Anyone listen to real music?

[edux10]

its all about what mood you are in. There are times when you need something mellow to chill out to and smoke. Metal sounds good when you are drunk off cheap beer. Rap is something more upbeat to smoke too, all good at different times, and different mind states.

maybe something happend to you and a ballad or a song with a story can relate really well to your situation. Another person may have nothing whatsoever in common with it. I think if you are not ignroant than you should listen to everything but there are bands and groups out there that are just put together to make a buck off stupid kids. That is the only type of music that I don't concider "real music" but those kind of bands never stay around and are lucky if they become one hit wonders. True talent always shines and real muscians get paid what they work for unless they die.

 

[Brick Top]

I think everyone that's saying the guitar solo is dead, great guitarists are no more (or at least less common) now, etc. etc. (I'm stoned, I don't remember their sns, i don't feel like going back and quoting, this is my summary. lol)

...(and that wasn't a complete sentence. but that's okay )

There are plenty of good no-name bands w/good no-name artists.

Like I said I think there has been something of an evolution of music and the strong powerful hard charging guitar solo is not as much of most newer songs/bands as it was in the past and that in part explains why we don’t hear great guitar solos like we did in the past.
My ex-neighbor was from Boston and he had been in several bands there and formed one here and he was like 20-years or so younger than me and his bands always played much newer stuff than I normally listen to. They wrote a few songs of their own, not all that great, and covered other bands songs but most of what they played was almost like two rhythm guitars. They were loud and bold, more so than normal rhythm guitars are but still it was a lot of chords and not much if any fancy finger work.
If you google using key words like best guitar solos you see lists mostly made up of the same people and sometimes songs and they are people/songs like "Stairway to Heaven" - Jimmy Page, "Eruption" - Eddie Van Halen, "Freebird" - Collins/Rossington, "Comfortably Numb" - David Gilmour, "All Along the Watchtower" - Jimi Hendrix, "November Rain" – Slash, "One" - Kirk Hammet, "Hotel California" - Don Felder/Joe Walsh, "Crazy Train" - Randy Rhoads, "Crossroads" - Eric Clapton, "Voodoo Chile" - Jimi Hendrix, "Johnny B. Goode" - Chuck Berry, "Texas Flood" - Stevie Ray Vaughan, "Layla" - Clapton/D. Allman, "Floods" - Dimebag Darrel, "Heartbreaker" - Jimmy Page, "Cliffs of Dover" - Eric Johnson, "Little Wing" - Jimi Hendrix, "Highway Star" - Ritchie Blackmore, "Bohemian Rhapsody" - Brian May, "Time" - David Gilmour – "Sultans of Swing" - Mark Knopfler, and so on.
Most groups/songs are from the 60’s and 70’s and of those that are later most are not all that new, like still around 25 or more years old and of the few newer than that the bands were around a while before getting a hit with a great guitar solo and aren’t new or newer bands. It is almost impossible to find anyone on the various lists that were formed in the 90’s or later so you are now looking at 19 or more years since a top rated guitar solo has come out from a new/newer band. Older groups that are still playing and writing new music instead of just playing reunion tours of their old stuff will add something to the lists now and then but you just don’t see the new/newer bands cracking the lists.
So as I said I think it is in part a case of the evolution of music but also I really do think there just are not as many great guitarists in new/newer bands.
The 60’s and the 70’s of rock music was in a way much like the 70’s in boxing when there were a number of really great heavyweight boxers that if they were spread out over different eras each one could have been dominate but there could only be one champ at a time and for many years it was Muhammad Ali and even when he was not the champ he still got most of the attention so the others just did not seem as good as they really were.
Rock music was flooded with really great guitarists back then and that just is not the case today. Again to return to the lists of great guitar solos if you look at a number of them, which will vary in ratings/rankings somewhat since it is opinion, it is subjective, still you will find that almost every band that hit it big has at least one song on a list of greatest guitar solos of all time. Not all of them but most of them.
You don’t find Beatles songs listed but for the most part that wasn’t their style. About the only Rolling Stones song you find on any lists is "Sympathy for the Devil" so again for the most part it wasn’t their style of music but it was the style for most bands of the past but it hasn’t been the case for a number of years now.
Maybe tomorrow or next month or next year some new/newer band will crack the charts of best guitar solos so it is not as if it is impossible but the way most new songs are written they just don’t rely on a hard charging screaming lead guitar solo or even a strong lead guitarist without a incendiary solo.
I think that also causes fewer kids to aspire to be the next Jimmy Page or Jeff Beck or Eddie Van Halen. They mainly listen to new/newer music and say I want to be like this guy or that guy and those guys are not guys like Ted Nugent or Randy Rhoads.
Now and then groups of the younger generations will get turned onto older music. I have three nieces and a few years back they were all in college and one time when they were all home for Christmas and we were talking my brother in law, their father, asked them what was up at college, what was new and my middle aged niece got all excited and told us about the "new group" she and all her friends were really into. It was Led Zeppelin. Of course she meant "new group" as in new to them but what happened is one of them heard some Zeppelin songs and turned on a few friends and all of a sudden it spread through N.C. State like wildfire and was the hot thing instead of the new/newer music they normally listened to.
The one thing I can say about music is that regardless of what type or style it is the greats always remain great and like bell bottoms or miniskirts they seem to die out now and then but then you look around one day and they’re back and they’re all the rage. Good is good and it always remains good. It may not always be popular but it remains good and will resurface eventually among a younger generation and become popular again.
The greats don’t age, they remain timeless but they will go dormant now and then but like a seed in the ground when the conditions are right, no matter how long it takes, they sprout and people sit up and take notice even if the song or songs were from when their parents or maybe even grandparents were young.

 

[CrackerJax]

If you turn on the radio, you have lost most of your options to listen to good music. by the way, that has never really changed....radio has sucked for a very long long time. Remember when the Archies dominated the radio play? I rest my case...

Of course Rap was started commercially by one of the whitest people on the Planet, Deborah Harry... makes sense huh?


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[Brick Top]

i HATE country music so much it is not even funny

I am anything but a fan of country music but after having lived in the South for almost 22-years now I have been subjected to a good deal of it and have found that there are a few good artists/songs that even people like me who love Black Sabbath and Ozzy and Lynyrd Skynyrd and Led Zeppelin and bands like that can enjoy. They are select songs from the many the country musicians write/play over their careers but they can still get you going.
Dwight Yoakam has a few songs that are pretty good, songs like "Fast as You" and "Little Sister." Hank Williams Jr. has a couple that are pretty decent. Marty Stuart and Travis Tritt teamed up to do a pretty decent song "Honky Tonkin’s What I Do Best" and Travis Tritt’s "T-R-O-U-B-L-E" and a couple others aren’t bad at all.
Not all country songs are she broke my heart so I broke her jaw sort of songs.
I don’t bar hop anymore but when I first moved down here I did and even at places that were mainly rock you would almost always hear one song at least once, normally very late when it was getting near closing time and everyone was drunk as sailors on shore leave. That was David Alan Coe’s "You Never Even Called Me By My Name." It is not anything close to being rock or even a fast country song like the others I mentioned but it gets people going for some reason, even rockers. Its also funny thanks to the last verse so that makes people like it too but for some reason it gets drunk and stoned rockers going even though it sounds VERY country.
I very seldom listen to the songs I listed, though I do have them on my Windows Media Player, but there are just times when they really work.
I prefer to listen to Bow Wow Wow or Billy Idol or better yet Black Sabbath or Lynyrd Skynyrd or something but the others do have their times and they really aren’t at all bad if you give them a chance.

 

[CrackerJax]

the only good country is the old country IMO.... Hank Williams Sr., not Jr. I could listen to patsy Cline all day....


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[Brick Top]

If you turn on the radio, you have lost most of your options to listen to good music. by the way, that has never really changed....radio has sucked for a very long long time. Remember when the Archies dominated the radio play? I rest my case...

Of course Rap was started commercially by one of the whitest people on the Planet, Deborah Harry... makes sense huh?


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I will agree that radio has changed and it has changed for the worst. When I was in high school and younger there were some really great FM channels that had very few commercials and would play a bunch of songs in a row and then some low voiced smooth as honey sounding DJ would just say that was … and then the music would start again and the best part was it was always a mix of different things. Most stations, even rock stations, are basically top hit stations. You may hear Black Sabbath or Ozzy or other great bands but they will only play their biggest hits. I can’t remember the last time I heard "Fairies Wear Boots" or "Mr. Crowley" on the radio but I will hear "Black Sabbath" and "Paranoid" and "Crazy Train" and "No More Tears" etc. often.
Just think about how often you will hear "Freebird" or "Sweet Home Alabama" or "Gimmie Three Steps" but when was the last time you heard "The Needle and the Spoon?"
When was the last time any of you heard Jeff Beck’s "Constipated Duck" or "Cause We Ended as Lovers" or "Freeway Jam?" I’d bet some of you have never heard any of them on the radio.
Radio became to commercialized and to profit oriented and to much under the power or control of their sponsors to play many songs that were good songs and to give us a mix of songs from different bands and instead are top hit stations regardless of what they define themselves as being.
Find a rock station and you will hear Ted Nugent’s "Stranglehold" but I will bet you will never hear Ted’s "Queen Of The Forest." In the OLD TV show "WKRP in Cincinnati" when "Johnny Fever" was told in the middle of some elevator music song that he could change the format and play rock the very first song played was Ted Nugent’s "Queen of the Forest" so you know it had to be hot at the time and really rockin’ since that was what the new format was supposed to be for the station so they picked a really rockin’ song for the first to be played but I doubt that anyone here had heard it on the radio for a decade or more, maybe two decades or more.
Sadly if you buy the old "WKRP in Cincinnati" on DVD you won’t hear "Queen of the Forest" or most other songs that the station played because when the show was made they did not buy the rights to use them if transferred to another media and when the DVD’s were going to be made the makers would not pay for the rights to use the songs again so a whole bunch of great tunes were taken out and cheaper or public domain songs replaced them on the DVD’s. It doesn’t work with many of the jokes and it just doesn’t fit the show and the story line of the show so if any of you are fans of the old show don’t waste your money on the DVD’s because you will be disappointed.
But again it points out how a once really hot rockin’ hit is never played on the radio stations of today.

 

[Brick Top]

the only good country is the old country IMO.... Hank Williams Sr., not Jr. I could listen to patsy Cline all day....


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It all comes down to personal taste just like the foods we like the best. My ex-business partner loves the old country music like Hank Sr. but to me its like fingernails on a chalk board.
I don’t know if its more of a case of to each their own or there is no accounting for taste but either way we all like what we like and that is all that matters regardless of what someone else may say is better.

 

[CrackerJax]

I will agree that radio has changed and it has changed for the worst. When I was in high school and younger there were some really great FM channels that had very few commercials and would play a bunch of songs in a row and then some low voiced smooth as honey sounding DJ would just say that was … and then the music would start again and the best part was it was always a mix of different things. Most stations, even rock stations, are basically top hit stations. You may hear Black Sabbath or Ozzy or other great bands but they will only play their biggest hits. I can’t remember the last time I heard "Fairies Wear Boots" or "Mr. Crowley" on the radio but I will hear "Black Sabbath" and "Paranoid" and "Crazy Train" and "No More Tears" etc. often.
Just think about how often you will hear "Freebird" or "Sweet Home Alabama" or "Gimmie Three Steps" but when was the last time you heard "The Needle and the Spoon?"
When was the last time any of you heard Jeff Beck’s "Constipated Duck" or "Cause We Ended as Lovers" or "Freeway Jam?" I’d bet some of you have never heard any of them on the radio.
Radio became to commercialized and to profit oriented and to much under the power or control of their sponsors to play many songs that were good songs and to give us a mix of songs from different bands and instead are top hit stations regardless of what they define themselves as being.
Find a rock station and you will hear Ted Nugent’s "Stranglehold" but I will bet you will never hear Ted’s "Queen Of The Forest." In the OLD TV show "WKRP in Cincinnati" when "Johnny Fever" was told in the middle of some elevator music song that he could change the format and play rock the very first song played was Ted Nugent’s "Queen of the Forest" so you know it had to be hot at the time and really rockin’ since that was what the new format was supposed to be for the station so they picked a really rockin’ song for the first to be played but I doubt that anyone here had heard it on the radio for a decade or more, maybe two decades or more.
Sadly if you buy the old "WKRP in Cincinnati" on DVD you won’t hear "Queen of the Forest" or most other songs that the station played because when the show was made they did not buy the rights to use them if transferred to another media and when the DVD’s were going to be made the makers would not pay for the rights to use the songs again so a whole bunch of great tunes were taken out and cheaper or public domain songs replaced them on the DVD’s. It doesn’t work with many of the jokes and it just doesn’t fit the show and the story line of the show so if any of you are fans of the old show don’t waste your money on the DVD’s because you will be disappointed.
But again it points out how a once really hot rockin’ hit is never played on the radio stations of today.

yah, i agree with you....it has definitely hit the skids compared to the 70's. I guess our parents said the same thing about the 50's
Jeff Beck? Huh? who dat? And that man is still cranking out some terrific music, but he's far beyond needing or wanting a "commercial" hit, don't you think?

It all comes down to personal taste just like the foods we like the best. My ex-business partner loves the old country music like Hank Sr. but to me its like fingernails on a chalk board.
I don’t know if its more of a case of to each their own or there is no accounting for taste but either way we all like what we like and that is all that matters regardless of what someone else may say is better.

I agree 100%....that's why I put in the "IMO" bit




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[chronik4lyfe]

typical old people talk... haha

 

[CrackerJax]

So you are different huh?

You don't have preferences?

I'm glad you have risen above it all....let me just play a little Herb Alpert for yah... (<---that's really old)


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[Brick Top]

Jeff Beck? Huh? who dat? And that man is still cranking out some terrific music, but he's far beyond needing or wanting a "commercial" hit, don't you think?

If Jeff Beck is one thing that is he is not commercial. Sure he&#8217;s made his bucks in life by any guy that would turn down a chance to join The Rolling Stones because he wanted to play his music and play it his way you know isn&#8217;t driven mainly by the desire to build up his bank account. He would have made a lot more money being in The Rolling Stones but that was less important to him than his music was.
He was in some really old super groups and made a major mark on rock and roll in the past but he moved on and took a different route.
One thing that he did that utterly amazed me is when he teamed up with Seal and did "Manic Depression," the Jimi Hendrix tune, for a tribute CD, called "Stone Free," where a number of really good musicians covered Hendrix tunes. All of them except Jeff Back and Seal did their own versions, none had the testicular fortitude to try to duplicate Hendrix but Beck and Seal not only duplicated Hendrix but out did him at his own song.
A little game I like to play is to burn both versions of "Manic Depression" onto a CD and then play them back to back to people who claim to be big Hendrix fans and then ask which was Hendrix and which was the cover. To date not a single person has picked correctly. When I ask them why they picked the one they did most say because the guitar work was better and some say it was the vocals, Seal&#8217;s voice, and say it sounded more like Hendrix. Pink Floyd considered replacing Syd Barrett with Jeff Beck when Barrett became a handful to deal with and Pink Floyd did not have low standards.
It took the two of them together to top Hendrix at one of his own songs but they did it and all I can figure for why people I have played both for and that all have picked the Beck/Seal version to be Hendrix is that in their minds Hendrix was the best so when they hear the better version they just assume it has to be Hendrix.
You have to be one hell of a guitar player for people to listen to you play and Hendrix play back to back and pick you as being the better so that goes a LONG way to tell how fantastic Jeff Beck really is.

 

[Brick Top]

typical old people talk... haha

You will be there one day. Some day you will be telling your grandkids how when you were a child you had to walk five miles to school everyday in the snow barefoot and it was uphill both ways.
That’s just what happens to us old farts and not only will your day come it will come much faster than you expect it to.

 

[tinyTURTLE]

Two words:
Mr. Bungle

 

[chronik4lyfe]

yeah i see myself, .. 30 years down the road thinkin '.. god damn kids these days dont know music worth shit, but eh i still got a long way to go, and im gunna enjoy every step of the way... and when that time comes ima be stubborn as fuck just cause i can hahah

 

[CrackerJax]

yeah i see myself, .. 30 years down the road thinkin '.. god damn kids these days dont know music worth shit, but eh i still got a long way to go, and im gunna enjoy every step of the way... and when that time comes ima be stubborn as fuck just cause i can hahah

It's one of those natural processes in the phases of life.... like walking.... ur doing it but are not aware of it on the conscious level. Everything becomes like your favorite comfortable shoes. Of course bong hits keep everything just ducky when the radio suks....

Here's hoping you make those next 60+ some odd years.... not everybody gets to stay on the conveyor belt of life.


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[chronik4lyfe]

It's one of those natural processes in the phases of life.... like walking.... ur doing it but are not aware of it on the conscious level. Everything becomes like your favorite comfortable shoes. Of course bong hits keep everything just ducky when the radio suks....

Here's hoping you make those next 60+ some odd years.... not everybody gets to stay on the conveyor belt of life.


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i hear ya man, i can already see it happening, emo kids piss me off, but their like the new goth/prep/weirdos.. i almost hope i dont reach the age of 60.. so much stupid shit goin on in the world right now

 

[CrackerJax]

i hear ya man, i can already see it happening, emo kids piss me off, but their like the new goth/prep/weirdos.. i almost hope i dont reach the age of 60.. so much stupid shit goin on in the world right now

At some point you will only like the 50 yard kids. those are kids who are at least 50 yards from you...any closer and you will become agitated ... JK!!!


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[chronik4lyfe]

haha carryin around a 50 yard stick beatin any kids entering the "safe zone"... screamin " god damn whippersnapperes these days, runnin around acting like HOOLIGANS" haha... those would be the prime years...

 

[CrackerJax]

In the future I hope to invent a small portable EMP device....when I shuffle near a pack of kids (youth tend to congregate like used butts in a urinal), I will just hit the button and whuuuumppfffhtsss!!... crash all their gizmos and toys...knock down their grid, and then whip out my EMP protected sound projector(ill invent that too ) and blast them with some Barry Manilow and watch the quick scatter and the slow writhe in agony... muhahahahah!!

And I won't be wearing any under pants either, so don't chase me!!!


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[dannyking]

Simon cowell has murdered any chance of real talent or culture ever being ''popular'' again. Can you imagine the kids of today listening to led zeppelin????