary had acted arbitrarily
and in contempt of the court s earlier ruling. The following day, the court denied the motion, ruling that the Secretary had not acted arbitrarily and had exercised her discretion in a reasonable manner consistent with the court s earlier ruling. The Democratic Party and Vice President Gore appealed to the First District Court of Appeal, which certified the matter to the Florida Supreme Court. That court accepted jurisdiction and sua sponte entered an order enjoining the Secretary and the Elections Canvassing Commission from finally certifying the results of the election and declaring a winner until further order of that court.
The Supreme Court, with the expedition requisite for the controversy, issued its decision on November 21. Palm Beach County Canvassing Bd. v. Harris, Nos. SC002346, SC002348, and SC002349 (Nov. 21, 2000), App. to Pet. for Cert. 1a. As the court saw the matter, there were two principal questions: whether a discrepancy between an original machine return and a sample manual recount resulting from the way a ballot has been marked or punched is an error in vote tabulation justifying a full manual recount; and how to reconcile what it spoke of as two conflicts in Florida s election laws: (a) between the time frame for conducting a manual recount under Fla. Stat. §102.166 (2000) and the time frame for submitting county returns under §§102.111 and 102.112, and (b) between §102.111, which provides that the Secretary shall . . . ignor[e] late election returns, and §102.112, which provides that she may . . . ignor[e] such returns. With regard to the first issue, the court held that, under the plain text of the statute, a discrepancy between a sample manual recount and machine returns due to the way in which a ballot was punched or marked did constitute an error in vote tabulation sufficient to trigger the statutory provisions for a full manual recount. With regard to the second issue, the court held that the shall . . . ignor[e] provision of §102.111 conflicts with the may . . . ignor[e] provision of §102.112, and that the may . . . ignor[e] provision controlled. The court turned to the questions whether and when the Secretary may ignore late manual recounts. The court relied in part upon the right to vote set forth in the Declaration of Rights of the Florida Constitution in concluding that late manual recounts could be rejected only under limited circumstances.
ViRedd
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Continued ...
The court then stated: “ecause of our reluctance to rewrite the Florida Election Code, we conclude that we must invoke the equitable powers of this Court to fashion a remedy . . . .” App. to Pet. for Cert. 37a. The court thus imposed a deadline of November 26, at 5 p.m., for a return of ballot counts. The 7-day deadline of §102.111, assuming it would have applied, was effectively extended by 12 days. The court further directed the Secretary to accept manual counts submitted prior to that deadline.
As a general rule, this Court defers to a state court’ s interpretation of a state statute. But in the case of a law enacted by a state legislature applicable not only to elections to state offices, but also to the selection of Presidential electors, the legislature is not acting solely under the authority given it by the people of the State, but by virtue of a direct grant of authority made under Art. II, §1, cl. 2, of the United States Constitution. That provision reads: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress . . . .” Although we did not address the same question petitioner raises here, in McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U. S. 1, 25 (1892), we said: “[Art. II, §1, cl. 2] does not read that the people or the citizens shall appoint, but that ‘ each State shall’ ; and if the words ‘ in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct,’ had been omitted, it would seem that the legislative power of appointment could not have been successfully questioned in the absence of any provision in the state constitution in that regard. Hence the insertion of those words, while operating as a limitation upon the State in respect of any attempt to circumscribe the legislative power, cannot be held to operate as a limitation on that power itself.” There are expressions in the opinion of the Supreme Court of Florida that may be read to indicate that it construed the Florida Election Code without regard to the extent to which the Florida Constitution could, consistent with Art. II, §1, cl. 2, “circumscribe the legislative power.” The opinion states, for example, that “[t]o the extent that the Legislature may enact laws regulating the electoral process, those laws are valid only if they impose no ‘ unreasonable or unnecessary’ restraints on the right of suffrage” guaranteed by the state constitution. The opinion also states that “ecause election laws are intended to facilitate the right of suffrage, such laws must be liberally construed in favor of the citizens’ right to vote . . . .” Ibid. In addition, 3 U. S. C. §5 provides in pertinent part: “If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.”
The parties before us agree that whatever else may be the effect of this section, it creates a “safe harbor” for a State insofar as congressional consideration of its electoral votes is concerned. If the state legislature has provided for final determination of contests or controversies by a law made prior to election day, that determination shall be conclusive if made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors. The Florida Supreme Court cited 3 U. S. C. §§1–10 in a footnote of its opinion, n. 55, but did not discuss §5. Since §5 contains a principle of federal law that would assure finality of the State’ s determination if made pursuant to a state law in effect before the election, a legislative wish to take advantage of the “safe harbor” would counsel against any construction of the Election Code that Congress might deem to be a change in the law. After reviewing the opinion of the Florida Supreme Court, we find “that there is considerable uncertainty as to the precise grounds for the decision.” This is sufficient reason for us to decline at this time to review the federal questions asserted to be present. See ibid. “It is fundamental that state courts be left free and unfettered by us in interpreting their state constitutions. But it is equally important that ambiguous or obscure adjudications by state courts do not stand as barriers to a determination by this Court of the validity under the federal constitution of state action. Intelligent exercise of our appellate powers compels us to ask for the elimination of the obscurities and ambiguities from the opinions in such cases.” Specifically, we are unclear as to the extent to which the Florida Supreme Court saw the Florida Constitution as circumscribing the legislature’ s authority under Art. II, §1, cl. 2. We are also unclear as to the consideration the Florida Supreme Court accorded to 3 U. S. C. §5. The judgment of the Supreme Court of Florida is therefore vacated, and the case is remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion. It is so ordered.
The court then stated: “ecause of our reluctance to rewrite the Florida Election Code, we conclude that we must invoke the equitable powers of this Court to fashion a remedy . . . .” App. to Pet. for Cert. 37a. The court thus imposed a deadline of November 26, at 5 p.m., for a return of ballot counts. The 7-day deadline of §102.111, assuming it would have applied, was effectively extended by 12 days. The court further directed the Secretary to accept manual counts submitted prior to that deadline.
As a general rule, this Court defers to a state court’ s interpretation of a state statute. But in the case of a law enacted by a state legislature applicable not only to elections to state offices, but also to the selection of Presidential electors, the legislature is not acting solely under the authority given it by the people of the State, but by virtue of a direct grant of authority made under Art. II, §1, cl. 2, of the United States Constitution. That provision reads: “Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress . . . .” Although we did not address the same question petitioner raises here, in McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U. S. 1, 25 (1892), we said: “[Art. II, §1, cl. 2] does not read that the people or the citizens shall appoint, but that ‘ each State shall’ ; and if the words ‘ in such manner as the legislature thereof may direct,’ had been omitted, it would seem that the legislative power of appointment could not have been successfully questioned in the absence of any provision in the state constitution in that regard. Hence the insertion of those words, while operating as a limitation upon the State in respect of any attempt to circumscribe the legislative power, cannot be held to operate as a limitation on that power itself.” There are expressions in the opinion of the Supreme Court of Florida that may be read to indicate that it construed the Florida Election Code without regard to the extent to which the Florida Constitution could, consistent with Art. II, §1, cl. 2, “circumscribe the legislative power.” The opinion states, for example, that “[t]o the extent that the Legislature may enact laws regulating the electoral process, those laws are valid only if they impose no ‘ unreasonable or unnecessary’ restraints on the right of suffrage” guaranteed by the state constitution. The opinion also states that “ecause election laws are intended to facilitate the right of suffrage, such laws must be liberally construed in favor of the citizens’ right to vote . . . .” Ibid. In addition, 3 U. S. C. §5 provides in pertinent part: “If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.”
The parties before us agree that whatever else may be the effect of this section, it creates a “safe harbor” for a State insofar as congressional consideration of its electoral votes is concerned. If the state legislature has provided for final determination of contests or controversies by a law made prior to election day, that determination shall be conclusive if made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors. The Florida Supreme Court cited 3 U. S. C. §§1–10 in a footnote of its opinion, n. 55, but did not discuss §5. Since §5 contains a principle of federal law that would assure finality of the State’ s determination if made pursuant to a state law in effect before the election, a legislative wish to take advantage of the “safe harbor” would counsel against any construction of the Election Code that Congress might deem to be a change in the law. After reviewing the opinion of the Florida Supreme Court, we find “that there is considerable uncertainty as to the precise grounds for the decision.” This is sufficient reason for us to decline at this time to review the federal questions asserted to be present. See ibid. “It is fundamental that state courts be left free and unfettered by us in interpreting their state constitutions. But it is equally important that ambiguous or obscure adjudications by state courts do not stand as barriers to a determination by this Court of the validity under the federal constitution of state action. Intelligent exercise of our appellate powers compels us to ask for the elimination of the obscurities and ambiguities from the opinions in such cases.” Specifically, we are unclear as to the extent to which the Florida Supreme Court saw the Florida Constitution as circumscribing the legislature’ s authority under Art. II, §1, cl. 2. We are also unclear as to the consideration the Florida Supreme Court accorded to 3 U. S. C. §5. The judgment of the Supreme Court of Florida is therefore vacated, and the case is remanded for further proceedings not inconsistent with this opinion. It is so ordered.
jacgrass420
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wtf who cares... our govt sucks dick and if i could replace em all with the youngest class in the daycare center down the road... i just MIGHT be able to get some god damn insurance.... i really fucking hate crooked greedy poloticians AND the people that suck their dick everychance they get... no finger pointing 
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suicidesamurai
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Could you offer a decent reason for why they would NEED to take down WTC 7 in the first place? Seems like a bit of overkill.
Also what I don't understand is why people insist the buildings were demoed. Just flying planes into the buildings would be enough for Bush to do whatever he wanted to do with Iraq and the Middle-East. Blowing up the buildings would be far too suspicious. Luckily for Bush (if he did infact have them taken down), there is no REAL evidence there was a demolition.
GrowRebel
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Is this your idea of disputing that Gore won in 2000? It's pretty pathetic .... we all know what the SC ruling was .... what does it have to do with the fact that when all the votes were counted in Florida ........ Gore won .... what does it have to do with the voter supression that took place in Florida? What does it have to do with the crime of illegally purging voters who happen to be black?
Gore won ... that a fact ... deal with it.
Cugine
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This entire arguement is retarded to me but to think Gore would be better than Bush seems silly to me....I'm no tree hugger though.Is this your idea of disputing that Gore won in 2000? It's pretty pathetic .... we all know what the SC ruling was .... what does it have to do with the fact that when all the votes were counted in Florida ........ Gore won .... what does it have to do with the voter supression that took place in Florida? What does it have to do with the crime of illegally purging voters who happen to be black?
Gore won ... that a fact ... deal with it.
ViRedd
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GrowRebel sez ...
Is this your idea of disputing that Gore won in 2000? It's pretty pathetic .... we all know what the SC ruling was .... what does it have to do with the fact that when all the votes were counted in Florida ........ Gore won .... what does it have to do with the voter supression that took place in Florida? What does it have to do with the crime of illegally purging voters who happen to be black? Gore won ... that a fact ... deal with it.
Well, you stated that Bush was "appointed" by the U.S. Supreme Court. I said the U.S. Supreme Court slapped down the unconstitutional actions of the Florida Supreme Court. I offered you proof of my statements, you have not. Where is your proof of voter suppression? Where is your proof of Blacks being disinfranchised? You don't present facts, just DNC talking points. Gore didn't "win" jack, he lost. How many recounts would you have been satisfied with? Five isn't enough? If Blacks were truely omitted from voting the ACLU and NAACP would have been all over it like a cheap suit. Unless you can back up your silly assertions with facts, nuff said.
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Is this your idea of disputing that Gore won in 2000? It's pretty pathetic .... we all know what the SC ruling was .... what does it have to do with the fact that when all the votes were counted in Florida ........ Gore won .... what does it have to do with the voter supression that took place in Florida? What does it have to do with the crime of illegally purging voters who happen to be black? Gore won ... that a fact ... deal with it.
Well, you stated that Bush was "appointed" by the U.S. Supreme Court. I said the U.S. Supreme Court slapped down the unconstitutional actions of the Florida Supreme Court. I offered you proof of my statements, you have not. Where is your proof of voter suppression? Where is your proof of Blacks being disinfranchised? You don't present facts, just DNC talking points. Gore didn't "win" jack, he lost. How many recounts would you have been satisfied with? Five isn't enough? If Blacks were truely omitted from voting the ACLU and NAACP would have been all over it like a cheap suit. Unless you can back up your silly assertions with facts, nuff said.
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GrowRebel
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If you'd bother to check the links I posted you would have seen the proof of voter supression .... but like a true bushies you fail to address the issue.
.... and the state has the right to control it's own elections .... like I said it's the SC doing a favor for the illegitimate bush regime ..... you can cut and past shit up that means nothing to the layman .... but the fact remains Gore won.
.... for those of you who would like to view this illegal decision in layman terms ... Go here
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Q: Is there an exception in this case?
A: Yes, the "Gore exception." States have no rights to control their own state elections when it can result in Gore being elected President. This decision is limited to only this situation.
Q: C'mon. The Supremes didn't really say that. You're exaggerating.
A: Nope. They held "Our consideration is limited to the present circumstances, as the problem of equal protection in election processes generally presents many complexities."
Q: What complexities? A: They didn't say.
It also talks about the counting you keep harping on and state illegitimate bush only won when the ballots were counted the way Gore wanted it ....
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A: Right. But a careful analysis by the Miami Herald shows Gore won Florida by about 23,000 votes (excluding the butterfly ballot errors).
Ignorance is certainly bliss ..... there is nothing retarded about election fraud ... and voter supression .... it means you no longer have a say in government .... but I'm sure something as retarded as having a voice doesn't concern you.
