Hayduke's Seldom Seen Garden

DKskater75

DKskater75

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sweet, thanks. no lol, i never did open up my own seed bank. i still have most of the strains i purchased a few months ago. white widow, bubblecious, blue mystic, aurora indica, mango, afghan mazar, super skunk, power skunk, and of course all the seeds i got in return from my last grow lol. i planted most of my fem seeds that i just had a few of this time around. 2 ak-47, 2 blueberry, 3 strawberry blue, 3 blueberry NL, and 2 more skywalker. ive been spraying them down every night and getting rid of any thrips i see. it really hasnt been much of a problem, kind of just shaking the plants around kills most of them lol. but im sure they would be healthier and probably yield more if there werent any to begin with so ive been trying to find a solution! i may just get some lady bugs whether they will feed on them or not, either way they cant hurt right? plus they look pretty cool lol
 
Hayduke

Hayduke

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So I talked to my friend. DO NOT start to flower until this is under control. If you are seeing them, you probably have a larger problem than you realize (I told him you are only seeing small ones) and at this point using bugs would not be the best answer as they are more for preventing an infestation. An indoor grow is about a perfect environment for a pest (no hurricanes, drought, birds, lizards, welfare fed cattle or oil and gas rigs!) and evidently the thrips smell their way to your garden.

At this point the thing you need to do is use a pyrithium bomb (natural from chrysanthemum ok up to 2nd week flower). Since you are seeing juveniles, you have all stages of life and will need to treat in 3 successive treatments. this can be once a week if moderate problem (as you probably have) or every 3 days if really bad. One can will probably be enough for your veg and flower area for the three treatments (don't set off whole bomb at once). Make sure to spray a little around the outside of the box since it is in a closet. His advice again is to do this and to start immediately. And do not start to flower until you get ahold of this. He has seen commercial growers lose entire crops if these get a foot hold in flower.

Then after a week or two ladybugs will probably take care of any newcomers. Another reason for the 3 treatments is they can develop resistance requireing stronger more toxic solutions. The Praying mantis would also work but I think you have to buy a bunch, and would only want like 1 or 2, and would of course not want ladybugs with these monsters.

There are of course many products to choose from, however despite the higher price this is the product that was recommended for you: note he said "Attain" and that one has a green stripe and the one you want has a goldish-yellowish stripe. so I think this is it:http://www.shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/675201.0/CategoryID/10000.0/SubCatID/1050.0/file.htm

But I will check for sure. this is the other one.


http://www.shamanshop.net/store/proddetail.cfm/ItemID/675342.0/CategoryID/10000.0/SubCatID/1050.0/file.htm

I know nothing of this supplier, so shop around.

This supplier is good this may be product http://www.hydroempire.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/11/products_id/127

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DKskater75

DKskater75

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damn thanks for the info man. this isnt the first time ive had them though, ive seen them around before and usually just shake them off and they dont come back for a few weeks or so. the plants end up with some of the leaves having that shiny kind of look to them but it hasnt really seemed to affect things too dramatically. but like i said, im sure they would yield more with healthier leaves and all so i will for sure check this stuff out.
 
Hayduke

Hayduke

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DKskater75 said:
damn thanks for the info man. this isnt the first time ive had them though, ive seen them around before and usually just shake them off and they dont come back for a few weeks or so. the plants end up with some of the leaves having that shiny kind of look to them but it hasnt really seemed to affect things too dramatically. but like i said, im sure they would yield more with healthier leaves and all so i will for sure check this stuff out.
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I do not know for sure, but it sounds like they are on the rise. I would hate to see you get 5-6 weeks into all those blueberry strains just to have it eaten!

Here is what my bro said last night:"There's a lot of products that are similar but this is what all the good growers in the Bay preferred. for a very small space, I'd recommend not using it as a fogger but spray it until it's all smokey looking and then close off the area. tell your buddy not to spray it directly on any of the leaves. when I use it like a fogger, I put it in a far corner where the stuff won't directly hit my leaves. it messes them up. make sure he pulls off all the leaves that have bugs or look eaten because they'll likely have eggs." (of course anything removed should be disposed of outside)

And the recommended product is the one from hydro empire. Down here we get nest day so maybe 3 days top for you.
http://www.hydroempire.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/11/products_id/127

Good luck.
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DKskater75

DKskater75

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well pretty much all of my leaves have always had a few little spots all over them haha. like i said, theyve been there for awhile but they never seem to do much damage. they dont kill the leaves at all or anything but i guess if they start multiplying they could do a lot more harm. i will get this fogger stuff and use it like he said and then see if i can get a hold of some predators of some sort, thanks!!
 
Hayduke

Hayduke

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DKskater75 said:
that pyrethum says its not safe to use indoors and not safe around humans, animals or plants! so what am i supposed to take all the plants out and then put them back in with bugs still on? that makes no sense. theres another one that i found here http://www.garden.com/item/whitemire-preclude-total-release-insecticide-2-oz/ but it says not registered in CA? what the hell does that mean? its illegal here?
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Yeah DK, I really don't know anything about this, I am just passing along info from someone who has experience with getting rid of garden pests. However I totally trust my friend's advice with growing.

But this is what it says about the pyrethrum at hydro empire:

"Pyrethrum Total Release is one-use aerosol pyrethrum fogger, safe for control of indoor of greenhouse pests. Effective against hundreds of common house and garden pests such as spider mites, whiteflies, aphids, ants, beetles, moths, gnats, houseflies, and spiders. One can covers 3000 square feet. Safe to use up to day of harvest. Make sure all lighting equipment is off and cooled down before fogging.� Leave room and lights off for 12 hours after fogging."
http://www.hydroempire.com/store/product_info.php/cPath/11/products_id/127

My buddy said not to spray on plants, and just to spray a light fog and close up the closet, do not set the bomb off, just spray a little.

All I can really say is good luck!

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Hayduke

Hayduke

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Day 40 flower Red Diesel, Day 27 flower K-Train, day 5? headband.

The 3 Rd phenos are more distinct than ever. #4 will finish probably 2 weeks earlier than her sisters. She is still a little purple with some cloudy Trichs. Her main cola has been separated a little to allow light to get to the inside. It was very dense and the inside of the mass of flowers was not maturing as the outer parts. Probbably start flush on #4 next watering.The difference in the pheno's is amazing. #1 is the most sativa influenced, slowest in flower and the least appealing, but we will see. #3 is very much an indica dominated pheno. She is of similar height as her sisters without being bent and tied down. She is slow to flower but not as slow as #1 even though she started slower. When her main cola is lightly squeezed the resin is incredebly sticky, (would not come off fingers with soap) and the aroma is skunkier than the spicy smell of #4.

K-train is day 27 and probably going to be the strongest smoke. Very frosty with the flowers dominated by white pistils. 1 headband was added last weekend.

Everything in the veg box is out of the #1 nursery pots with the RD veg plants transplanted in 3:1 Coco Coir/perlite. Also no longer using Fox Farm nutes.

Pics: 1-3 are RD #4.
4 is Rd#1
5 is RD#3

Pic 6 is headband and pics 7-10 are K-train (day 27)

Pics 11,12,13 are flower box, veg box, and coco coir

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global3399

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Hayduke said:
Day 40 flower Red Diesel, Day 27 flower K-Train, day 5? headband.

The 3 Rd phenos are more distinct than ever. #4 will finish probably 2 weeks earlier than her sisters. She is still a little purple with some cloudy Trichs. Her main cola has been separated a little to allow light to get to the inside. It was very dense and the inside of the mass of flowers was not maturing as the outer parts. Probbably start flush on #4 next watering.The difference in the pheno's is amazing. #1 is the most sativa influenced, slowest in flower and the least appealing, but we will see. #3 is very much an indica dominated pheno. She is of similar height as her sisters without being bent and tied down. She is slow to flower but not as slow as #1 even though she started slower. When her main cola is lightly squeezed the resin is incredebly sticky, (would not come off fingers with soap) and the aroma is skunkier than the spicy smell of #4.

K-train is day 27 and probably going to be the strongest smoke. Very frosty with the flowers dominated by white pistils. 1 headband was added last weekend.

Everything in the veg box is out of the #1 nursery pots with the RD veg plants transplanted in 3:1 Coco Coir/perlite. Also no longer using Fox Farm nutes.

Pics: 1-3 are RD #4.
4 is Rd#1
5 is RD#3

Pic 6 is headband and pics 7-10 are K-train (day 27)

Pics 11,12,13 are flower box, veg box, and coco coir

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Those look really good bro, but even better in real life :) gotta say, I don't think you could do a better job in that space and I love your custom grow chamber. maybe you can help me rig something cool up for my veg space.

To your bud with the bug problem - the stuff hayduke turned you onto is pretty much the standard for commercial growers and pro level home growers. I've been using it when necessary for many years and feel it's safe and recommend hitting them at least twice a few days apart before flowering with the type of signs that you're seeing. you've been lucky that you've had them for a while but have never really suffered from a bad infestation but I've seen growers loose whole gardens if they really take hold so a little preventative measures now could save you a lot of grief. two doses will cost less than an 1/8th but even a mild investation will reduce your yield much more. Hope it works out well!
 
DKskater75

DKskater75

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why didnt anyone tell me about insecticidal soap?? haha its says on the bottle that it kills thrips!! anyways i sprayed down the plants last night and am only seeing a few around this morning, and the ones that i am are very tiny. so hopefully just a few days of this stuff will get rid of them! gotta get me some new soil so i can start transplanting too. oh yeah plants lookin great as always hay, really starting to take off! is that red diesel purple?? i just figured it would be red haha
 
Hayduke

Hayduke

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global3399 said:
Those look really good bro, but even better in real life :) gotta say, I don't think you could do a better job in that space and I love your custom grow chamber. maybe you can help me rig something cool up for my veg space.

To your bud with the bug problem - the stuff hayduke turned you onto is pretty much the standard for commercial growers and pro level home growers. I've been using it when necessary for many years and feel it's safe and recommend hitting them at least twice a few days apart before flowering with the type of signs that you're seeing. you've been lucky that you've had them for a while but have never really suffered from a bad infestation but I've seen growers loose whole gardens if they really take hold so a little preventative measures now could save you a lot of grief. two doses will cost less than an 1/8th but even a mild investation will reduce your yield much more. Hope it works out well!
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Thanks Global Dude! Thanks for "Virtually" stopping by the garden.

DKskater75 said:
why didnt anyone tell me about insecticidal soap?? haha its says on the bottle that it kills thrips!! anyways i sprayed down the plants last night and am only seeing a few around this morning, and the ones that i am are very tiny. so hopefully just a few days of this stuff will get rid of them! gotta get me some new soil so i can start transplanting too. oh yeah plants lookin great as always hay, really starting to take off! is that red diesel purple?? i just figured it would be red haha
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Thanks DK, yeah Purple Diesel (just on the tips though and only one pheno). Death to your thrips!

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Hayduke said:
Thanks Drifter dude, welcome to my quiet little corner!

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hi hayduke,just a quick ?how much $ did you pay for your knight shade i had a look and they say they had both fem and regular at different prices $29 for fem and $37 for regular what did they charge you,good luck with them :peace:
 
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Hayduke

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drifter1978 said:
hi hayduke,just a quick ?how much $ did you pay for your knight shade i had a look and they say they had both fem and regular at different prices $29 for fem and $37 for regular what did they charge you,good luck with them :peace:
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Yeah when you look at the site and go to the regular, the drop down price menu gives you feminized seeds but with the regular price. We figured it was a typo and ordered the ones with the higher price (10 for 37 GBP) instead of a 10pack of regular we got 2-5 packs of feminized and paid 8 pounds too much.
I am sure they will credit the extra but it ruins my plan for "Night Train" which was going to be K-Train x Night Shade :sad:

It is kinda weird they started charging more for 10 regular than 5 feminized. I believe this strain is a keeper, so I really do not want messed up DNA coding for hermies in later generations of clones.

Flower box is starting to smell up the house a little.

I have bent over the tops on #3 and #4 to slow the tops and let the lower buds get some light. All 3 still very different but all nice. New pics fri or sat late night.

Oh and it only took 7 days 16 hours to get the beans!

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drifter1978

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Hayduke said:
Yeah when you look at the site and go to the regular, the drop down price menu gives you feminized seeds but with the regular price. We figured it was a typo and ordered the ones with the higher price (10 for 37 GBP) instead of a 10pack of regular we got 2-5 packs of feminized and paid 8 pounds too much.
I am sure they will credit the extra but it ruins my plan for "Night Train" which was going to be K-Train x Night Shade :sad:

It is kinda weird they started charging more for 10 regular than 5 feminized. I believe this strain is a keeper, so I really do not want messed up DNA coding for hermies in later generations of clones.

Flower box is starting to smell up the house a little.

I have bent over the tops on #3 and #4 to slow the tops and let the lower buds get some light. All 3 still very different but all nice. New pics fri or sat late night.

Oh and it only took 7 days 16 hours to get the beans!

:leaf::peace::leaf:
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awesome man,yeah shame about the K.S fem .i will give the tude raps for fast delivery.cant wait for the pics:peace:
 
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