Why the Black Album Sucked............

Louis541

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So he shaved in 96, yet they thought he looked like a terrorist in 2007? Good deduction, watson.
 

kingtrip

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I don't believe I ever stated a real preference to which Metallica I actually liked. The old stuff is classic and reigns supreme over any of their new shit...yes.

And I can sympathize with the feelings of resentment for Metallica becoming mainstream and more commercial, because if some of my favorite Hip-Hop artists did that, I would feel the same way.

I guess the point I'm trying to make, is that just because they have tried to reinvent themselves on more recent albums, I don't automatically assume that it's for the money and nothing else.

One of my favorite Hip-Hop duos, Atmosphere, they have a different kind of sound on the new albums they put out every time, but I don't believe they do it for the money, I believe they do it so as not to limit themselves and sound montonous and boring.

That's how I see it in Metallica too. It may not neccessarily sound great. It could sound like complete and utter shit, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that they change the sound just to piss off the fans and worry about the next paycheck.

It's not like I don't get where you're coming from...but I need to reiterate that I never had a preference to which Metallica I liked...I'm not much of a metal head, so I only know the mainstream Metal stuff...

This is one of those topics that strikes a nerve with everyone...

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Now playing: Metallica - Whiplash via FoxyTunes
 

Lord Bluntmasta

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And I can sympathize with the feelings of resentment for Metallica becoming mainstream and more commercial, because if some of my favorite Hip-Hop artists did that, I would feel the same way.

I guess the point I'm trying to make, is that just because they have tried to reinvent themselves on more recent albums, I don't automatically assume that it's for the money and nothing else.

One of my favorite Hip-Hop duos, Atmosphere, they have a different kind of sound on the new albums they put out every time, but I don't believe they do it for the money, I believe they do it so as not to limit themselves and sound montonous and boring.

That's how I see it in Metallica too. It may not neccessarily sound great. It could sound like complete and utter shit, but I can't wrap my head around the fact that they change the sound just to piss off the fans and worry about the next paycheck.

It's not like I don't get where you're coming from...but I need to reiterate that I never had a preference to which Metallica I liked...I'm not much of a metal head, so I only know the mainstream Metal stuff...

This is one of those topics that strikes a nerve with everyone...
Na man, this is the thing that really gets me on Metallica. They were the KINGS - the most popular of the "big 4" thrash bands at the time. Then they made the black album, which as I've said isn't a bad album and I don't mind it, however they enjoyed huge commercial success outside of metal. So they keep making albums that enjoy commercial success outside of metal. Then they get to a point where they want to go heavy again. Get "back to the metal". I think ok, I don't blame you guys. Then they make the musical atrocity that is St. Anger. So they all apologize and say no, no, no, we'll do it this time. Then they release Death Magnetic, which really is their best album since ...and justice for all, I'll give them that. However the production is bad. Also, it sounds like Metallica trying to play 80s metallica, and kind of pulling it off, not Metallica just being Metallica and sounding good, because they aren't that band anymore. Thats just how I feel.

I don't think age really has anything to do with it. There are many many thrash bands that didn't enjoy the success that metallica had in the 80s but are still around, releasing albums (Kreator, Sodom, Slayer, Megadeth) that are on par with their early work. Personally, I think the only people who are really still interested in playing metal in metallica are James Hetfield and maybe Rob Trujillo. I think that because of interviews I've read with Hammet and where he wants to go with his music or whatever. As for Lars, I think that because he's somehow gotten worse since the AJFA. So I think he doesn't practice or something.
 

kingtrip

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Na man, this is the thing that really gets me on Metallica. They were the KINGS - the most popular of the "big 4" thrash bands at the time. Then they made the black album, which as I've said isn't a bad album and I don't mind it, however they enjoyed huge commercial success outside of metal. So they keep making albums that enjoy commercial success outside of metal. Then they get to a point where they want to go heavy again. Get "back to the metal". I think ok, I don't blame you guys. Then they make the musical atrocity that is St. Anger. So they all apologize and say no, no, no, we'll do it this time. Then they release Death Magnetic, which really is their best album since ...and justice for all, I'll give them that. However the production is bad. Also, it sounds like Metallica trying to play 80s metallica, and kind of pulling it off, not Metallica just being Metallica and sounding good, because they aren't that band anymore. Thats just how I feel.

I don't think age really has anything to do with it. There are many many thrash bands that didn't enjoy the success that metallica had in the 80s but are still around, releasing albums (Kreator, Sodom, Slayer, Megadeth) that are on par with their early work. Personally, I think the only people who are really still interested in playing metal in metallica are James Hetfield and maybe Rob Trujillo. I think that because of interviews I've read with Hammet and where he wants to go with his music or whatever. As for Lars, I think that because he's somehow gotten worse since the AJFA. So I think he doesn't practice or something.
I got ya bro...I see what ya mean.

And I agree with you about Hammett -- He's always seemed like the odd man out when it came to the more recent sound of Metallica.

And I know exactly what you mean about Hetfield and Trujillo. They seem to be like the only two that like hang out together any more. I saw those two coming out of some place on Bourbon Street (in the Rainbow section at that...:o) together when they were down here about two months ago for a concert and I was wondering where Ulrich and Hammett were.

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