The Coming Economic Collapse... Fact or Fiction? You Decide!

medicineman

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This forum is turning into a right wing blogosphere. I guess the loudest voices are always the Nazi types, Like Rush and Levin. The majority of the little people have spoken in this last election. You right wing nutbags are put on notice. We will not tolerate your hateful rhetoric any longer These forums are the only place where you can get together and spout off about liberals and commies etc. Face it, if us intelligent "liberals" left, it would be a lot less attractive for you right wing wonks to come here and just suck each others asses. As much as you decry you'd like the likes of us to leave, the facts are, it would be extremely boring.
 

undertheice

Well-Known Member
This forum is turning into a right wing blogosphere. I guess the loudest voices are always the Nazi types, Like Rush and Levin. The majority of the little people have spoken in this last election. You right wing nutbags are put on notice. We will not tolerate your hateful rhetoric any longer .....
once again you've reverted to the totalitarian rhetoric of the liberal establishment. the way you charge others with "hateful rhetoric" while notifying them they will not be tolerated is the epitome of liberal hypocrisy. you might as well get used to this country expressing a more conservative tone, as our government introduces more and more feel good programs to waste the public's money and shows the true authoritarianism of their socialistic agenda.

the masses may be ignorant, but the individuals within it value their liberty and are even now waking up to the fact that that liberty is more valuable than the false promises of a brave new world. there is too much information available for the majority to ignore, sheer emotionalism and partisan hatred can't carry the failures of liberal policies forever. just as the nationalistic zeal that followed 9/11/01 eventually ebbed, this nation's self-loathing will as well and the pendulum will swing toward stability once again.

this is the land of the malcontent, born of frustrated servants and strengthened by over two centuries of the belief in the power of the individual. the creeping tide of socialistic totalitarianism won't be tolerated by such malcontents. of course the poor will revolt, their envy of others' wealth is natural and they will always demand their alms. of course the rich will attempt to take advantage of their station, their greed is equally natural and tempered only by occasional fits of charity. it's a balancing act and success can only be determined by the survival of our ideals.
 

medicineman

New Member
once again you've reverted to the totalitarian rhetoric of the liberal establishment. the way you charge others with "hateful rhetoric" while notifying them they will not be tolerated is the epitome of liberal hypocrisy. you might as well get used to this country expressing a more conservative tone, as our government introduces more and more feel good programs to waste the public's money and shows the true authoritarianism of their socialistic agenda.

the masses may be ignorant, but the individuals within it value their liberty and are even now waking up to the fact that that liberty is more valuable than the false promises of a brave new world. there is too much information available for the majority to ignore, sheer emotionalism and partisan hatred can't carry the failures of liberal policies forever. just as the nationalistic zeal that followed 9/11/01 eventually ebbed, this nation's self-loathing will as well and the pendulum will swing toward stability once again.

this is the land of the malcontent, born of frustrated servants and strengthened by over two centuries of the belief in the power of the individual. the creeping tide of socialistic totalitarianism won't be tolerated by such malcontents. of course the poor will revolt, their envy of others' wealth is natural and they will always demand their alms. of course the rich will attempt to take advantage of their station, their greed is equally natural and tempered only by occasional fits of charity. it's a balancing act and success can only be determined by the survival of our ideals.
Jesus Christ man, can't you wait for all these liberal programs to fail before you start with the right wing nonsense. Typical hate rhetoric. I'll bet you're one of those nut jobs that see a terrorist behind every tree, hell yeah, we need more military spending and less health care spending. what a pile of crap. To you nutcases, the "Masses" are just that, a word. No acceptance of them as real people with needs and cares, fuck them, they are causing you pain in the wallet. All they want is more government cheeze. I find thinkers like you to be extremely ignorant of the humanity equation. After all, we're just part of the ignorant "masses".
 

Johnnyorganic

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This forum is turning into a right wing blogosphere. I guess the loudest voices are always the Nazi types, Like Rush and Levin. The majority of the little people have spoken in this last election. You right wing nutbags are put on notice. We will not tolerate your hateful rhetoric any longer These forums are the only place where you can get together and spout off about liberals and commies etc. Face it, if us intelligent "liberals" left, it would be a lot less attractive for you right wing wonks to come here and just suck each others asses. As much as you decry you'd like the likes of us to leave, the facts are, it would be extremely boring.
Would you like some free Government cheese with your whine, Med?

Are you bitter because the 47% of Americans who did not vote for the Chosen One did not subsequently vaporize after the inauguration?

Your guy won. Congratulations. Now those formerly in control are the minor party, the back-benchers. Now they get to obstruct and criticize every aspect of every initiative of the majority party. Get used to it, Med. You have at least two years where your party runs the show.

When you ride the tiger, you go where it wants to go.

Personally, I love it. I did not vote for either so I'll remain in the loyal opposition where I have been for so long.

I don't recall saying Liberals should leave this forum. Do you have examples of other members saying this?

And hateful rhetoric? Med, you are the Liberace of hateful rhetoric.
 

Roseman

Elite Rolling Society
Medicineman,
I am surprised, as many times as I have seen you post about someone showing up and posting just to piss on a thread, and then now here you are, just a whizzing!
and to what purpose? To spread good cheer?

 

medicineman

New Member
Would you like some free Government cheese with your whine, Med? No thanks

Are you bitter because the 47% of Americans who did not vote for the Chosen One did not subsequently vaporize after the inauguration? Why yes, that would have been nice

Your guy won. Congratulations. Now those formerly in control are the minor party, the back-benchers. Now they get to obstruct and criticize every aspect of every initiative of the majority party. Get used to it, Med. You have at least two years where your party runs the show. Thank God, now if we could just get those lousy repuke holdouts to go along

When you ride the tiger, you go where it wants to go.

Personally, I love it. I did not vote for either so I'll remain in the loyal opposition where I have been for so long. No vote no voice.

I don't recall saying Liberals should leave this forum. Do you have examples of other members saying this?

And hateful rhetoric? Med, you are the Liberace of hateful rhetoric.
And what a sweet tune I play

Geeze thanks Johnny. It's been way too long since you gave me a good thrashing. Feel better now? BTW how does one sit on the sidelines and bitch about everyone. I think I remember you sticking up for some of the Bush policies, NO? Anyway thanks again for your "unbiased" Bias, Your friend Med.
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medicineman

New Member
Medicineman,
I am surprised, as many times as I have seen you post about someone showing up and posting just to piss on a thread, and then now here you are, just a whizzing!
and to what purpose? To spread good cheer?

Why yes, so glad you asked. I'm sure that by now you realize I am not all that serious about this forum. I'll admit, there are a few assholes that torque my jaw, but usually I thrash on them and let it go. As you've probably seen, I take as many thrashings as I give, so mellow out. No harm no foul, whizz-whizz.
 

Johnnyorganic

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Geeze thanks Johnny. It's been way too long since you gave me a good thrashing. Feel better now? BTW how does one sit on the sidelines and bitch about everyone. I think I remember you sticking up for some of the Bush policies, NO? Anyway thanks again for your "unbiased" Bias, Your friend Med.
Believe it or not, I am your friend, Med. I would be honored to have you listed as a friend in my profile.

I expect candor and brutal honesty from my friends. I offer the same.

I am biased. I am always biased in favor of freedom and liberty. Never claimed to be otherwise.

I supported Bush on some issues, it is true. But I can also remember offering blistering critiques of Dubya. I even called him the dreaded 'L-word" more than once.

Your friend, JohnnyO.
 

medicineman

New Member
Believe it or not, I am your friend, Med. I would be honored to have you listed as a friend in my profile.

I expect candor and brutal honesty from my friends. I offer the same.

I am biased. I am always biased in favor of freedom and liberty. Never claimed to be otherwise.

I supported Bush on some issues, it is true. But I can also remember offering blistering critiques of Dubya. I even called him the dreaded 'L-word" more than once.

Your friend, JohnnyO.
Thanks. I really wish you could see more good in liberalism. Afterall, it is mostly about repairing the human dillema. I realize it takes money away from things like military spending and government contracts for the well connected and directs funds to actually helping people. What's not to like, unless you're one of the connected?. It takes X amount of dollars to run a country. All I am suggesting is that the government has their priorities wrong. Help people, not elites and corporations. For what we spend on the military (Which everyone knows protects the corporate raiders in foriegn lands), we could send every kid to grad school and have medical for every citizen, good profit free medical. Just what is wrong with these tenets? The liberal moniker has gotten a bad rap.
 

undertheice

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Jesus Christ man, can't you wait for all these liberal programs to fail before you start with the right wing nonsense. Typical hate rhetoric.
the failure of the welfare state is a foregone conclusion, it cannot sustain itself and serves only to prop up the ever-growing bureaucracy. while it does temporarily ease some poverty, it creates the dependent class the it claims to want to obliterate.

To you nutcases, the "Masses" are just that, a word. No acceptance of them as real people with needs and cares, fuck them, they are causing you pain in the wallet. All they want is more government cheeze. I find thinkers like you to be extremely ignorant of the humanity equation. After all, we're just part of the ignorant "masses".
don't be a fool, i am a part of the masses. i'm blue-collar to the core and what little i have is the product of my own effort and a bit of luck. of course there is a certain part of the population that only wants a handout and, yes, i spit on such indolent louts. i'm also quite aware that not all of the indigent fall into that category and deserve to be treated with respect and given every advantage to create a better life for themselves. i just don't see that government is capable of rectifying their situation in an equitable manner, i can't see that the bureaucracy even wants to make the attempt. each new do-nothing social program is designed only to endear a select group of political animals to a block of voters and allow them to gain more power. the future is ignored, our path is unimportant compared to their greed for political power.

i'm getting a bit tired of being lumped into some imaginary upper-class scheme by fake liberal posers. their oh so compassionate rantings always seem to ignore the fact that the liberty of one is dependent on the liberty of the whole, equating wealth with liberty as if any amount of riches could make up for a lack of self-determination. i have always made my agenda quite plain, that the rights guaranteed to us by our founding fathers should be afforded to all of us equally. those rights did not include the right to the wealth garnered by the effort of others and they included no penalty for success. their ideology extolled the virtues of the individual and demanded only that we be willing to pay for our own mistakes.
 

FLoJo

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why does it have to be liberals and conservatives? there is no difference, its all a big puppet show.. both sides waste money, both sides increase the size of government, both sides tax the shit out of us, both sides take away our freedoms and destroy our constitution.. its not about liberals and democrats, its about AMERICA!!! if the liberals or democrats take away our guns, rip up our constitution, and put us in work camps.. does it really fucking matter? we need to wake up, put our difference aside, and quit fighting eachother, but rather the motherfuckers who are in office sending us up shit creek without a fucking paddle and all our limbs cut off

FLo
 

HotNSexyMILF

Well-Known Member
Mmm hm Flo.. we've been had.. it's just a horse and pony show to distract everyone from reality..

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can ‘throw the rascals out’ at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy."
~Carroll Quigley.. professor at Georgestown University and Bill Clinton's mentor..
 

undertheice

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why does it have to be liberals and conservatives? there is no difference, its all a big puppet show..
don't confuse liberals and conservatives with republicans and democrats. though i agree that the two parties are all about dominating their constituents to increase their own power, the philosophies of conservatism and liberalism are a part of the people themselves and determine the path this country will take to our future.

the liberal philosophy of the new left has dominated politics for most of the last century, even during the most nationalistic days of the cold war. the concept that the state's job is to force change on society through its massive bureaucracy has created our nearly opaque government and entrenched an unwieldy welfare state. these concepts are contrary to the spirit of our constitution, but are seen as necessary by a public brainwashed by the propaganda of those in power. the media, complicit in nearly every step of the process, has convinced us that we are incapable navigating the complexities of the modern world and the legal profession has conspired to make that fantasy a reality.

conservatism tends to take a more patient, somewhat evolutionary view of progress. its adherents contend that minimal interference from government and the power of consumers in a free marketplace exert enough pressure to push society onto the desired path. the liberty of the individual and the power of personal choice are of paramount importance to modern conservatism, instead of the liberal view that such power is best wielded by the state.

though these definitions are simplified, they make quite plain why the two philosophies cannot coexist. both the state and the individual cannot be in control, that is the lie of the ballot box and it proves itself false each election cycle.
 

Bongulator

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Ameros being shipped to China? Well, if you have THAT information, then surely you have a picture of the Amero from a reputable news site? Because if not, then you're blowing farts out of your mouth and nothing more. Conspiracy theory, yay.

The 'hands-off' small-government free-market-knows-best approach that McCain advocated is the same approach we used all eight years of the Bush presidency. How'd that work out? Everything fine now? Ironically, everything *is* fine for me, because I knew that'd never work. When the regulators are MIA, the free market rapes the unwary. If you had a retirement account that's worth a whole lot less, you were one of the unwary who got raped when the regulators were taking a break the last eight years.

Bush left us in an interesting position: how do we NOT nationalize the banks? If we buy stocks with taxpayer money, we'd have to buy so much that we'd own the company. Republicans cannot stomach that idea (although it worked wonderfully for Sweden a decade ago and made their taxpayers gobs of profit). So, their alternative is this: GIVE the banks endless gobs of money until the banks say they're full. Their alternative to the Democrat plan to plug our economic production gap? Tax cuts. Same old same old. If you liked the outcome of the last eight years, then the Republican plan is to emulate those eight years all over again. (Except this time instead of starting with the budget surplus that Clinton bestowed on Bush, we'll be starting with the ginormous debt that Bush bestowed on Obama.)

We need New Deal 2.0. This package they're working on now is just too small. We need something BIG, like World War 2 sized (or even bigger), to fill our production gap and keep the economy afloat until recovery kicks in. The original New Deal worked just great. By 1937, unemployment had dropped from 25% to 10%. People say that it was WWII that really brought us out of the Depression, but that's just part of the truth. What happened was, budget hawks convinced FDR that the economy had recovered enough and we needed to start paying down the national debt, by cutting back on government spending and by raising taxes. That induced another (lesser) recession that started in 1937. Had FDR not caved to the budget hawks, we would have been sitting rosy when WWII began. Instead, WWII became the government spending program that brought us out of the second 'bounce' recession.

A tax cut now is basically taking our grandkids' credit cards and maxing them out with cash advances, then putting that money in OUR wallets. That not only sucks, it seems immoral. I'd much rather use the money to buy things that our grandkids will actually HAVE when they're adults: a revamped electric grid, buttloads of clean alternative energy sources, an improved transit system, better schools, etc, etc. You know, TANGIBLE goods, things that will benefit their lives for decades to come. We're still reaping the rewards of the New Deal today. That's the kind of thing we need to do now too.

Either way, I'll be okay. I thrive during crises, and this one is no different. But I have empathy for others, and when I see so many people hurting, well, that bothers me. If Obama lets Republican budget hawks wreck any chance we have for a recovery within the next decade, then I will be disappointed in him. He needs to think big and act boldly. If he has to muscle the Republicans aside for the sake of the country, so be it.
 

misshestermoffitt

New Member
We need to start buy cutting DC, cut their pay, cut down their jobs, make them hourly employees and have them punch time cards.

Let's get rid of those expense accounts, they want to eat, dollar menu at McDonalds is good enough. Let's get rid of those limos. Make them all drive Smart cars. How about those first class plane fairs and hotel suites? Coach gets to the gate just as quickly and they can stay in a regular room (somewhere with a free continential breakfast, see there's another meal we can cut out).

I'm tired of them playing "prince and princess" on my dime.
 

max420thc

Well-Known Member
get REAL msmoffitt..you are going to ask a theif to cut his own pay?
dont you remember when everyone wanted term limits.no way these people are going to vote themselfs out of a dollar and a job..it would be like standing at a slop trough with a bunch of pigs yelling at the top of your lungs for hours at the pigs to stop eating..of course they are not going to stop eating. they are pigs.the only way to get them to stop eating is to start shooting them.:leaf:
 
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