Guantanamo bay

wackymack

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President Obama signed a bill to close guantanamo bay with in a year.

By Ed Henry and Barbara Starr
CNN




WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Barack Obama is planning to issue three executive orders Thursday, including one demanding the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay be closed within a year, according to a senior administration official and a congressional aide.
A guard keeps watch from a tower at the military facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.





A second executive order will formally ban torture by requiring the Army field manual be used as the guide for terror interrogations, essentially ending the Bush administration's CIA program of enhanced interrogation methods.
A third executive order, according to the officials, will order a systematic review of detention policies and procedures and a review of all individual cases.
The officials said new White House Counsel Greg Craig was briefing congressional Republicans Wednesday afternoon about the three executive orders.
"We've always said the process would include consultation," the senior administration official said of the closed-door meeting informing Republicans of the moves.
The detention facility at Guantanamo Bay became a lightning rod for critics who charged that the Bush administration had used torture on terror detainees. President George W. Bush and other senior officials repeatedly denied that the U.S. government had used torture to extract intelligence from terror suspects.
Obama's move will set off a fierce legal struggle over where the prison's detainees will go next.
Watch experts debate the Gitmo dilemma »
"The key question is where do you put these terrorists," House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said in a statement issued Wednesday. "Do you bring them inside our borders? Do you release them back into the battlefield?"
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The meeting with Craig did not address how the administration plans to handle Guantanamo detainees, said Rep. Bill Young of Florida, the top Republican on the Defense Appropriations Committee. The executive orders "will leave some wiggle room for the administration," he said.
Young said he has "quite a bit of anxiety" about transferring detainees to United States facilities.
"Number one, they're dangerous," he said. "Secondly, once they become present in the United States, what is their legal status? What is their constitutional status? I worry about that, because I don't want them to have the same constitutional rights that you and I have. They're our enemy."
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He said he asked Craig what the government plans to do with two recently built facilities at Guantanamo, which he said cost $500 million. He said Craig had no answer, but pledged to discuss the issue further.
Young said he suggested reopening Alcatraz, the closed federal prison on an island outside San Francisco, California -- in Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's district.




"Put them in Alcatraz, where supposedly they can't escape from," Young said, but added the suggestion "didn't go over well."

The revelation coincided with a judge's decision on Wednesday to halt the September 11 terrorism cases at the behest of President Obama. On Tuesday, he directed Defense Secretary Robert Gates to ask prosecutors to seek stays for 120 days so terrorism cases at the facility can be reviewed, according to a military official close to the proceedings.E-mail to a friend



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I say right on Obama,we the United States of America are a example to the rest of the world,things are looking up. I my self will most likely be joining the military,it will help for money and help to pay for college.
 

ViRedd

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And hopefully the prisoners will placed into half-way houses right in the middle of Nancy Pelosi and Jack Murtha's districts. :finger:

Vi
 

greenearth5

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Seriously now, Closing GETMO is a hell of a good thing... Keeping it open is a waste of money and these people should be entitled to the same due process as any of our fellow murderers and rapist
 

wackymack

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Seriously now, Closing GETMO is a hell of a good thing... Keeping it open is a waste of money and these people should be entitled to the same due process as any of our fellow murderers and rapist

yes it is a waste of money and it still hurts the cuban govt bc we have us troops in a teratory that im sure the cuban govt would like to have back and maybe expand its urban development,and maybe expand there economy,so forth so on

obama closing it is the start of something great,we will have absolute control over the world again,through peace and examples. we are a nation of leadership and direction
 

medicineman

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I seriously doubt they will be closing the base at Gitmo, just the prison facility. They have a perpetual lease on that property from Cuba and it is a strategic sight for keeping an eye on the Caribbean, and the east coast of S.A. and the interdiction of drugs coming to the USA through that corridor.
 

GrowRebel

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Well of course I'm very happy that this hell hole is going to be closed ... I'm for sending them to live with all the bushwhacked people ... :mrgreen:
:neutral:
 

ViRedd

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Perhaps all of you "Regressives" would rather see them released back into their home country so they can blow up some more American military personnel, which is exactly what a bunch of them did after being released from Gitmo. I mean, like, fuck America, right?

Fucking Obama drones! Have you guys ever considered counseling? :roll:

Vi
 

natrone23

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Perhaps all of you "Regressives" would rather see them released back into their home country so they can blow up some more American military personnel, which is exactly what a bunch of them did after being released from Gitmo. I mean, like, fuck America, right?

Fucking Obama drones! Have you guys ever considered counseling? :roll:

Vi
The thread is about gitmo, I'd be happy with them jailed here, we have worse people in are prisons anyways, adding 200 or 300 is no big thing. I don't think anything that bad was going on down there, but the perception of gitmo wether warranted or not by the public and the rest of the world was not good, and it hurt are standing around the world. If the perception of gitmo hurts americas interests close it down whats the big deal.


Your a moron if you think Obamas just going to let these guys run the streets, there going to be moved to a stateside prison.

Your the drone you old relic:roll:
 

wackymack

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The thread is about gitmo, I'd be happy with them jailed here, we have worse people in are prisons anyways, adding 200 or 300 is no big thing. I don't think anything that bad was going on down there, but the perception of gitmo wether warranted or not by the public and the rest of the world was not good, and it hurt are standing around the world. If the perception of gitmo hurts americas interests close it down whats the big deal.


Your a moron if you think Obamas just going to let these guys run the streets, there going to be moved to a stateside prison.

Your the drone you old relic:roll:

that makes total sense,alot of those fucks will be locked away in side the us. it will be like what now,we have your fucks on our soil,come get them bitches,and if you do...then expect death to your family and friends.

we are the nicest bullies around:peace:
 

tinyTURTLE

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Perhaps all of you "Regressives" would rather see them released back into their home country so they can blow up some more American military personnel, which is exactly what a bunch of them did after being released from Gitmo. I mean, like, fuck America, right?

Fucking Obama drones! Have you guys ever considered counseling? :roll:

Vi
what a narrow view.
and the stories about the released ones are unsubstantiated. but, your narrow view is understandable considering how grossly ill-informed you are about what you are talking about.
http://law.shu.edu/news/guantanamo_report_final_2_08_06.pdf

%80+ of the people there were handed to us by foreign nationals for the bounty that they had.
What was the source of the information used to designate the other 95% as enemy combatants? Pakistan and the Northern Alliance. There is no indication that the U.S. ever verified, or could verify, the information. Factor in how many were seized by bounty hunters and how many were conscripted against their will . The U.S. placed advertisements in both Afghanistan and Pakistan offering large amounts of money to those who turned over "enemy combatants." The report contains this one as an example:
Get wealth and power beyond your dreams....You can receive millions of dollars helping the anti-Taliban forces catch al-Qaida and Taliban murders. This is enough money to take care of your family, your village, your tribe for the rest of your life. Pay for livestock and doctors and school books and housing for all your people.
There is NO definitive proof that anyone has returned to fight the US.
you find some and you get a cookie.
and even if they did, is it at all conceivable that they became militant to get revenge for being held illegally in legal limbo without even the ability to send or receive mail? maybe you should work on your empathy and try to widen the narrow scope of your world vision. Though it seems you clearly derive some enjoyment from your own ignorance, it is disturbing to me nonetheless.

i am not saying that they are all innocent, just that i don't FEAR them any more than i would fear any scrawny, bearded, religious zealot. or any religious zealot for that matter.
 

cheeseysynapse

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This one goes out to my man TINY

Chirst. I guess a link isn't enough....well let me paste it here.........Because its SO DAMN hard to click a link and actually read! Oh, this is from the New York Times Int. edition - the IHT....So, I'm assuming, that makes it kosher as a source....


Try to follow along. LINK - http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/23/mideast/detainee.1-414168.php

Guantánamo detainee resurfaces in terrorist group
By Robert F. Worth
Friday, January 23, 2009
BEIRUT: The emergence of a former Guantánamo Bay detainee as the deputy leader of Al Qaeda's Yemeni branch has underscored the potential complications in carrying out the executive order that President Barack Obama signed that the detention center be shut down within a year.

The militant, Said Ali al-Shihri, is suspected of involvement in a deadly bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Yemen's capital, Sana, in September. He was released to Saudi Arabia in 2007 and passed through a Saudi rehabilitation program for former jihadists before resurfacing with Al Qaeda in Yemen.

His status was announced in an Internet statement by the militant group and was confirmed by a U.S. counterterrorism official. "They're one and the same guy," said the official, who insisted on anonymity because he was discussing an intelligence analysis. "He returned to Saudi Arabia in 2007, but his movements to Yemen remain unclear."

The development came as Republican legislators criticized the plan to close the Guantánamo Bay detention camp in the absence of any measures for dealing with current detainees. But it also helps explain why the new administration wants to move cautiously, taking time to work out a plan to cope with the complications.

Almost half the camp's remaining detainees are Yemenis, and efforts to repatriate them depend in part on the creation of a Yemeni rehabilitation program - financed in part by the United States - similar to the Saudi one. The Saudi government has claimed that no graduate of its program has returned to terrorism.

"The lesson here is: Whoever receives former Guantánamo detainees needs to keep a close eye on them," the U.S. official said.

Although the Pentagon has said that dozens of released Guantánamo detainees have "returned to the fight," its claim is difficult to document and has been met with skepticism. In any case, few of the former detainees, if any, are thought to have joined the leadership of a major terrorist organization like Al Qaeda in Yemen, a mostly homegrown group that experts say has been reinforced lately by an infusion of foreign fighters.

Long considered a haven for jihadists, Yemen, a desperately poor country in the southern corner of the Arabian Peninsula, has witnessed a rising number of deadly attacks over the past year. U.S. officials say they suspect that Shihri may have been involved in the double car bombings outside the U.S. Embassy in Sana on Sept. 16 that killed 16 people, including six of the attackers.

In the Internet statement, Al Qaeda in Yemen identified its new deputy leader as Abu Sayyaf al-Shihri, saying he returned from Guantánamo to his native Saudi Arabia and then traveled to neighboring Yemen "more than 10 months ago." That corresponds roughly to the return of Shihri, a Saudi who was released from Guantánamo in November 2007.

"Abu Sayyaf" is a nom de guerre, commonly used among jihadists in place of their real name or first name.

A Saudi security official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said that Shihri had disappeared from his home in Saudi Arabia last year after finishing the rehabilitation program.

A Yemeni journalist who interviewed Al Qaeda's leaders in Yemen last year, Abdulela Shaya, confirmed Thursday that the deputy leader was indeed Shihri, the former Guantánamo detainee. Shaya, in a telephone interview, said Shihri had described to him his journey from Cuba to Yemen and supplied his Guantánamo detention number, 372. That is the correct number, Pentagon documents show.

"It seems certain from all the sources we have that this is the same individual who was released from Guantánamo in 2007," said Gregory Johnsen, a terrorism analyst and the editor of a forthcoming book, "Islam and Insurgency in Yemen."

Shihri, 35, trained in urban warfare tactics at a camp north of Kabul, Afghanistan, according to documents released by the Pentagon as part of his Guantánamo dossier. Two weeks after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, he traveled to Afghanistan via Bahrain and Pakistan, and later he told American investigators that his intention was to do relief work, the documents say. He was wounded in an airstrike and spent a month and a half recovering in a hospital in Pakistan.

The documents state that Shihri met with a group of "extremists" in Iran and helped them get into Afghanistan. They also say he was accused of trying to arrange the assassination of a writer, in accordance with a fatwa, or religious order, issued by an extremist cleric.

However, under a heading describing reasons for Shihri's possible release from Guantánamo, the documents say he claimed that he traveled to Iran "to purchase carpets for his store in Riyadh." They also say that he denied any knowledge of terrorists or association with any, and that he "related that if released, he would like to return to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, wherein he would reunite with his family."

"The detainee stated he would attempt to work at his family's furniture store if it is still in business," the documents said.

Eric Schmitt contributed reporting from Washington, Khalid al-Hammadi from Sana and Muhammad al-Milfy from Beirut.
 
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